On 5/4/05, T. Joseph CARTER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, May 01, 2005 at 01:41:09PM -0700, Jacob Meuser wrote: > > you know, the BSDs have operated with this mentality for some time. > > The main thing preventing this is that I'm not much interested > in rtfm-style answers to questions, especially to questions with short > answers that would be easier to have answered by a knowledgable person > than to dig up tfm to r.
One of the causes for that is the BSD's do have relatively straightforward, complete and coherent documentation; and it's a lot quicker to point someone to the authoritative and correct documentation than to get drawn into a rambling discussion of the whys and wherefores of a particular answer. > I'm a very busy person these days. =/ I know a lot of general use crap > about UNIX in general and Linux and MacOS X in particular (my Linux is a > little rusty, but not really THAT much has changed from 2.4 to 2.6), but > applying this to a particular platform (a BSD or any particular variant of > Linux which does something in ways I'm not used to) is going to require > some Q&A. > hey that's what mailing lists are for ;=) > This is of course not an accusation to any particular person, just an > overall reaction to the community vibe. Linux went through the same thing > back in the latter 90s when it started to become popular. That kind of > exclusionism just resonates with me in bad ways. > In my experience FreeBSD is used mostly by people who see it as a tool not a toy, the default expectation is one of competence. If that's exclusionary <shrug/> > Of course, I am pretty sure I don't remember any FreeBSD systems having a > nice little integrated configuration for things like what services are > enabled or anything like that either. In fact, I remember FreeBSD being a > lot like Gentoo, but without the cute little etc-update tools (and it's > not like those are all that effective either!) > Actually freebsd's update system is fairly comprehensive and worked out. read cvsup(1) and this chapter http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html in the handbook and you'll be ready to try it. > I just lament that Linux has generally gone the way of trying to compete > with Windows in the feature list rather than trying to simply be better. > Quality and integration were my interest. Think of it as evolution in action. You are watching speciation at work, as different distros edge towards their respective attractors. That said there is a lot of room for improvement even (perhaps especially!) in the unix universe. -- http://Zoneverte.org -- information explained Do you know what your IT infrastructure does? _______________________________________________ EUGLUG mailing list [email protected] http://www.euglug.org/mailman/listinfo/euglug
