On 1/30/15 1:44 AM, Andrea Giammarchi wrote:
Developers have to understand they cannot `new HTMLDivElement()` anyway

That will change.

I am not sure why you see this misalignment that has always been there a
problem just now

I've seen it as a problem for a while now, as a cursory look at mailing list archives will tell you.

but also I am not sure I understand why this wouldn't
be equivalent:

Do you also not understand why ES6 needed to grow enough primitives to explain "host objects" and so forth?

Basically, the fact that we have two somewhat but not quite different things going on is going to be confusing to people, so if we can align them we should.

You have already properties and types nobody can set or ensure in native
JS

You can implement the equivalent in native JS nowadays (except for document.all). That's been the point of a lot of the recent evolution of JS. And while the integration between the two is not perfect yet, once of the goals of the ES6 class work has been to improve said integration.

... and I would never stop a programming language from evolving
because "another one" (that' how I see WebIDL) is limited or
historically different ... I mean, it is different, it has always been,
why is this a concern only today?

_THIS_ is one of the big problems I see with how the web platform is developed. Some people view it as multiple independent fiefs to be developed independently, as opposed to a single coherent platform.

Genuinely curious, but non enumerable for JS classes is **good** and I
believe it should not be re-changed.

Did I suggest it should be re-changed? Did you even read anything I wrote in this thread? Please go and do so.

-Boris

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