Jacob Meuser wrote:

>>>now if debian would just get off that constant six month old (or
>>>however long) software model...
>>>
> 
> "Debain GNU/Linux 2.2 (a.k.a. Potato) was released on 14 August, 2000."


how about 2.2r4 (the one i'm always trying to install)?

>>>not to mention that 2.2 kernel!
>>>
> 
> The 2.2 kernels are *still* more stable than the latest 2.4 kernel on the 
> only Linux box at work (which is running Woody BTW).


so what?  does it support the hardware i just bought?

i'm into hardware.  that means that old kernels are just that.  old. 
not useful any more.  obs0l33+.  it's not like i need something to be up 
and running for years.  i need something that is more stable than 
winders (linux) and that supports the hardware i use (2.4).  fer 
christ's (or whoever else you give props to...) sake man, i run a 
desktop, not a server...

>>I would very much like to see a Debian branch, say "wobbly," that had a 
>>full release complement of "boot floppies," etc. that were as fresh and 
>>bug free as possible (remember too that nothing even makes it into the 
>>testing branch unless it builds for _all_ supported Debian 
>>architectures).


no wonder they're so far behind.  still doesn't make me like it anymore...

> IMO, this is only bacause Debian focuses on packages, instead of the
> base OS.  Can I do a "make build" or "make world" and completely
> rebuild Debian's base?  NO!  I have to build a bunch of packages.
> And, of course, I have to build the package building and managing 
> packages (talk about chicken and egg) and hope they are stable and
> bug free.


not to mention that the base system you install is almost *always* held 
back during an "apt-get upgrade"  matter of fact, i've never seen the 
base system upgrade.

> Well, *if* i were policy that there was a release every six months
> or whatever, it could be done, that's just not Debain's policy.  Cut your 
> losses, you'll be happier in the long run.  Mozilla and other packages
> are simply *not* important to the base OS, period.


uh huh.  there is a reason i'm making my own linux.  i'm a hobbyist and 
an enthusiast.  not an IT manager looking for ungawdly stability or ease 
of maintenance.

>>I'm going on a bit long, but, as you found, it's best (aside from 
>>philosophical reasons) to choose Debian because you want a Distro that 
>>is relatively easy to maintain, not because you want to be leading edge.


relatively easy to maintain?  sure, once you get the damn thing 
installed.  EVERY time i install debian SOMETHING goes wrong.

>      ^^^^^^^^
> relative to what?


probably redhat, mandrake, any others i can't think of.  "apt-get 
upgrade" rocks.  the problem is that it upgrades your year old system by 
six months and no further.  this is the computer industry.  things 
happen by days, not months.

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