It appears I too may not be making myself clear .. and I got into some
tangents about government in this area that is really unrelated to the
Fiber topic at hand. Sorry about that.
I am interested in what the real deal is though... and will do what I
can to get infomration updated and posted somewhere.
Mark
John Schmidt wrote:
Actually - I am making some assumptions based on what I have been told. My
understanding is that metronet did in fact lay fiber through downtown. I am not
sure that any of it is lit. I know some folks that were associated with
Metronet - I'll check with them to verify it, but I thouht they said it was on
the curb going down 8th... Give me a day or two on that.
//jjs
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Darren Hayes
Sent: Tue 1/24/2006 8:42 PM
To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] MetroNet revisited (was wi-fi hell--let's talk WiMax)
If your company could afford it (that is, if it was cost-effective) your
company could connect to the fiber? Which entities would you have to contact
or contract to in order to make that happen
Is that fiber owned by the city... er excuse me, by EWEB, or some other
public entity or is it owned by a private vendor.
BTW I'm not casting stones. Just interested in this subject. Wondering how
much local fiber, both lit and dark, is out there and where it is located.
One would think this info would be more easy to obtain, at least from a
marketing perspective. But maybe it is a security issue?
Darren
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 7:15 PM
Subject: RE: [Eug-lug] MetroNet revisited (was wi-fi hell--let's talk WiMax)
The cost for the last hundred feet is way high. It runs right outside my
buidling at 8th and Olive, but we'd have to pay for the sidewalk cuts to lay
conduit into the basement, etc.etc. etc.
//jjs
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Ben Barrett
Sent: Tue 1/24/2006 12:36 PM
To: Eugene Unix and Gnu/Linux User Group
Subject: Re: [Eug-lug] MetroNet revisited (was wi-fi hell--let's talk WiMax)
It is my understanding that anyone (including private industry and
citizens) can buy fiber uplink from EWEB, th hitch is having a location
that non-dark fiber already comes to or [the expense of] having fiber
laid to your location. I think service is not cheap but I think it is a
"better deal" than Qworst's T1's in a number of ways :)
I might be wrong, and YMMV...
Ben
Michael Miller wrote the following on 1/24/2006 10:15 AM:
I guess it's a nice thing that the city decided to add a 4th floor to
the Library. The reason I say this is because there is more room for
books. Instead of the Library giving up space for books for people.
Anyway I think that the "government" might have a short fall in
funding (someday). If they don't already and will lease out the fiber
to make money. It makes no since that some entity would lay fiber and
not use (or resell) the unsued capacity. Then again there might not
be any discussion or budget problems.
Mike Miller
On 1/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
While I dont know the history I do know the fiber I work with is
"government" only and has something to do with regulations of some sort.
Im not aware of any private entities getting fiber from EWEB. This is
why its a big deal to sell that building to Peacehealth.. all the fiber
infrastructure would need to be moved.. seems to me if Peacehealth
actually owned or leased a part of it it would stay. But Im not an
authority on the subject - I know who is though.. and can do some
checking.
This wouldnt surprise me though.. the city has done this kind of stuff
before.. like the Library .. taxpayers voted.. was supposed to be 3
stories .. then they added a 4th to house non library staff... and there
was some sort of budget finagling. ... then oh by the way that bond
measure included building the library but didnt include the costs to run
it. .. another bond measure.. and it passed. So im not sure who is the
bigger idiots .. the people that run government that way or the people
who keep voting the bond measures in . Glad I dont pay those taxes...
Mark
Darren Hayes wrote:
Just some background on MetroNet...
Original intent was for the City of Eugene to have EWEB build out fiber
for
local Metropolitan Area Network (Initial Phase) then later bring fiber to
the curb for everyone in 2007 (Universal Build Phase). Plan also included
opening up the network (Open Access/OpenPlatform) so other vendors could
utilize capacity.
A revenue bond measure and then later a city charter change allowing the
City to proceed with the build out passed with much grassroots support,
but
with wide opposition coming from local business interests and from Qwest,
ATT Broadband (now Comcast) and other self-interests.
Then not soon after EWEB (owned by the City of Eugene) nixed the
Universal
Build Phase and decided to serve only public, quasi-public and
institutional
facilities via the Public Agency Network (PAN). Reason given was EWEB did
not want to incur additional debt and have electrical or water customers
subsidize the Universal build phase. So the MetroNet idea was transformed
with a focus to run fiber ONLY to "existing customers only". That meant
EWEB's current partners in PAN with a scope which continued to include
large
businesses and large users only. Besides EWEB and the City of Eugene PAN
(or
PANet) includes the ESD 4J, LTD, Lane Co, SUB, LCOG/RIS, UofO, LCC, City
of
Springfield, LaneESD and other public entities.
Note that EWEB utilized (and continues to utilize) the proceeds of the
bond
sale to finance fiber build out related to build out of "EWEB fiber
network"
for internal operations.
Was the idea of the Universal Phase "used" to promote the bond measure to
get the "Initial Phase" done. Was there truly any real dedication in
making
the Universal build phase a reality? Wondering what major changes
occurred
with performa numbers between the time the measure appeared on the ballot
and the time EWEB and City of Eugene changed course and nixed the
Universal
Build idea? The end-result is EWEB ratepayers and City of Eugene
taxpayers
backing the debt financing the "Initial Phase" servicing private
properties/facilities owned by large businesses and large local
developers.
It is very likely many involved in the grass-roots campaign supporting
the
bond measure and charter change would not have if they had knowledge of
the
current status/end result.
EWEB has ran fiber to many of it's PAN partners including schools in
Eugene
School District 4J. Some of the fiber is leased but much is still dark.
Each
year 4J continues to lease more fiber capacity from EWEB to replace Qwest
T1
lines and also to continue 4J WAN build out (e.g. 4J schools are also
implementing voice services on the data network).
EWEB has ran fiber to the city libraries, fire stations, the airport,
satellite police stations, etc. And the plan was for EWEB to run fiber to
and/or share fiber with private entities, i.e. Reg-Gd, Hynix, Valley
River
Center and Country Club Road medical offices and other ancillary
businesses,
BLM, USFS, State of Oregon and Lane County buildings, Peace Health, etc.
(I
still don't understand the Chambers involvement with "Light The Apple"?
Could not EWEB and 4J done this on their own at effectively the same or
lower cost?) Wondering how many private businesses located in downtown
core
are now connected via EWEB fiber?
And I'm wondering what has happened to this idea of City of Eugene/EWEB
making MetroNet independent? Acquiring info on any of these topics is
quite
difficult. The local media was all over the subject back at the start of
the
decade, but the subject does not appear to be discussed publicly any
longer.
Is anyone aware of a current local fiber map? Found a 5.5 year old
version
(produced in 2001 when the original push for MetroNet was underway) at
http://cc.uoregon.edu/fiber/
BTW on an "unrelated" note, today accessing docs from the City of
Eugene's
public web server is like pulling teeth. Must be by-product of running on
IIS with FrontPage Extensions. Or an Oregon IX or OWEN issue? Anyway
local
hop times over wcg.net (Williams) and nero.net are very sluggish today.
See
http://netfoo.nero.net/cgi-bin/netviewer.cgi?meta=partner&locale=CityEuge
ne
Darren
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