Norbert Lindenberg wrote:
On Jul 17, 2013, at 17:27 , Mark S. Miller<[email protected]>  wrote:

This is unfortunate. It does answer Anne's question though, in an unpleasant 
way: Date instances cannot be immutable; they can be at best readonly. Despite 
lack of any authorization to track the user's position, Date instances make 
visible their machine's mutable current position, as coarsened to the timezone.

Just as a Date instance snapshots the time when it was created, I think it 
should also snapshot the timezone where it was created. Then it would be 
possible to contemplate immutable Date instances. Only the Date constructor 
should give the ability to sense changes to time and place, not the instances 
it makes. Virtualizing the Date constructor (replacing it with a faux Date 
constructor) should be adequate to create illusory paths through time and 
space, without needing to wrap all the instances it creates with faux Date 
instances.

If you want to lock down the behavior of getTimezoneOffset, or create illusory 
behavior,

Mark wants to do this from JS, not from under the hood (usually via C++) using VM internal APIs.

  you don't need to do anything to Date instances - all you need to do is 
change the implementation of LocalTZA and DaylightSavingTA.

Those are spec-internal helper functions, analogous to hidden-from-JS-"user-code" VM internal functions.

On the other hand, the behavior in Firefox was made more dynamic under the 
assumption that users prefer to see date and time information in their current 
time zone, not in the time zone they were in when they launched their browser.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796523

Right. People travel. DST happens (too early these days in the US!) and ends.

/be
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