On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Tom Van Cutsem wrote:

> 2013/9/19 Brendan Eich <[email protected]>
> Refactoring [[Get]]+[[Call]] to [[Get]]+[[Invoke]] seems fine by me. It 
> better expresses the intent, and the change should only be observable to 
> proxies.
> 
> Is this so? Wouldn't an ordinary object with a getter be able to observe the 
> two lookups? Indeed wouldn't the spec require this?
> 
> You're right. The change would lead to observably different behavior for 
> conditionally invoked getters.
> 
> Not sure how much of a backwards compat issue that would be. Allen previously 
> wrote upstream in this thread:
> 
> There are currently 6 such places (not counting the Proxy trap invocators):
> 3 in ToPrimitive (ie toSrting/valueOf)
> 1 in instanceof to access @@hasInstance (legacy conpat. for missing 
> @@hasInstance)
> 1 in [ ].toString to conditionally invoke 'join' method
> 1 in JSON.stringify conditionally invoke 'toJSON'
> 
> How likely is it that these are getters with side-effects?

Seems very unlikely.  The @@hasInstance access is new so it isn't a backwards 
compat issue.   BTW, these are static counts. For example, a typical call to 
ToPrimitive will only make a single such conditional invoke.

Arguably allowing a String or Number wrapper to be transparently proxied and 
hence work like a unproxied wrapper WRT ToPrimitive is one the reasons we need 
to do this.

Allen

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