But they are [coordinating with "big brother"], pandering to RIAA for
instance, all the while
doing nothing to support the "little guy"... whose resources are being
sucked by botnets.

Consider this analogy:  I'd liike local police to crack down on property
theft, say, even ones
under $700 in value.  That doesn't mean that local police should confiscate
all dark-colored
clothing, and also confiscate all crowbars, boltcutters, etc...
I'd also like it if they cracked down on murder, but I think that is
possible while maintaining
the right to Bear Arms (yes, arms of a bear, comic relief!).

I don't think there's enough collective intelligence at the politcal &
business level, but I think
that in 20 years we'll laugh about the naughts (00's) and the nineties.
What would stop them
from arbitrarily deciding that some other [ipv6!] traffic is "bad" would be
the same things that
help us collectively determine what is acceptible public behaviour in an
open society.
Things like a sense of consequences, how actions affect others,
understanding of the physics
(or shall I say "the nature") of our environment, etc.

So yeah, if I want to peel out & drive doughnuts in my field, I'll be
allowed to, until the waste of
fuel is deemed illegal.  Then I'll call it research :)   ** However, if I
steal the neighbor's kids and
enslave them to my profit or amusement, that is clearly wrong by our
standards!! **
I don't know if I actually compared children to computers, there.... :)
...if I did, then my neighbors would still pay for their kids' expenses,
while they worked a
sweatshop at my "day camp", so to speak.... that would be wrong, no?
So yeah, in a public space our actions and communication are observed for
appropriateness...
the only thing I AM sure of is that we'll either argue about the fine line
of having privacy in an
open society, or else we'll have the answer [attempted to be] shoved down
our throats.
I'd rather see a collective stuggle to get it right -- there will be plenty
of mistakes to learn from.

ben


On 2/12/07, Russ Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Ben Barrett wrote:
> And why aren't google, microsoft, and major ISP's really cracking down
> on the botnet infrastructure??  They have all the tools and the
power....
Personal opinion...

If they crack down on the botnets, what's to stop them from deciding
(arbitrarily) that some other tcp/ip traffic is "bad"?

I like the fact that most ISPs have taken the attitude that they are
just a piece of wire in the circuit.

I didn't ask them to protect me from myself, and I appreciate the fact
that they aren't acting like big brother.

Russ
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