Three distinct topics are being mixed up here:

1. Whether to use WebIDL or some unproposed alternative.

2. Whether to use catchall patterns in new WebIDL-defined interfaces.

3. Whether the JS WebIDL bindings should be standardized by Ecma or W3C.

The straw man (0. Whether to remove catchall patterns from existing WebIDL interfaces required for backward compatibility) is nonsense and I'm going to ignore it from here on.

My positions are:

1. WebIDL, the bird in the hand (I agree with Sam: go invent something better, come back when you're done).

2. Don't keep perpetuating catchall patterns, they are confusing for developers and costly for implementors and static analysis tools, even if implementable in some future ES edition.

3. Don't care.

I differ from Mark on 3, but that's ok. What is not ok is to waste a lot of time arguing from divergent premises that need to be unpacked or else let alone for now, when we could be collaborating on concrete issues such as split windows, execution model, catchall policing, etc.

Mark's Joe with his JoeLang bindings for WebIDL vs. Anne's point about the primacy of JavaScript bindings for WebIDL-defined interfaces is not going to lead to rapid agreement on putting the ES WebIDL bindings in Ecma vs. leaving them in W3C. It's a rathole, IMHO.

Both points of view have merit, but precedent and possession matter too, and Ecma can't plausibly fork or steal the binding spec. We're trying to collaborate, so let's get on with that hard work instead of trying to assail one another with principles that can't encompass the whole picture.

Hope this helps,

/be
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