Hi,

Le 12 mai 2010 à 06:18, Sándor a écrit :

> I have  problem building a working Etoile form source.
> For specific problems I can usually find the answer on the Web. The  
> general
> problem is that the release version is too old. Does not build with  
> the newer
> releases of GNUstep.

Yes, the last released version is quite old now and the next version  
release date is still uncertain.
Given the current codebase is really much a moving target and we also  
lack the manpower to maintain both stable and trunk currently, we plan  
to limit the next release to a small subset of trunk modules. Probably  
EtoileFoundation, LanguageKit and EtoileUI.
We initially expected to be able to target the latest GNUstep  
releases, but in the end we hadn't enough time to make all the  
necessary changes in GNUstep Gui and Back (mainly for EtoileUI and the  
theming support).

> This leaves the trunk or stable version of SVN.
> But the GNUStep and  Etoile (sometimes the llvm) are moving target.  
> Allmost
> all the time they are out of sync. I could checkout the GNUSTEP and  
> Etoile
> almost at the same time and Etoile will be not compatible with the  
> GNUstep
> svn.

I agree that the situation has been pretty bad in the recent months.  
Since we depend on many unstable things such as libobjc2, LLVM/Clang  
and GNUstep, it's going to be hard to improve the situation until we  
rather depend on release versions. But that's our current goal. I'd  
like to achieve that around this summer with the next GNUstep release.

> It would be nice if Etoile would provide weekly snapshots of the  
> stable svn.
> which snapshot the developers successfully built, and and with the  
> same
> snapshot provide the gnustep source with which they used for the  
> actual build.
> This source either can be provided in a download format or with  
> instruction in
> the INSTALL file how to get exactly the right revision from SVN .

As explained previously, stable development is currently frozen. We  
might do what you suggest with trunk though

The best would be to have an automated build system doing daily ou  
hourly builds of GNUstep/Étoilé (+ daily builds of LLVM/Clang) and  
running all the test suites. If the results were published on a web  
page, it would be easy for people to check what is the last stable  
combination of the various projects.
I have been planning to set up something like that for months, but the  
main problem is that I lack a machine to install that. Even if I had  
one, I wouldn't able to keep it running all the time, so the best  
would be to use some remote machine. If someone could provide us  
access to a remote system where we could run automated builds, that  
would be really helpful :-)

> P.S. I actually got once GNUSTEP and Etoile in sync enough to build  
> Etoile.
> Most Etoile applications were working, but got segmentation fault
> etoile_system.
> Did and svn update on both gnustep and Etoile. Could not build  
> again. :-(

I'm going to take a look at these issues.
The build was broken for me yesterday because of Clang was emitting  
warnings I didn't get previously.

As a side note, I just updated INSTALL to include detailed  
instructions about building LLVM/Clang/libobjc2/GNUstep in addition to  
Étoilé: http://etoileos.com/downloads/installtrunk/
I'm going to improve the formatting a bit. However it is the proof  
that building Étoilé is at this time is not exactly an easy thing :-/

Cheers,
Quentin.


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