Nicolas Roard wrote:
Le 27 mai 05 à 11:19, David Chisnall a écrit :

Has anyone noticed how much scroll-bars suck? They are not bad as a display component, and they are okay if you want to scroll approximately, by a line, or by a page (as long as you are not near the end of a large document), but for anything else they are really painful.

It's not that scrollbars per se suck. It's the implementation you're working with. The issue you seem to have is with the behaviour in specific instances which could be improved.

A scrollbar can reasonably be used to scroll a view by one pixel. Perfect for fine scrolling. I'd ask, though, why you would need to scroll by such a small amount?

Can we come up with something better? The thing where scroll bars really fall down is the ability to scroll an arbitrary (smallish) amount accurately. I would propose (as a first approximation) placing a dial at one end of the scroll bar (perhaps replacing the arrows, perhaps in addition), which could be dragged in a circular motion for fined grained positioning of the scroller. This would eliminate the digital nature of the buttons.

Circular mouse movements are typically harder to control for most people. Dials also don't make a whole lot of sense to many users because you "rotate" a dial in the real world but you can't meaningfully "rotate" a mouse.

From memory both Tog and Raskin have written about dials so I refer you to them for the finer details of the debate.


Regards,
Sheldon

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