thanks howard very well said!

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004, Howard Fredericks wrote:

>   I live at the extreme edges of the DSL service area in the
> Bethel/Danebo area of Eugene.  I am paying about $15-20/mo for the 256k
> Qwest DSL -- Qwest has a small combo discount for combined services.
> It's typically another $15-25 per month for the ISP charges, but this
> can vary greatly depending upon the amount of bandwidth you are buying
> and if you are a business-class resource consumer.
>
> I must admit I am very intrigued by the 802.11g wireless service
> starting to be offered by some local Internet service providers.  I
> believe the service offerings are comparably priced to high-speed DSL
> and cable modem.   If I my neighbor a few houses away didn't have a
> huge tree blocking blocking my few of the Coburg Hills, I'd probably be
> using wireless today.   The local ISPs are mostly using work of mouth
> advertising, so you may have to make a couple of inquires.  I know of
> at least two local providers and I suspect there are more.  Ask around.
>   [Circa $50-$60/mo for service].
>
> I dislike the idea renting a pair of copper wires in the ground from a
> company based outside of the local area. The wireless angle allows me
> to thumb my nose at Qwest for not investing in my neighborhood telecomm
> infrastructure.
>
> If I lived closer to a the telephone central office, I'd consider at
> the Qwest "bring your own ISP" offering so I could run a webserver at
> home on a fast connection.  At last check, this package is not
> bandwidth throttled nor limited by the typical usage limitations [allow
> servers].   Most ISP's do not permit one to run servers at home as they
> must pay bandwidth charges incurred by traffic coming/going over their
> Internet uplink.  If you are interested in Linux and/or you are a
> power-user that wants to run your own services, this might be ideal for
> you.
>
> An nice side-benefit of the bring-your-own-ISP is that you can continue
> supporting EFN and OPN.  The cost of providing the base-network
> connectivity  [dialup ports/DSL Qwest charges, uplink bandwidth, etc]
> is an overwhelmingly huge portion of the expense is providing your ISP
> service.  I expect the EFN technical and support infrastructure changes
> currently in shakedown should satisfactorily address any lingering
> historical concerns.
>
> Since I'm not particularly interested in cable TV, the cable modem
> (data only) rates offered by Comcast aren't particularly attractive to
> me as a consumer.  I was paying about $55-60/mo for data only with
> Comcast locally a year or so ago.  The cable TV + data combination
> discounts bring the month recurring costs down to merely ridiculous.
>
> Don't forget, you earn good karma points and keep some of your money
> local by working with a local ISP.  Everything be equal, I would rather
> support my neighbors and encourage others to do likewise.
>
> Let me know if this helped your brainstorming for options.
>
> Opinions are my own and will not necessarily work in anyone else's
> reality or circumstances.  Some of the cost estimates may no longer be
> accurate.  Not available is all areas.  Consult your own tarot cards
> before...  [Insert standard disclaimer here.]
>
> --Howard Fredericks
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 19, 2004, at 4:14 PM, Kenneth Silverman wrote:
>
> > hey guys so i'm researching for high speed. what's everybody using and
> > how much? i'm looking for the best deal, of course, and it'd be good
> > if they'd host my website too. i'd like to think i'm staying with efn
> > but i'm not sure what to do so once my dues expire end of sept then
> > maybe i'm moving on....let me know.....ken
> > Ken Silverman
> > 541 343 0912
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