Privacy
It is an issue. I do understand where seth is coming from. Why don't you
just post your login name and password for your ISP and your social security
number and your credit card numbers along with their expiration dates to the
lug. No, I don't think you would. With today's environment someone can
assume your idenity. So with a few simple tools someone could get your name
password then use this to attack a site assume your idenity or whatever they
wish. No, we don't need encryption in a perfect society where you can leave
your door open. Encryptions not important though. It's only used by thugs,
and people who don't have the best intentions. Wrong.
If I want SSH in Debian I can not get it in the United States Debian sites.
I have to go to a non US country. So the rest of the world has SSH but we
can't be because it can't be exported. The rest of the world already has it.
So the rest of the world will have strong encryption and you and me as a
citizen of our free country can't get it or have it. Why? Do you think
think making a law saying it's illegal will stop someone who is breaking the
law from using it. I think not. Law abiding Citizens can use encryption for
legitimate reasons. Even with encryptions there are plenty of ways to send
coded messages as long as two parties know what the word or phrase means.
This means e-mail could be used with non encryption. Why should I feel like
a criminal using encryption to protect myself from hackers when the rest of
the world can use it. "Encryption is a waste of time for honest people." So
I waste my time protecting myself from hackers. OK.
Private message over free, public networks. I was on debian IRQ for a short
time logged in as root and someone was kind enought to tell me to switch to
non root. They could have done whatever to my system. There are many low
tech means of gaining password and such. Do you check your keyboard
connection into your computer whenever you turn on your system? Like me
probally not. So all you would need is this little item.
http://www.geocities.com/keykatch/
So with this item attach it to any ps2 keyboard port and you have name
password and any other thing typed up to 65000 characters (64KB).
So someone sending private messages and files for work using encryptions is
not good. Maybe we could send bank statements by e-mail with bank account
numbers and such. No encryption it's not important. Do you leave your door
unlocked? I don't because someone would steal my belongings. I'd love to
leave my doors unlocked. The same can be said with encryptions you encrypt
so if they do take it they can't read it.
Privacy is something I like. I don't like the Safeway club cards. I don't
like them knowing when and what I buy in their store. It's none of their
bussiness all they need to know is I bought something in their store rather
than their competitor. I don't need for them to know when and what I buy in
their store. We give our privacy away to willingly. Is Big Brother around
the corner next. We do live in a free country still. I just don't like the
idea that someone knows where I've been what I bought and when. Maybe I
should tell them when I use the restroom and how often.
Sorry I had to rant about this. My basic right to protect myself.
Tim
On Friday 14 September 2001 21:30, you wrote:
> People have a basic right to privacy. I agree with that. What I do
> not agree with is their right to send private messages over a free, public,
> and worldwide network. A lot of the guys will not agree with me, but I am
> older than most of them, and I do not want an enemy to have ANY THING that
> he can use against the United States. I spent 22 years in the US Navy, and
> believe in our First Amendment rights (and would die to protect them). But
> it's silly to think that someone's freedom of speech is being violated
> because they are prohibited from using encryption over the Internet.
>
> Seth gets mad at me when I argue with him but, as I said, Seth is
> young. But he is one of my best friends, so I tend only to argue with him
> directly. I do not like throwing epithets back and forth since most people
> think they have a "poison pen" when they write emails, but would not talk
> that way in person. People who know me personally know that I am not afraid
> of confrontation, and I speak in person the same way I write. Ask Seth. He
> tells me to "calm down" quite a bit, but I also try to be the voice of
> reason sometimes, too.
>
> Right now I am focusing on two things, both major events. One, I
> am trying to get a good job, which is getting more and more difficult.
> Second, and more important, I am trying to make sense of what is happening
> in the world now. That is one reason I asked Seth to help me create a
> reflector (e-mail message group) called Terrorism in America. You should
> join. I am encouraging people of different viewpoints to contribute, and
> personally approve each member. If you want to join, send an email to
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> But now that I have lost my focus, let me simplify my feelings
> again. I don't care one iota whether or not we are prohibited from being
> able to use strong encryption. It makes absolutely NO difference to me.
> Neither of the two above things are affected in the least by this, and I do
> not think our personal liberties are at stake. Some think that legislation
> against encryption will be a precursor to worse losses of privacy to come.
> I do not. The only thing I would not like to happen is for pictures of me
> to circulate on the internet in my underwear. Although that might be a good
> way to scare off the terrorists!
>
> My respectful regards to those of you undeserving of this monologue.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> James E. Darrough
> United State Navy (retired)
> but ready to come back if needed...
>
> At 09:07 PM 9/14/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> >Thanks, Jim. You are probably right. You should speak up more.
> >
> >Dennis
> >
> > > From: Jim Darrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 21:02:24 -0700
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [EUG-LUG:2776] Re: [[EMAIL PROTECTED]: US Congress already
> >
> > discussing
> >
> > > bans on strong crypto]
> > >
> > > I only want to voice my opinion here, not start a debate. So here goes:
> > >
> > > Encryption is a waste of time for honest people.
> > >
> > > Regards, Jim Darrough
> > >
> > > At 10:40 AM 9/14/2001 -0700, you wrote:
> > >> On Fri, Sep 14, 2001 at 09:49:13AM -0700, Dennis J. Eberl wrote:
> > >>> I did. Back doors are a good idea. We need strict laws to cover there
> >
> > use.
> >
> > >>> fsck that, Jacob.
> > >>
> > >> Over and above the civil rights issues, back doors are a technical
> > >> idiocy. Any encryption that comes pre-equipped with vulnerabilities
> > >> will be
> >
> > cracked
> >
> > >> by the "unauthorized" in short order, and will be as generally useful
> > >> as ROT13.
> > >> Moreover, it's rather late to stuff the genie back in the bottle; when
> > >> effective
> > >> crypto is outlawed, the outlaws will continue to use effective crypto.
> > >>
> > >> Also, since you've apparently got "nothing to hide", would you mind
> >
> > posting
> >
> > >> your credit card numbers, ATM PINs, account passwords, and teenage
> >
> > daughter's
> >
> > >> phone number to the list?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this
> > >> IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED, ESPECIALLY to COMPUTER
> > >> BULLETIN BOARDS.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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