On Tuesday 05 August 2008 14:46:16 Zeth wrote:
> 2008/8/5 John Pinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > No, PayPal has been very reliable. I expected not to like it, but it
> > works _very_ well.
>
> I was also very suspicious of PayPal (e.g. PayPal's software patent
> claims and when the British government looked into Paypal, it
> *coincidentally* moved its European operations from the UK to
> Luxembourg). However, it is very difficult to find a bank that is not
> evil/dodgy in some way or other. Due to its use (/anti-competitive
> bundling) with Ebay, most people recognise Paypal and have some level
> of trust towards it.

As for my perception of PayPal, I keep reading bad things about them (and 
eBay), so I've avoided using them until now.

> PayPal has the merit of being practical (at least in terms of getting
> the money in) and they do not charge us all year round. The main
> problem is the Eastern European hiccups, but I doubt any other option
> will be any better.

It was these "hiccups" which gave me the impression that we'd had problems 
with PayPal, but maybe it wasn't that bad for the organisers... but perhaps a 
different story for the guy who had to try twenty-odd times to pay. ;-) I 
don't deny that there are always problems: malfunctioning browser trickery, 
cards which need unblocking for "irregular use", and so on. Around the time 
we were discussing WorldPay, there was an article about a cross-site 
scripting vulnerability in WorldPay that hadn't been fixed for weeks, so 
finding a well-known, good provider is probably quite a chore. That's why I 
attempted to summarise the requirements, although some are not particularly 
specific to the people wiring the money around and validating the cards.

[...]

> I started Python West Midlands because I wanted to meet other people
> who knew Python (so I could absorb their skills ;), the first person
> who came was John who then had an idea to make a UK conference, so we
> just did it. Making everything subject to the PSF committee might slow
> things like this down somewhat and remove the spontaneity. The logo
> issue was resolved in the end but "bikeshedding" by distant people on
> mailing lists can zap people's enthusiasm.

Indeed. I was thinking purely about the ability to take payments with as small 
a set-up burden as possible on each conference (current and new), but as I 
noted, it's probably too much hassle with respect to the legal status of each 
conference's organisers, who gets to sign off on money coming and going, and 
all that. Still, there are plenty of other areas for cooperation.

Paul
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