Hey,
On 2011-02-13, at 4:38 AM, David Chisnall wrote:
> On 13 Feb 2011, at 11:30, Quentin Mathé wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think we should change the homepage to stop advertising the 0.4.1 release.
>> Any suggestions of what should replace until 0.4.2 release cycle starts?
>> Well we could have something like "0.4.2 coming soon"…
>
> Sounds good. Probably mention that 4.2 will be piecemeal, so we will be
> releasing EtoileFoundation Real Soon Now (i.e. as soon as you're ready), and
> then other bits shortly after.
>
On the front page, we could just use
http://etoileos.com/images/features/main3.png for now.
Also, I'd like to take of the "Making computers suck less" title and change it
to "Project Goals" if that is okay with you guys. (I know I was the one who put
it on there in the first place.. but it sounds a bit lame to me now ;-)
>> We don't really support thhe 0.4.1 release currently and it isn't documented
>> in its INSTALL which LLVM version it requires. LanguageKit 0.4.1 probably
>> doesn't compile a recent LLVM svn trunk or release. I'm not sure either that
>> 0.4.1 compiles correctly with GNUstep trunk.
>
> I think it works with LLVM 2.7, but there are a number of ObjC bugs in clang
> for that release, so compiling the system with that LLVM is a bit painful.
>> Another thing I'd like to have is a "sticker" telling clearly that Étoilé is
>> a development environment and not a desktop environment currently. If you
>> download it, you will get a bunch of frameworks but no pretty menus, icons
>> etc.
>
> Yup, although it would be good not to downplay the desktop too much - it's
> still the goal, just not the current state.
I agree with both points. The front page blurb under "making computers sucks
less" still does a good job of explaining the goal IMHO (maybe it could be a
bit more specific though.)
Based on mail from people in the past year, we're misleading people in to
thinking Étoilé is more complete than it actually is though, so I think a
"sticker" saying it's still in a framework state is a good idea.
>
>> And that we won't deliver a desktop environment before a year or so.
>> Should we put this sticker on the homepage or on the main page aka
>> http://etoileos.com/etoile/ ? Should we duplicate these infos on the
>> Downloads page?
>
> No one ever goes to the /etoile page. I expect the Étoilé link at the top of
> the page to take me back to the front page, and I'm surprised when it doesn't.
This is a bad..
I suggest we rename the "Étoilé" button on the top nav bar to "Overview", since
that's the page's title. Would that be clearer?
>> What should do about the screenshots which gives a false impression that
>> there is a full desktop environment you can download? Remove them? Add a
>> note in the sidebar?
>
> Probably add some notes, maybe remove them because ProjectManager now looks
> quite different to those old screenshots.
I would remove the screenshots, because to actually build that environment
today would be a huge pain. I think it contributes to confusion about Étoilé's
current status.
We could show a screenshot of Narcissus, maybe. I haven't worked on it in a
year or so but it's semi complete..
>> I'm also in favor of removing the Camaelon mention on the main page. Should
>> we replace it by something like a short 'Look & Feel' paragraph?
>
> Yup. Maybe keep a paragraph about Camaelon and say that that the code is now
> merged back into GNUstep.
>
>> For the Downloads page, should we continue to mention 'stable' with a line
>> stating its currently a frozen state? We can just remove it, until we
>> restore the stable-based development model.
>
> No one has touched /stable for ages, so let's just delete it.
>
>> Can I remove all 0.4.1 download links and install documentation on the
>> Downloads page? Or do we want to keep at least a link for the record (like
>> our release history)?
>
> Keep a link and say UNSUPPORTED!!!1111eleventyone in big letters after it.
>
I agree with these points.
>> Any other comments or things to suggest?
>
> The open projects page is quite out-of-date now. Maybe we could update some
> things related to bringing the ObjectMerging branch into trunk (what's still
> to do?)
>
Yeah, it's out of date - a lot of those need to be removed.
Regarding ObjectMerging.. it's quite far from being moved to trunk. In my
branch I have a series of sketch implementations, but I'm still working out
some design ideas and will need to write more prototypes.
Also, I'm happy to make the many small website changes I suggested if they
sound OK.
Cheers,
Eric
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