[Moving to europython-improve@, as I reckon that most delegates will not
be interested in details on how to improve our website]

On sab, 2011-04-09 at 16:46 +0200, Charlie Clark wrote: 
> Am 09.04.2011, 16:10 Uhr, schrieb Giovanni Bajo <ra...@develer.com>:
> 
> > I disagree. The form linked above clearly explains what it is going to
> > be published and what it is not. Moreover, if you submit the form once,
> > you are brought to the exact page that *will* become public, but still
> > in a private form; you can review everything and amend at any time.
> 
> The pop-up requrires javascript to work. As it stands they are two  
> slightly contradictory statements. I would suggest you clarify in the  
> obligatory opt-in field exactly what data will be published on the  
> website.

Generally speaking, we do not spend time to specifically tune and
enhance the experience of people browsing our website with Javascript
disabled. Obviously the website is well-designed so that it does work
with Javascript disabled, but there could surely be other QoI issues
(just like this one).

Anyway, since it's a relatively small fix, I will change the opt-in text
to specify that mobile number and birthdate will not be published. I
have added a paragraph to the privacy policy about speaker data.

> To be honest, as the form is not secure neither statement is of  
> any great relevance from a data protection perspective: all public data is  
> being transferred in the clear. Would it be possible to have the forms  
> secured?

If someone can provide a *quality* (single-root, full browser coverage
including mobile) SSL certificate for ep2011.europython.eu, we would be
happy to switch to HTTPS. Alternatively, if someone donates €20 (there
is a donation button on the homepage), we will be happy to buy a 1-year
certificate and install it. 

> >> but then the site
> >> is also using Google Analytics which also breaches this
> > Again, I disagree. We don't send Google Analytics any private data that
> > we are aware of. If you mind to elaborate on where our privacy policy
> > seems to disallow Google Analytics usage, we can amend the text to allow
> > it (and/or explicitly mention that it is being used). Plus, it's
> > possible to globally opt out from GA as you might know.
> 
> IP addresses are considered as personal information. In general, in  
> Europe, only opting-in to the collection of personal data is permissible  
> and, as such, the US preference for opting-out is not sufficient.

I disagree that IP addresses are considered personal information in
Italy, but I'm not a lawyer. If you are suggesting that all websites
using Google Analytics violate EU privacy laws, then too bad. 

I have updated the privacy policy to reflect our usage of Google
Analytics (and Olark, and Janrain).

You mentioned that there was a 10-years cookie set by our website. We
could not find it. Can you give us more details please?

Thank you for elaborating on your concerns. I hope most of them are
cleared out now.

PS: while composing this e-mail and editing the privacy policy, I've
been cold-called by a company that was trying to upsell cat food,
declaring that they knew that I had a cat. That is, sadly, the current
status of the privacy in Italy at least ./
-- 
Giovanni Bajo


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