From: Dean Landolt
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 10:17 AM
Unfortunately, we're back to the chicken-and-the-egg... if I could
guarantee that my code was the first to ever run on any page, almost none
of the problems I'm complaining about would be an issue, because I could
just make sandboxed copies of what I needed, and store them privately
inside a closure. Being able to "run-first" is the key component that
isn't true, and if it were true (which is required of "initSES.js"), then
I wouldn't need "initSES.js".
Forgive me if this has come up already and I missed it but wouldn't it be
enough if there were some mechanism to validate the integrity of
Object.prototype by asking the host env for a fresh copy and comparing
identities? Even if the frozen ship has sunk ISTM it ought to be enough to
be able to reliably detect the hijacking. This would probably be best left
to a web platform standards body but wouldn't that be a good place to
inject that kind of unforgeable factory for Object.prototype?
I would definitely support or appreciate a mechanism by which a clean/fresh
copy of Object.prototype could be arrived at, without the hackiness of
either launching an iframe or something like that. That's what my
Object.__prototype__ was kind of getting at, a few messages ago.
I don't think it's enough to just detect that it's bad, if there's no way to
undo the badness and get at the native functionality. But giving us another
parallel interface which IS read-only would be, in my mind, a pretty simple
solution to this problem. Of course, this would need to be true not just for
Object but all the natives, like String, as well.
I'd be in favor of this as a shorter term solution than SES.
--Kyle
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