Brandon Andrews wrote:
I was looking at the most recent notes. https://esdiscuss.org/notes/2015-05-27
One thing stuck out to me is that ECMA uses GitHub a lot. There was a line that
caught my attention:
?: What needs to live on the ECMA GitHub?
Waldemar Horwat/Allen Wirfs-Brock: Any contributions need to be in some format
that ECMA can archive, for legal, librarian, and historical needs — imagine
someone needing to track down the history of some contributions 15 years from
now. For individual documents (pdfs, etc.) the simplest way is to send them via
the ECMA reflector. ECMA keeps an archive of those forever. For ongoing things
use an ECMA-sanctioned repository such as ECMA's GitHub.
The line "ECMA-sanctioned repository such as ECMA's GitHub" makes it sound like
GitHub is relatively trusted as an archival system.
Personal note: If you must kill es-discuss and move it, move it to
medium that is not political, that is, not to github. Github has
recently made a move that pushes me to leave it as soon as I find
suitable alternative. It shouldn't be that everything is in github,
because github will then have too much power, and it is unable to resist
the urge to abuse it. In the similar vein, you cannot automatically
assume everyone has / can create account on github. Some have reasons
not to github.
But just recently there was a thread on moving it from ML format to
forum format, and the result was, for the moment, not moving it.
I know many people here probably love mailing lists, but I've never much cared for them.
They're often riddled with mistakes and formatting errors that can never really be fixed.
People also reply wrong for instance fragmenting discussions. This can hurt discussion.
Also some people have problems replying to them or simply don't feel comfortable using
them. I've pointed people here to view and gotten replies like "I don't have time to
use a mailing list." The https://esdiscuss.org/ page I think helps, but it has its
own issues. Most people don't know it uses the GitHub styling so it garbles a lot of
things from its plaintext version. Also, as I figured out finally, only moderators can
edit their own posts which means editing to try to clean things up is impossible.
So my proposal is for TC39 to create an esdiscuss project at
https://github.com/tc39. So people would just go to
https://github.com/tc39/esdiscuss. Then using their GitHub account they could
easily login and post issues and comments without having to subscribe or figure
out how to use mailing lists with their email client. GitHub's issue tracker
offers many nice features also that mailing lists lack. You can have labels
which is amazing for archiving. It's also very easy to search. Users can also
edit their posts and past code examples trivially into their comments so
comments and replies flow smoothly. As an example look at
https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn/labels/Area-Language%20Design. That's a link
to all the language design proposals and discussions for Roslyn.
Also from what I can tell there's no country that currently blocks GitHub. At
one point Russia, China, and India blocked the site, but from what I'm reading
they no longer block it. In the future that might not always be the case.
That's the biggest downside I can think of that would be a potential issue.
I see using GitHub's issue tracker as a way of encouraging more discussion
also. Pretty much every Javascript developer has a GitHub account for working
with various Node.JS projects so they'd probably be more receptive following
and joining in on the discussion. GitHub also has a very easy to use moderation
system so it's easy to correct small formatting errors and titles to make
searching simple and terminology consistent. It's also easy to see which topics
are active and which are done being discussed.
Is there any support for something like this?
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