Kahli just did a good job of reiterating almost everything I've heard about Eclipse. I haven't used it extensively myself.... Well said!
I think of it as emacs evolved -- although the latest versions of xemacs are really impressive, too. There are finally some nice GUI features for status -- the indicators when it starts up or is loading a new file, to show how much crap it's gotta deal with before you can actually edit. I don't think eclipse is trying to become emacs, though; don't get me wrong. While it would be possible with plugins, I don't forsee anyone checking their mail, browsing the web, or reading newgroups (the g'zillion other [x]emacs plugins' capabilities) on eclipse... regards, Ben On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:50:18 -0700 "Kahli Burke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I've used Eclipse pretty heavily for around a year now on a | pretty large project (hundreds of thousands of SLOC) and I think it's | a pretty well done IDE, focused on Java. It is an open source | project funded primarily by IBM. IBM provides a commercial version | (WebSphere Application Developer - WSAD I believe) that has support | and more features for integration with their WebSphere J2EE platform. | | However the free version available at eclipse.org is pretty | impressive as well. They have builds for many platforms (Windows, | Linux, and other Unixes), and it is a pretty professional project. I | think that by just looking at it you will see that a lot of time and | money has been invested in the project. I really prefer this IDE to | NetBeans/Forte, I can't comment on comparisons with other IDE's like | Jbuilder because I haven't used them. | | I saw recently that someone has written a book on using Eclipse | (http://www.manning.com/gallardo/). I have seen this project improve | a lot over the past year (which is impressive because it was pretty | good when I looked at it a year ago), and it now offers a lot of great | tools for Java development such as smart code completion, automatic | links to javadoc, common refactoring actions, integration with the Ant | build system, local and remote debugging (works great even with | multithreaded apps). One possible disadvantage is that it seems to | use a lot of memory, I'd recommend at least 512MB in your system if | you're going to be running other apps as well. | | As far as an answer to .NET, well J2EE is the Java competition | to .NET, and though Eclipse doesn't have built in support for some of | the J2EE conventions or for app servers, there are plugins that | provide this functionality, such as plugins for running JBoss (also | see Lomboz | http://www.mycgiserver.com/~objectlearn/products/lomboz.html). You | could certainly do J2EE development using Eclipse. I seem to remember | plugins for JSPs/Tomcat as well. | | While it is definitely centered on Java development at the | moment, it has been designed as a language neutral generic tools | platform that is modular and the API is exposed for others to write | tools for other languages. There is side project that you find more | details about here (http://www.eclipse.org/cdt/) to create a C++/C | plugin. I haven't looked at it in a while but a few months ago it | left a definite 'not ready for serious use' taste in my mouth. It may | have improved since then. | | So as you can probably tell I'm a big fan of Eclipse, mostly | because it gives me a nice environment to work in and they've never | asked me for a bunch of money, though the tool is certainly better | than a lot of commercial software I've used. | | Does that give you more to go on? | | Kahli Burke | | | | _______________________________________________ | EuG-LUG mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug _______________________________________________ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
