Hi, Mike, see below.
> From: Mike Furgal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:55:56 -0500 (CDT)
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: I PROTEST YOUR VIOLATION OF MYSQL GPL
>
>
> Dennis:
>
> Thank you for your email. I'd like to respond to you so you are
> clear about MySQL AB, Nusphere, and mySQL.org.
>
>
>> I'm not a great believer in the open source revolution. I think Eric
>
> I am a believe in Open Source technology. It has been
> proven that community built software is superior to
> proprietary software (Linux is a great example).
Well, good for you, but what you believe is irrelevant to the issue at hand,
isn't it?
>>
>> I also think OPEN SOURCE tools like Linux and MySQL benefit all of mankind
>> and are too important to be allowed to become private property.
>
> I agree 100% with this statement. This is exactly why mySQL.org
> exists.
I doubt it. Your site exists to promote NuSphere by promoting MySQL. If you
think otherwise, may I suggest you are naive? Only a thought. I am not
trying to tick you off. I appreciate your determined and lengthy reply.
> Recently MySQL AB (The creators of the MySQL database)
> aquired Venture Funding to grow their company. In addition
What is the point, please? So what. Good for them. A little dirty little
doubt to keep them going. They've made a great contribution to the so-called
open source "community". Why shouldn't they?
> they have made a great push in trying to get people to buy
> commercial licenses of their product. I have no problem with
They've had that in their licensing scheme since the get go. They did the
work. They can do what they want.
> either of these decisions for any company that deals with
> propriatery software, but this goes against the spirit of
> Open Source development.
So what. All "open source" software is ultimately funded by commercial
interests of one sort or another, and there is nothing wrong with that
provided those interests are detached (e.g., an author of "open source" code
has a job that makes his free coding activity possible) or overt (RedHat
makes money selling GNU/Linux/Apache/etc distributions available on CDROM).
You have a lot of nerve saying MySQL AB shouldn't try to profit from their
code. It hasn't stopped your employer from selling it.
> In addition, MySQL AB will not allow the community to contribute
> to the product they deliver unless the copyright of the code is
> signed over to MySQL AB. By maintaining the copyrights to all
Yes, that probably does have a lot of snot noses in "the community" out of
joint. What do I care? Maybe what MySQL AB should do is make MySQL totally
unavailable except for purchase (something their own licensing scheme
probably prohibits). Those who do the work ought to get the rewards unless
they choose to give it away.
By the way, Mike, are you a volunteer at mysql.org? How would you feel if
your paycheck failed to show up on time?
> the code in the MySQL server they have the right to sell a
> commericial license on the code. Again this is not how Open
> Source Software is supposed to be developed.
Who handed down the "supposed to be" carved in stone. Don't you think the
people at MySQL AB have to eat? What about little My? (Well, she's probably
not so little any more.)
>>
>> NuSphere's recruitment of developers to "help make MySQL great" under the
>> fraudulent flag of mySQL.org is disgraceful. Indeed, YOU may well find
>
> NuSphere is not recruiting developers to make MySQL great,
That's for sure.
> mySQL.org is. It is true that NuSphere launched mySQL.org,
> but since that launch NuSphere has had little to do with
> mySQL.org.
On the advice of their Attorney, no doubt.
> mySQL.org is a non-profit organization made up
> of people from several different companies (NuSphere being
> one of them).
Wait a minute. Who is your employer? What do you mean "from several
different companies"? Did they leave their jobs to come to work for
mysql.org or are they volunteers still on the payroll of their original
employers? If it's the latter or anything close to it, your "non-profit" tax
status is fraudulent and ought to be examined by the IRS.
> It is true that I am a NuSphere employee,
Oh, my God. Where's my whistle ...
> but I am just one of the many people involved in the mySQL
> organization. I work on mySQL.org related issues on my
> time not on NuSphere's time.
Ah, you work all day at NuSphere, for which you get paid, and when you go
home you work all night for mySQL.org, for which you don't get paid. What
would happen to your day job if you let it be know that you didn't want to
work all night for nothing on mySQL.org. Would you be shunned as being anti
open source community? What would happen to your day job if you developed
good sense and told sleaze bags that run NuSphere your Ethics Violation
Warning Lights were blinking and you refused to work for free on the
mySQL.org. E-mail me on your wireless PDA from the unemployment line.
Mike, does the world need another non-profit organization, especially a
patently bogus commercial interest shill non-profit organization?
# whois mysql.org
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�Registrant:
NuSphere Corporation (MYSQL8-DOM)
14 Oak Park
Bedford, MA 01730
US
Domain Name: MYSQL.ORG
Administrative Contact:
Markman, Peter (PMN366) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NuSphere Corporation
14 Oak Park
Bedford, MA 01730
US
(781) 280-4000 (781) 280-4035
Technical Contact:
Goulet, Denis (DGM500) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NuSphere Corporation
14 Oak Park
Bedford, MA 01730
US
(781) 280-4000 (781) 280-4035
Billing Contact:
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>>
What is it that mySQL.org contributes to the open source "community" that
MySQL AB doesn't contribute?
As for NuSphere itself. I think their product (an easy to deploy database
driven web site development environment) is a terrific idea. I applaud them
for it and wish them financial success -- provided they cut the crap.
>> You know I actually bought your product a couple of years ago. I hoped it
>> would be a convenient time saver, but it didn't work. I think your customer
>> service folks sent me an upgrade on a CD, but by that time I had downloaded
>> and configured what I needed by myself -- learning much in the process and
>> hanging on to my cash.
>
> Good for you! Knowledge learned is better than knowledge
> bought anyday!
>
> As for the rest of the email, it seems directed at NuSphere. If you
> have a gripe with NuSphere, please email them directly at nusphere.com.
Sorry, NuSphere's little scam on the "Open Source" "community" is already
sufficiently well understood by those running NuSphere that an e-mail
"directed at" them would be superfluous. They are lucky I don't care enough
about their shady little scam to blow the whistle on them to the
Massachusetts AG's office and the IRS.
> I hope this clears things up a bit on what mySQL.org is and isn't.
Gee, you know, Mike, it really doesn't.
Have a Nice Day,
Dennis Eberl
> Mike Furgal - Where mySQL is your SQL.
>
>>
>> Don't, Mr/Ms/Madam Webmaster, take this personally.
>>
>> I'm not a great believer in the open source revolution. I think Eric
>> Raymond
>> is a brilliant guy who has wasted his gifts cranking out a crackpot
>> economic
>> theory that confuses the young and idealistic.
>>
>> I also think OPEN SOURCE tools like Linux and MySQL benefit all of mankind
>> and are too important to be allowed to become private property.
>>
>> NuSphere's recruitment of developers to "help make MySQL great" under the
>> fraudulent flag of mySQL.org is disgraceful. Indeed, YOU may well find
>> yourself out of a job, because you work for a company driven by greedy
>> corporate yutzes who will drill it into the ground.
>>
>> You know I actually bought your product a couple of years ago. I hoped it
>> would be a convenient time saver, but it didn't work. I think your customer
>> service folks sent me an upgrade on a CD, but by that time I had downloaded
>> and configured what I needed by myself -- learning much in the process and
>> hanging on to my cash.
>>
>> And, recently, I was happy to sign up for your seminar in Portland, OR for
>> $99. Unfortunately -- maybe, fortunately, actually -- I couldn't go at the
>> last minute.
>>
>> That makes my total out of pocket outlay to NuSphere somewhere just under
>> 200 bucks.
>>
>> Don't ever expect me to spend even a 34 cent stamp on you guys again.
>>
>> If you want to live in cyperspace and profit (this is _NOT_ a threat but an
>> assessment) you guys better sit your asses down and settle up with MySQL
>> AB.
>> No on in the open source community is going to send you a dime until you
>> do.
>>
>> Wise up. Also, imperitive you apologize publicly to MySQL on multiple sites
>> if you want to regain any credibility at all. I mean really apologize.
>> Someone at NuSphere -- and I mean someone at the top -- needs to get fired
>> over this or you can kiss your credibility goodbye.
>>
>> Dennis J. Eberl, Former Customer
>>
>>
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