TimH wrote:

> I look around, and come to the conclusion that
> Linux is mainstream.  Everybody 
> has at least heard the name, and many people
> even consider looking at it to 
> replace current systems.  Hell, the NYSE is
> switching to it.  Every ISP I 
> have ever used has made heavy use of BSD.  open
> Source is there and in the 
> minds of the people in the know.  That's where
> it should be. 

BSD brings up an interesting point raised in the
interview mentioned here earlier: Even BSD
credits Linux with _driving_ the industry.  The
more open source software, the better for BSD
also.  Closed source Linux software doesn't help
BSD, and funny enough, often doesn't work well
for Linux either.

I see Linux as having won battles merely by slow
but unstoppable growth.  3 years ago: Linux on
the server was 'uncommon'.  It really wasn't, it
was already in many places, but the public
perception was "Oh, you run Linux?  Wow, how does
that work."  You didn't see IBM, Dell and others
mentioning Linux in the _same_ page with NT.  Now
Linux is on the same _line_ as an equal.

I see Linux on the desktop as the current
'battle' and you know what?  It's not really a
battle... It's just a slow moving wave.
Linux will be in people's home soon enough.  It
already is in some, and given enough time, it'll
be in the rest.  Nobody is fighting it, except
for Microsoft's PR dept.  

I think even Microsoft has given up the battle,
and is retreating... they won't admit it, but the
slow wave and the trend lines has made them make
more and more decisions that make _no_ sense,
unless you look at it as a lost cause where they
are committed to riding out the wave and
generating as much cashflow as possible.  Why on
Earth would you charge all of your customers
more, given the whole monopoly issue, unless you
know that you are losing customers anyway, and
that raising prices X percent will lose you only
Y percent customer base, of which Z percent would
leave anyway.  

The trend is clear: Microsoft is wanting to fight
for the server market, with the .Net stuff.  Even
industry analysts are badmouthing WinXP, and
saying that .Net is a vaporware... they are
retreating to the jeers of the industry which
empowered them to start with...

> I really don't 
> care if John and Jane family PC is running it. 
> What I can't stand is idiots 
> who can't even update their NT boxes to avoid a
> very public worm.

I finally setup my cable modem to track incoming
port 80 stuff... amazing how many boxes are still
infected.

>       But if it weren't for those losers, we
> wouldn't look as smart as we do, so 
> they are good for something.  The majority view
> is almost always the ignorant 
> view.  If I find myself in the majority, I
> assume I have made a mistake.  God 
> bless the lunatic fringe!  I think, therefor
> I'm dangerous!

heehe, too true.  Way too true.

Bob wrote:
> > I am sometimes concerned about the opposite
> happening -- that only
> > hippies and weirdos will use open source/free
> software.  I thought
> > Linux was going to go mainstream, but now I'm
> not so sure...
> >
> > I want Linux to go mainstream.  I want
> Windows to be the fringe OS.

I'm predicting it's about 3 years away. I mean
that in 3 years, running Linux on the desktop
will be a natural given.  In 1 year, you will see
more and more people looking at the option, given
the choice of XP or Linux.  Some will choose XP,
some not.  I suspect a large majority of users
will continue to use XP, until things go horribly
wrong (virus, attacks, etc) and more will
reconsider Linux, which will in the meantime have
flowered even more into the complete solution
people _expect_ (and don't get) out of the box
from a computer.  

In 2 years, Linux will be an 'also' choice, with
more and more games and comsumer products having
Linux versions, sheerly because the market share
demands that someone address them.  I.E.  Quicken
for Linux.  Which not sooner?  Because they will
ignore the market until it's not ignorable any
longer.  However, it will also be a lost cause
for MOST of the major software vendors who expect
to enter the Linux market, as the niche will be
filled with free software first.  GnuCash, etc.

Game vendors and other freshmarkets with
something new are already starting to move toward
Linux... The 'big' boys (Oracle, etc) are already
here.  I doubt the shareware market will transfer
over well, most moving to a more open source
approach, if they are interesting in Linux/BSD)

Macwill continue to grow, but the BSD nature of
OSX will mean that more users end up running X
apps, and in return X apps will start to get some
user interface upgrades.

Documentation needs to GROW.  That is the one
area most lacking at this point.  It falls far
short compared to the growth of the software
itself.

and lastly, as a User Group, we don't still see
_half_ of the Linux in this town.  I learned
about a number of Linux shops in town that I had
no clue existed at the expo.   So take whatever
numbers you have about people running Linux and
multiply by at least 1.5...   Why didn't any of
us know about the bike shop before the article?

Seth







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