Thanks for pointing this out. Python's dunder-prefixing or anything like it in JS has that advantage: you can spell the magic property name with a string that works in any frame or global object. Of course strings can collide.

Symbols are useful in spite of this, but it is telling that we want @iterator to be a singleton across all potentially connected frames.

So should there be a way in the language to create singleton symbols? If so, how?

/be

Kevin Smith wrote:
One of the main use cases for symbols is for defining object "protocols" that don't suffer from property name conflicts. The recently discussed `iterator` and `toStringTag` method names fall into this category. The idea is that we can implement the protocol by defining methods using symbols, and thus avoid namespacing considerations.

Designing and maintaining a global namespace is, well, no fun.

But consider the multiple-global case in which we have scripts running in more than one frame. It seems like protocols should be transferrable across frames. For built-in protocols like `iterator`, this has to work:

    function f(iterable) {
      for (x of iterable) {
        // This must work regardless of which frame `iterable` comes from
      }
    }

But what about user-defined protocols? Let's say we have a "Persistable" protocol:

    export var persistName = new Symbol; // unique, not "private"

And a function which makes use of this protocol:

    import persistName from "Persistable.js";

    function usePersistable(obj) {

      if (obj[persistName])
        obj[persistName]();
    }

It seems like `usePersistable` should be able to work as expected even if `obj` comes from a different frame (in which "Persistable.js" was separately loaded).

Another expression of the same problem occurs with versioning.

Suppose that in a fairly complex module dependency graph, "Persistable-0.1.js" and "Persistable-0.2.js" are simultaneously loaded. ("Persistable" is on github and therefore in perpetual version-zero purgatory.) It seems reasonable to expect that objects implementing the protocol defined by "Persistable-0.2.js" should be able to work with functions consuming the "Persistable-0.1.js" protocol. But that is not possible with unique symbols.

In summary, I don't think that we can really avoid global namespacing issues using system-generated unique symbols as we currently conceive of them. Built-in protocols like `iterator` are a special "cheating" case, but we need to have an equally consistent story for user-defined protocols.

Kevin


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