Also, the Opera browser also has decent 'masquerading' as Larry describes
it. Dirk, it certainly looks like the issue here is with their site, not
your system.  And just to clarify, since I've been more involved with large
webapps -- I have to disagree with Larry here.  It'd be nice if you could
choose any browser, but of *course* it matters a great deal.
Any sufficiently complex webapp, especially those that make extensive use of
javascript, java applets, and complex page construction techniques, will
show platform- and browser-issues; what's more is that the amount of work
to effectively provide quality assurance (for the site as a product) for
more than one browser is truly awesome.  IIRC there's plenty of open source
projects that work best on IE and mozilla-based browsers... it's nice to be
excited about open source and free software, and to proactively push FOSS'
efforts, but garsh if you examine the current state of the web, most folks
are driving their default Model T (er, IE).

Regards,

  Ben

PS - I agree that any site mentioning Navigator is out of date!  In many
cases, modifying your user agent string is sufficient  = )


On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 01:07:35 -0800
Larry Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

| Yech, why don't you just use firebird and tell it
| what to set the User-Agent string to.
| 
| Mozilla and Konqueror will let you masquerade from a menu item.
| 
| And while you're at it, tell us what bank so we may avoid it.
| 
| It's 2004; anyone still telling you what browser to use has very  
| clearly  NOT kept their systems up to date; think about it;  any site  
| that still has one of those horrid
| "best viewed with $browser" buttons
| 
| Is probably equally lax about security precautions and really ought not  
| to be trusted
| with intimate details of your financial life.
| 
| As for the dependency issue, I note that the most recent one is for  
| conectiva
| and suspect that you already have NN4.78 installed.
| 
| 
| 
| On Saturday, February 7, 2004, at 11:12  PM, Dirk Ouellette wrote:
| 
| > In trying to reach the online application for a loan in a retirement
| > account website I'm given this message;
| >
| > We have detected you are currently using neither Netscape nor Internet
| > Explorer. As a result, you cannot submit a loan or withdrawal request
| > online. You need Internet Explorer 5.0 or higher together with Adobe
| > Acrobat Reader 5.x or 6.0. Alternatively, you can use Netscape 4.07 or
| > 4.78 with Adobe Acrobat Reader 5.x ONLY. You cannot upgrade to the 6.0
| > Reader as it will not work with Netscape. To submit a loan or  
| > withdrawal
| > request online you must also have Adobe Acrobat properly installed.
| >
| > So I search for either Navigator 4,07 or 4.78 on google.com/linux
| > and come up with netscape-navigator-4.78-1cl RPM for i386 from
| > http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/conectiva/8/i386/RPMS.extra/netscape- 
| > navigator-4.78-1cl.i386.html.
| > I download, attempt to install and ;
| >
| > DOWNLOADS]# rpm -ivh netscape-navigator-4.78-1cl.i386.rpm
| > warning: netscape-navigator-4.78-1cl.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY,
| > key ID 99807190
| > error: Failed dependencies:
| >         netscape-common = 4.78-1cl is needed by
| > netscape-navigator-4.78-1cl
| > BUT, I've already installed netscape-common-4.78-1cl.i386.rpm!
| >
| > DOWNLOADS]# rpm -Uvh netscape-common-4.78-1cl.i386.rpm
| > warning: netscape-common-4.78-1cl.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY,  
| > key
| > ID 99807190
| > Preparing...                ###########################################
| > [100%]
| >         package netscape-common-4.78-1cl is already installed
| >
| > What is wrong here?
| > Thanks, Dirk
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
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