Sticking to our latest topic, I recommend you to watch the videoarchive of the MIT media lab conference on „Forbidden Research“ that invokes civil disobidience, laws and its enforcement, technology, hacking, regulations and scientific taboos.
https://www.media.mit.edu/events/forbidden/agenda Archive https://www.media.mit.edu/videos/forbiddenresearch-2016-07-21-1/ Markus Von: Ruediger Trojok <[email protected]> Datum: Samstag, 11. Februar 2017 um 17:16 An: Markus Schmidt <[email protected]>, Luc Henry <[email protected]>, Marc Dusseiller <[email protected]> Cc: europe <[email protected]>, Biocommons <[email protected]> Betreff: Re: Accessible Bio Companies Back Up DIY Kits at the moment it is in germany a requirement for any kind of GMO experimentation to have 2 people register a facility, while both have to have master level+ 3 years of lab practise. but then they can do every kind of experiment in s1 or whatever they got a license for. i suggest to open s1 regulations and introduce new lower layers, but also to get rid of these 3 year demand, it is outdated. so for amateurs with no experience, off the shelf kits which are limited in what you can do freely should be legal according to some still to be defined quality standards then for bachelor level bio i suggest to allow modifications in hacker settings with a low barrier certification (driving license) of the facility (e.g. also mobile labs), but still limited applications. an online registration mode of experiments in that facility might help to build trust for mobile devices. at least someting along that lines seems reasonable to me. best, Rüdiger Am 11.02.2017 um 10:55 schrieb Markus Schmidt: > > Hi Rüdiger > > Well done. > > > > > About the driving license analogy. Is there such a big difference to the way > it is handled now? Every car also has to go through TÜV so it is not so > different to the lab certificates we have right now. But obiously the > regulations did not foresee the diffusion of technology. And needs to > acknowledge this more in the future. > > > > > I saw all kinds of reactions to the German statement. From "Germany is a > repressive authoritarian state" to "nothing new under the sun". The debate is > certainly good to better understand and account for all things DIYBio, pulling > biotech not only out of institutonal labs but also out of hackerspaces. > > > > > Best Markus > > > > > > > > > > > > Von meinem Samsung Gerät gesendet. > > > > -------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -------- > Von: Ruediger Trojok <[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]> > Datum: 11.02.17 06:50 (GMT+01:00) > An: Luc Henry <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> , > Marc Dusseiller <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: Markus Schmidt <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> , > europe <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> , Biocommons > <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> > Betreff: Re: Accessible Bio Companies Back Up DIY Kits > > > > hey all, > > > attached is the Interview i gave on the BVL comment to Der Spiegel magazine. > It is published today in print. > > > further i'd like to point out that questions on crispr and regulation will be > subject of my upcoming crispr.kitchen, for which we will also prepare video > and text material for the public discussion. > > > Best, > > > Rüdiger > > > > Am 09.02.2017 um 18:11 schrieb Luc Henry: > > >> >> Thanks Marc for this! >> >> >> >> We need more lightness in this world. >> >> >> >> >> ;) >> >> >> >> >> L. >> >> >> >> >> On 9 February 2017 at 17:25, Marc Dusseiller <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> i guess we looked into making our kits... just to flush the net with funny >>> pictures of these dangerous DIYbio stuff :-) >>> hackteria.org/wiki/Make_you_own_CRISPR-Kit >>> <http://hackteria.org/wiki/Make_you_own_CRISPR-Kit> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> m >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 1:21 AM, Markus Schmidt <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> One more by Gizmodo on the subject: >>>> http://gizmodo.com/germany-is-threatening-biohackers-with-prison-1792143993 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Von: Markus Schmidt <[email protected]> >>>> Datum: Donnerstag, 9. Februar 2017 um 17:05 >>>> An: <[email protected]>, Biocommons <[email protected]> >>>> Betreff: Accessible Bio Companies Back Up DIY Kits >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi folks, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Great to see some good response. Here is some more food for thought with >>>> the potential for lively exchange of views and opinions. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You might have seen the Warning by the German government institution to be >>>> careful when using DIYBio kits. The German „Bundesamt für >>>> Verbraucherschutz" has issued a warning for people who think about >>>> purchasing any of the available DIY kits for doing more than analytics, say >>>> synthetic stuff. In Make Magazine Germany they discuss who would be >>>> affected and several well known start-ups were mentioned. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Warning by Bundesamt für Verbraucherschutz >>>> >>>> http://www.bvl.bund.de/DE/06_Gentechnik/04_Fachmeldungen/2017/2017_01_25_DI >>>> Y-Kits.html >>>> >>>> And Make article >>>> >>>> https://www.heise.de/make/meldung/Biohacking-Bundesamt-warnt-vor-Do-It-Your >>>> self-Kits-3616860.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Today, two of the affected US “Accessible Bio” companies, Amino and >>>> Biorealize, have issued a statement responding to the warning, titled >>>> >>>> Accessible Bio Companies Back Up the Importance of “Criminal” DIY Kits for >>>> the Future of Science Education >>>> >>>> see for yourself: >>>> >>>> http://www.prweb.com/releases/accessible/bio/prweb14053058.htm >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, Markus >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ******************************************************* >>> >>> !!NOTICE: new phone nr: tel: +41 77 9930877 <tel:+41%2077%20993%2008%2077> >>> >>> ******************************************************* >>> //////dusjagr labs///////////////////////////////////////// >>> Dr. Marc Dusseiller >>> Schöneggstr. 34 | CH-8004 Zürich | tel: +41 77 9930877 >>> <tel:+41%2077%20993%2008%2077> | skype: dusjagr >>> www.dusseiller.ch/labs <http://www.dusseiller.ch/labs> >>> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>> SGMK | Schweizerische Gesellschaft für Mechatronische Kunst >>> Postfach 2161 | CH-8031 Zürich >>> www.mechatronicart.ch <http://www.mechatronicart.ch> >>> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>> hackteria | Open Source Biological Art >>> www.hackteria.org <http://www.hackteria.org> >>> ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > >
