a check/balance of that kind would ruin the system that humans have built up
over all these millenia. said system is ingrained in us from childhood and
may very well have replaced certain of our instincts. much as i hate to
admit it, the "secret government" may very well exist. the problem is, i
think our consciousness is creating it for us. even our "rulers" are
subject to it.
by living in this "society" you are contributing to it. however, if you
remove yourself from the society, you can do nothing against it (save kill
everybody, and what would that solve? oh wait, i already answered that...)
your consciousness is contributing to the "leadership" that we, as humans,
have established. to break out of this mould, we need to change our ENTIRE
way of thinking. whether or not you "consume" does not matter. what
matters is how you think and whether or not you take action based upon your
thoughts.
also, what's good for one is not good for all. that is why the LUG is
proposing to help free Dmitry. if what was good for Adobe was good for
everyone, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
the "myth" of competition between the 5% and the 10% over the 85% isn't a
myth. it's a fact (at least, in my little pea-brain...)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Howe [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:40 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [EUG-LUG:1695] Re: Free Dmitry Sklyarov - Fight DMCA
>
> Hmm... I just wish there was some sort of check/balance that kept the 99%
> of us who don't have political and business clout from being the victims.
> They tell us what they want us to think, and we are their slaves. "Watch
> this sporting event and buy these shoes!" "Yes master..." "This is cool
> and this is not!" "Yes master..." "Isn't Brittany Spears the Bomb? Say
> yes!" "Yes.."
>
> We're not citizens, were consumers - A revenue stream. And don't believe
> the myth of competition. In the current setting, what's good for one is
> good for all. We are the product (an audience) that is sold to their
> supporters. They need to keep us buying and obeying for their system to
> work.
>
> Tim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Justin Bengtson
> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:27 PM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: [EUG-LUG:1692] Re: Free Dmitry Sklyarov - Fight DMCA
> >
> >
> > tim,
> >
> > i prefer to think i am a realist, but i'm probably just a
> > fatalist. i don't
> > believe in the system. were i to have enough money, i would
> > purchase an old
> > nuclear warhead from whomever would sell it and set it off
> > in... oh crap,
> > too many targets... let's pick washington DC for now. so we
> > bring down the
> > government. who's next? the religious right? the media?
> > micro$quish?
> > c'mon. that's the real problem with fighting "oppression."
> > anything you
> > look at could be considered "oppression." the fact that i
> > have to dress
> > nicely and not swear in my office could be considered "oppression."
> >
> > in my mind, when humans became "civilized" and converted from
> > hunter-gatherers to an agricultural society was the point
> > where we began to
> > fail as a species. the struggle between the 5% and the 10%
> > over the 85% has
> > been going on forever. and don't forget : once the five percent have
> > brought down the 10%, they will inevitably become the 10%
> > themselves. it's
> > a vicious cycle that will probably never end. humans have
> > always sought
> > power over other humans. simply by "fighting oppression", you have
> > committed yourself to a course of action that will put you,
> > or someone you
> > would prefer, in power.
> >
> > people have always had laws. the apes, birds... hell, even
> > insects have
> > laws they follow. when you want to change those laws, you do
> > either of two
> > things : leave the nest or start a revolt. and what happens
> > when you change
> > those laws? someone else decides they don't like them and
> > you find yourself
> > in the same position the previous rulers were in.
> >
> > i'm all for talking to congressmen, starting revolts, etc...
> > but what does
> > it accomplish in the end? nothing. nature abhores a
> > vaccumn. just like
> > politics. i do have a solution, however : kill off 99.9% of
> > the human race
> > and start over. and i don't expect to be a survivor.
> >
> > in real response to your mail, all i have to say is that
> > americans have got
> > to be the laziest sons of bitches on the planet. what we
> > really need to
> > affect some change around here is something serious enough to
> > get everyone
> > off their asses and do something about it. hmmm, as i look
> > to the horizon
> > of time, i see something coming quite soon. perhaps in the
> > next ten years
> > or so. i'll bide my time and keep my pistol close to my heart.
> >
> > now, jacob had a good idea while i was going off on this
> > tirade, and i think
> > i'm going to take him up on it. i have an old pentium with
> > enough RAM to
> > run a web server, a fast internet connection and a domain
> > name. the world
> > is mine. the real question becomes : who's listening and do
> > they care?
> >
> > disclaimer : these views belong to me and i don't care what
> > you think of
> > them. they are not targeted at any members of the LUG or
> > intended to insult
> > said members. just voicing my opinion.
> >
> > you know how you like your morning coffee tim? i think i
> > need more mountain
> > dew. it's been a hell of a day.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tim Howe [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:30 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [EUG-LUG:1689] Re: Free Dmitry Sklyarov - Fight DMCA
> > >
> > > That's what they want you to think. In fact, many people in many
> > > countries
> > > fight oppression every day. Our government is just better
> > at making us
> > > feel
> > > useless than most. Hell, Russia and China are changing
> > because the people
> > > wanted change. We can't even put a president in the white house by
> > > popular
> > > vote. In any other country, there would be riots in the
> > streets, but in
> > > America, we just Baaa and go about our lives.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > > > Justin Bengtson
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:15 PM
> > > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > > Subject: [EUG-LUG:1686] Re: Free Dmitry Sklyarov - Fight DMCA
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > wow... EUGLUG 1984.
> > > >
> > > > the more you think about it, the more you realize you can't
> > > > do anything
> > > > about it.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jacob Meuser [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 3:18 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: [EUG-LUG:1685] Re: Free Dmitry Sklyarov
> > - Fight DMCA
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2001 at 01:11:10PM -0700, Tim Howe wrote:
> > > > > > I hope you are right. The current attitude in this
> > country that
> > > > > whatever a
> > > > > > large corporation says is law scares the shit out of me...
> > > > > >
> > > > > I think you can trace this back to the 1920's and in
> > particular the
> > > > > Sect. of the Treas. at the time, Andrew Melon. I can't
> > remember the
> > > > > exact quote, but it goes something like this:
> > > > > "The only true Americans are the industrial barons. They
> > > > are the ones
> > > > > who have worked hard to make America what is is."
> > > > >
> > > > > Other interesting notes on Andrew Melon:
> > > > > He was the banker for du Pont, one of the first
> > > > corporations in Ameirica.
> > > > > The du Ponts made most of their money selling muntitions.
> > > > (Their highest
> > > > > profit margins of all time were during the Civil War.)
> > > > >
> > > > > He was responsible for what are known today as the FBI
> > and the DEA.
> > > > >
> > > > > He was one of, if not THE wealthiest person in America
> > > > when he was the
> > > > > Treasury Secretary.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry for the history bit. I just wanted point out
> > that corruption
> > > > > is nothing new, and the US Gov't is VERY unwilling to
> > admit that any
> > > > > mistakes were ever made.
> > > > >
> > > > > > We have the most gullible and sheepish intellectual
> > > > middle class in the
> > > > > > world.
> > > > > >
> > > > > What do you expect, when our schools don't teach us to
> > think, but to
> > > > > repeat "The Truth". I find it amusing that Plato was
> > > > mentioned in this
> > > > > discussion. He said that to rule effectively, you had
> > to propogate
> > > > > a "Golden Myth", a story (read LIE) that people would
> > > > believe, so that
> > > > > they would happily go about their lives, and not cause
> > > > problems (read
> > > > > THINK FOR THEMSELVES). In America, we have the Myth of
> > Celebrity,
> > > > > the Myth of Wealth, and the ultra hippocritical Myth of
> > > > Family Values.
> > > > >
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >
> >
