I agree with you: lambdas in
http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=strawman:lambdas look useless
too. They don't have a clearly articulated vision nor compelling use
cases (at least not in the document).
I am for the lambda facility as a short notation for small functional
snippets, but both proposals do nothing for this use case. So far it all
looks like "lambdas are cool --- we can do lambdas too!" kind of exercise.
Thanks,
Eugene
Michael Day wrote:
Hi Eugene,
Is your lambda proposal competing with
http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=strawman:lambdas (gave me by
Brendon)?
It is a different proposal, I think it helps to have more than one
proposal, in order to clearly see the different trade offs involved.
Why would anybody want to use a lambda instead of a function? 2
characters less to type? What is the compelling reason, the super idea
behind the lambda besides confusing programmers, and more things to
implement by compiler writers?
Well, that's a really good question, as lambdas don't sound sufficiently
different to regular functions in this proposal to be worth doing.
The lambda proposal on the wiki gives the following "Why" reasons:
"A simpler primitive underlying the language’s first-class functions."
Removing 'this' and 'arguments' also gives a simpler primitive, but is
it enough to bother with?
"Supports defining other features via desugaring without breaking
equivalence with implicit features (arguments, this, return) — this is
sometimes described as Tennent’s Correspondence Principle [ 1, 2 ]."
Not clear what this means, or what benefit it brings to either
JavaScript programmers or implementors.
"A well-tested feature of programming languages since time immemorial."
JavaScript already has higher-order functions, and much fewer languages
have lambdas where a return returns from the enclosing function.
"Supports tail calls more naturally than function."
I don't see what's unnatural about explicit tail calls in functions.
"Simple, composable features like lambda are useful for other language
features defined via desugaring/compiling other languages to ES/macros"
What do lambdas in the wiki have that lambdas-as-functions-without-this
do not have? They seem to have more complexity, but I can't see how they
are significantly more useful.
Best regards,
Michael
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