On Jul 17, 2013, at 20:35 , Brendan Eich <[email protected]> wrote:

> Norbert Lindenberg wrote:
>> On Jul 17, 2013, at 17:27 , Mark S. Miller<[email protected]>  wrote:
>> 
>>> This is unfortunate. It does answer Anne's question though, in an 
>>> unpleasant way: Date instances cannot be immutable; they can be at best 
>>> readonly. Despite lack of any authorization to track the user's position, 
>>> Date instances make visible their machine's mutable current position, as 
>>> coarsened to the timezone.
>>> 
>>> Just as a Date instance snapshots the time when it was created, I think it 
>>> should also snapshot the timezone where it was created. Then it would be 
>>> possible to contemplate immutable Date instances. Only the Date constructor 
>>> should give the ability to sense changes to time and place, not the 
>>> instances it makes. Virtualizing the Date constructor (replacing it with a 
>>> faux Date constructor) should be adequate to create illusory paths through 
>>> time and space, without needing to wrap all the instances it creates with 
>>> faux Date instances.
>> 
>> If you want to lock down the behavior of getTimezoneOffset, or create 
>> illusory behavior,
> 
> Mark wants to do this from JS, not from under the hood (usually via C++) 
> using VM internal APIs.

Sorry, I missed that bit.

In that case, you'd have to replace the Date function and all Date methods that 
depend on the local time zone: Date as a function; the Date constructor for 2 
or more arguments; parse; toString & friends; getFullYear, getMonth, and their 
non-UTC friends; getTimezoneOffset, setMilliseconds, setSeconds, and their 
non-UTC friends. That's a lot more work, but it still doesn't affect Date 
instances directly.

Norbert

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