(Note, I tried to post this in Nabble, but it has been pending, so I
am trying again by sending it here... please excuse the duplicate...)

Hello all!

Pardon me for a long email... but I want to introduce myself..

I have recently re-entered the *nix world. I left it back when Curses
was considered a GUI , so it's been awhile. I am a rusty Unix/C
programmer.

I am working on a new project and I did some research that lead me to
GNUStep, and then to you here at Etoile. I like the concepts of
GNUStep -- but it looks about 100 years old right now, so I am very
interested in your work here.

Also, interestingly enough, the project I want to work on has a place
for both a Linux Appliance, and an external app running on the
OpenMoko Neo1973 - so I was relieved to also see the
QuantumSTEP/mySTEP project.

My background (until recently) was working for Expert Systems/ruels
companies. I have this dream of creating an incredibly simply
interface to a rules language to enable a neophyte to string together
and configure computer controlled instruments and gadgets. Sort of
like taking the idea of Skinning an application, Or themeing a
desktop, and applying this to a home... or a car. Put together the
output of one device (i.e. the gas gauge of a car) with the input of
another device (i.e. the GPS of your car to find the nearest gas
station) and create automated rules to make life better. The idea of
the rules system would be "Legos and Logic". Click two things
together, build a simple rule, and presto! new functionality.

Anyway, there is so much work on the back end of this, that I really
don't want to be  building a great GUI and framework -- I would like
to leverage GNUStep and Etoile for most of that work.

I am not sure I have the C programming background to contribute to
your work... but maybe as I get my C-Legs back under me I can help
with some things.

To be honest, I am probably going to be more of a user of your great
work than a contributor. I would be happy to do what I can though to
help spread the word. I enjoy doing things like writing tutorials and
the like. So, maybe I can best help out there.

So... that's a little about me.. now I have a question: Where do I start???

Am I best off just doing my work in GNUStep right now? Or should I
download and try to use Etiole in its current state?

I am not really sure how to even do that. I would like to at least add
Camaelon to and WildMenus to GNUStep -- but again, I am not sure how
to do that either. (I see them listed in my Synaptic Project
manager... but not sure how to implement them... is there a doc
somewhere?)

I am running UBUNTU right now, with GNOME. I have Window Maker
installed, and can boot it -- but I really hate running Window
Maker... I have discovered that I can MOSTLY run Gorm and GNUSTEP
while still in GNOME. Sometimes weird things happen...  But it is what
I am doing right now.

Any suggestions about where I should start?

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