"cool thing to spray paint" *xlaugh* yeah, I know what you mean. Thats why I describe myself politically as a Tribalist. --Christopher On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 10:29:29AM -0700, Justin Bengtson wrote: > would that be _voluntary_ "loss of faith"? > > volunteering is pretty cool, but as i see "anarchism", it allows you to > simply drop in and out of projects as you see fit. this creates confusion > and disorder. > > cooperation requires some sort of order. order requires laws. there must > be some way to keep said order. > > i also see "laws" as social behavior patterns. we each act by our mores and > social upbringing. "a form of society without laws or government", to me, > can only be practiced by one's self, because cooperation requires laws of a > social nature related to how one acts. > > further, according to definition 3, "proposes the cooperative and voluntary > association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized > society." note : ORGANIZED SOCIETY, which is the opposite of definition 4, > "chaos; confusion; disorder" > > i'm not saying "anarchy" is a bad way to live, i'm just saying they need a > better word to describe it. as i see it, the only good reason to call it > "anarchy" is so "anarchists" have something cool to spray-paint when they > tag... > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Maujean [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [EUG-LUG:2333] RE: anarchist conventionalism > > > > *big grin* > > note the _voluntary_ part of def#4 and it makes more sense when describing > anarchism. at least as I see anarchism. > > Seth, > please create a > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > mailing list. > > > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 09:05:25AM -0700, Justin Bengtson wrote: > > unaware of definition 3, certainly not looking for an argument, very aware > > of definition 1 and 4. > > > > definition 3 doesn't make sense... matter of fact, it's almost the > opposite > > of definition 4. (now i am cruising for an argument...) but you know > what? > > let's just drop it. you keep your views and i'll keep mine. we can both > > feel enlightened by our "knowledge" and inside we can both "know" that the > > other is wrong. cool? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:13 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [EUG-LUG:2320] RE: anarchist conventionalism > > > > > > Justin Bengtson wrote: > > > > > no sarcasm here. read the definition of anarchy in a respectable > > > dictionary. anarchy is best practiced by one's self. cooperation is > > > anathema to anarchy. unless, of course, the definition of anarchy has > > > suddenly changed on me... > > > > Looks like it has. I quote the Random House Unabridged, 2nd Edition, > > copyright 1993, 1987: > > > > an.ar.chy ([pronunciation omitted for ASCII reasons]), n. > > > > 1. a state of society without government or law. > > > > 2. political and social disorder due to the absense of > > governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a > > year of anarchy. > > > > 3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct of coercive > > government as a political ideal and that proposes the > > cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and > > groups as the principal mode of organized society. > > > > 4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy > > followed his loss of faith. > > > > [1530-40; ( < MF anarchie or ML anarchia) < Gk, anarchia > > lawlessness, lit. lack of a leader, equiv. to anarch(os) > > leaderless (a- AN-[1] + arch(os) leader + os adj suffix) + > > -ia -y[3]] > > > > So either you were unaware of definition 3, or you're looking > > for an argument. You might also be thinking that cooperation > > somehow requires government... > > > > In other news, here's my eug-lug code. I haven't seen anybody > > else brave enough to post theirs yet... > > > > S++ v+ e++ eug++ bsd+ gnu++ Spfd- OCF+++ G9--- D++ BGOL2 efn? > > freak++ anarchy- micros~1! > > > > -- > > Bob Miller K<bob> > > kbobsoft software consulting > > http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Christopher Maujean > IT Director > Premierelink Communications > www.premierelink.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > PLEASE encrypt all sensitive information using the following: > GnuPG: 0x5DE74D38 > Fingerprint: 91D4 09FE 18D0 27C1 A857 0E45 F8A4 7858 5DE7 4D38 > > http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5DE74D38 -- Christopher Maujean IT Director Premierelink Communications www.premierelink.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] PLEASE encrypt all sensitive information using the following: GnuPG: 0x5DE74D38 Fingerprint: 91D4 09FE 18D0 27C1 A857 0E45 F8A4 7858 5DE7 4D38 http://blackhole.pca.dfn.de:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5DE74D38
