On Dec 26, 2012, at 7:40 PM, Brendan Eich <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Many also believe that hoisting is an excellent feature, not a weirdness.
>
> For functions, I can defend hoisting, although if I had had more time, I
> might have done a let ... in ... or BCPL'ish equivalent form that groups the
> recursive bindings. For vars hoisting is pretty much an implementation
> abstraction leak in JS1 :-P.
I absolutely can defend hoisting. (It's hoisting to *function scope* that's the
issue, not hoisting itself.) Here's the rationale:
- JS is dynamically scoped, so having an implicit dummy value isn't a problem
for the type system.
- It automatically makes forward references work, so you can:
* order your definitions however it best "tells the story of your code," rather
than being forced to topologically sort them by scope dependency
* use (mutual) recursion
- It binds variables without any rightward drift, unlike functional programming
languages.
This is such a simple, practical, and elegant win that Scheme goes halfway
towards the JS hoisting semantics by having nested definitions:
(lambda () ;; function() {
(define (f) (g)) ;; let f = function() { return g() }
(define (g) (f)) ;; let g = function() { return f() }
(f)) ;; return f() }
and last I heard, Racket in fact has gone the rest of the way -- it's moved
*towards* the hoisting semantics by allowing definitions (i.e., declarations)
and expressions to intermingle:
(lambda () ;; function () {
(define (f) (g)) ;; let f = function() { return g() }
(printf "hello world~n") ;; console.log("hello world");
(define (g) (f)) ;; let g = function() { return f() }
(f)) ;; return f() }
Yes, that's right, JS beat those hoity-toity Schemers to it by over a decade!
And in fact, the initial binding of a variable in Racket is the #<undefined>
value! Sound familiar? :)
To be fair, I haven't kept up with the changes in Racket in recent years, so I
don't know if there are some cases where it does a dynamic error instead of
returning #<undefined>. But my point here is just that JS isn't alone in doing
hoisting. It's actually a very sensible design -- it falls out naturally in a
non-lazy, dynamically typed language with any kind of mutually recursive
bindings.
Dave
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