Thomas,
I heard about your car. Very serious! Thanks for the info and i'll look for you at the 
rally.

Steve

In a message dated Fri, 20 Sep 2002 17:14:46 +0000, "Thomas Cook" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

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>Hi Steve,
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>Congrats on the new car. This summer I put many hours into one of these cars. Some 
>things where different however, like 4 motors, a corvette rear end, and agm batteries 
>to name a few:) When we got it, it had 22 hawker 38ah batteries in it. The pack was 
>not too difficult to remove. The first step is removing the front bumper piece. make 
>sure you disconnect all of the front lights. next up are the two arms that hold the 
>headlights.nbsp; Next, disconnect the tie rods, and the steering cylinder. (tropica 
>has hydrolic steering, like on a boat!) Then there are all of the main tray bolts. 
>They are in a 'u' pattern on the front firewall. All of them come out, and then the 
>.5'' alum firewall is free. Remove that and you are now almost ready to slide out the 
>pack. I don't know how the car was originally wired, but you need to check that there 
>aren't any cables coming out the back of the battery tunnel before you start pulling 
>the batteries out the front. You should be able to remo! v!
 e the first few batteries by hand. If you want to try and use a roller rack thing 
from under the car, you will find pretty big slots running right down the center of 
the car. If you had a bb roller on a jack, you could probably jack it up underneath 
the car into one of the slots, and you would be able to roll the pack out instead of 
slide it out. We had a very handy 4 wheeled cart that was just the right height for 
the pack once we put two 2x4's on it. I was able to pull the pack out pretty much by 
myself, although it certainly takes some muscles and a strong back. Be careful on the 
way out that you don't let all of the pack weight rest on the weak aluminum on the 
edge. Also be careful where you pull the pack from. The front lip isn't all to strong. 
If you want more details, I will be at the stanford rally on saturday. I hope to be 
zipping around on a xootre....
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>-Thomas Cook
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> �gt;From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt;Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt;To: 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] gt;Subject: My new Tropica gt;Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 02:36:56 
>-0400 gt; gt;I'm the proud new owner of the Tropica Bruce posted about earlier this 
>week. We were told by the previous owner that the charger was dead, the batteries 
>were dead and perhaps one motor wasn't running. We trailered it home to San Jose last 
>night and took it off the trailer this evening. gt; gt;Ok so what have we got here? I 
>got out my DVM to measure the pack voltage. 2.4 volts. No, I didn't misplace a 
>decimal. Well that's not good. I plugged in the charger and the voltage started 
>climbing. I thought, hey the charger seems to work after all. Well no, it put out a 
>whole 4 volts! Fair Radio to the rescue. I hooked up the "charger" and brought the 
>voltage up slowly watching the current. At about 40 volts, I was startled by the tail 
>lights comming on. It was dark by now. What suprised me was that I had the main 
>switch!
  off. A look at the schematic shows that the main switch only disables the drive 
system. That probably explains why the batteries were so dead. The DC-DC was suppling 
power to the "card cage" for the whole time the car wasn't getting charged due to the 
bad charger. I brought it up to 72volts and let it set there for a couple hours 
pulling very little current. I then raised it up to about 85 volts and the pack 
started drawing about 8 amps. I ! let it go a co! gt; uple more hours but that was all 
the time I had. I'll measure the resting voltage to see if I made any headway and 
continue charging tomorrow night. I'm not expecting much. I fully expect this pack to 
be more than murdered but maybe I'll get enough charge to check out the motors or go 
around the block. While charging, I checked out the rest of the electrical system and 
everything seem to work. gt; gt;So far it's been very popular in the neighborhood. I 
got a real kick out of the number of people asking if they could!
  sit in it! I'll pull the charger out this weekend after the EV Rally 
a
nd check it out. gt; gt;I need help with two things, so far. Does anyone have info on 
the battery watering system? There is a central watering system that is filled from 3 
quick disconects in the front. There apparently was a small tank and pump that was 
available. I'm also looking for information on how to build the battery cart for 
removing the battery pack from the tunnel. gt; gt; gt;thanks, gt;Steve 
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