EV Digest 2424

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: EV digest 2423
        by "Thomas Durand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  2) Re: Insuring Sparrow in New York State
        by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  3) Porsche vs VW adapter plates. Re: VW donor questions
        by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  4) Re: Fill'er up with Tide
        by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  5) Re: Silent Thunder Sacramento Nedra drag pics
        by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  6) Re: Lightweight Jeeps
        by "Chad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  7) Re: Compound Wound Motor
        by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  8) EV selling point...
        by "Christopher Meier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  9) Re: Fill'er up with Tide
        by "Ralph Merwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 10) Re: Porsche vs VW adapter plates. Re: VW donor questions
        by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 11) Re: Porsche vs VW adapter plates. Re: VW donor questions
        by Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 12) Re: advanced batteries / Zebra
        by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 13) Motor adapters
        by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 14) RE: Environmental impact of advanced batteries
        by "Chris Tromley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 15) RE: Motor adapters
        by "VanDerWal, Peter MSgt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 16) Is there a Vacuum Dummy Light?
        by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 17) Re: Porsche vs VW adapter plates -- More questions
        by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 18) Re: Is there a Vacuum Dummy Light?
        by "Chad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 19) Re: Porsche vs VW adapter plates -- More questions
        by "Chad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 20) Re: Is there a Vacuum Dummy Light?
        by "" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 21) Phoenix EV on TV this weekend!
        by Mason Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 22) Re: Is there a Vacuum Dummy Light?
        by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 23) Re: Phoenix EV on TV this weekend!
        by Eric Penne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 24) Re: Phoenix EV on TV this weekend!
        by Mason Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 25) (California) [EV1-CLUB] EV parking sticker contest CAST YOUR VOTE!
        by "Grannes, Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 26) RE: (California) [EV1-CLUB] EV parking sticker contest CAST YOUR 
         VOTE!
        by "Grannes, Dean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 27) HYBRID VIGOR from the Daily Grist
        by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 28) Zebras - I have a bite, maybe... 
        by Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 29) Re: Zebras - I have a bite, maybe... 
        by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I'm on FTO on Friday, Nov 15, be back on Monday, Nov 18th.

Please direct any MCPS/EUC/Production/Adhoc reporting issues to Maria
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Please direct MCPS/CFM issues to Elizabeth Grimm (SAC: 916-374-3753) or
David G Johnson (x6625).

For all other issues, please contact Trevor Smith (x4249) or Susan Galo
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I hope you have also POSTed that question to the 
Sparrow EV group
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sparrow_ev/




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Is the adaptor plate for VW to Advanced DC 9 inch? I think that may
bolt to a Porsche 911 transaxle, do you know for sure?

Porsche 911, 912, 914 engines/transmissions are all interchangeable with the Aircooled VW engines/transmission. And they are at least interchangeable with the water cooled boxer engines like the Vanagon had.

I don't know about later water cooled Porcshe & VWs though.

Anybody else know? For example does the 924S/944 use the same bolt pattern, etc as the earlier aircooled engine/transmissions?
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--- Begin Message --- ??? They are stored in water until used, actually they are still in water when used.

Michael Hurley wrote:

The guy made the news here in Utah for throwing some in a river and
setting the river on fire.

No association, here is the web page: http://www.powerball.net

Funny, the PowerBall people tout them as being safe and waterproof until split open by the fuel cell. Guess they aren't as waterproof as they seem.

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When can you post the data mentioned at
http://brucedp02.150m.com/saced02/brucedp31799.html?

I would love to plot it.

Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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From: "Bruce EVangel Parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:03 AM
Subject: Silent Thunder Sacramento Nedra drag pics


> My pics can be seen at:
>
> http://brucedp02.150m.com/saced02/
> or
> http://brucedp02.0catch.com/saced02/
>
> If everyone has used up the site's bandwidth
> and you can't see them, wait a day and try again.
>
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I like those kits!!
I will take a look at converting a 2 door S10 blazer again.
Neato

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From: "David Dymaxion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Lightweight Jeeps


> Chad, Tom, Peter, and Mark, thanks for the comments on Jeeps. I'm not
> converting one, just revisting the idea of 4WD after ProEV's comments
> (I have an upcoming post on that). I thought 500 lbs because the
> Rodster guys (http://www.rodster.com) claim an S10 blazer loses 500
> lbs putting their body kit on, and it doesn't even replace the whole
> body. The Rodster guys claim 200 lbs just by putting on their front
> clip.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for correcting the optimistic estimates!
> 
> The Mighty Mite would be a neat toy.
> 
> I also saw online the Suzuki Samurai and Geo Tracker are about 2000
> to 2300 lbs.
> 
> 
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Rhett T. George wrote:
> 
>  - Greetings -
> 
> Darin Gilbert asked a very good question about compound motors and whether
> a series motor could be made into such a motor.  It is a matter of degree.
> Most compound motors use the shunt (high resistance) field as the main
> source of field flux.  The series field changes the behavior so that in
> most applications the motor has increased starting torque (cumulative com-
> pound).  Big changes in magnetic field flux will make big changes in motor
> speed at a near-constant load torque.  The Elec-Trak is a good example.
> 
> Apart from thermal considerations (cooling the field coils), adding a shunt
> winding atop the series field coil winding is an interesting exercise.
> Wire size and length along with number of turns will have to be juggled
> to find the best, maximum voltage which can be applied without producing
> too much heat.  If someone takes this challenging project, do start by se-
> lecting a series motor with a great deal of winding room between the pole
> pieces,  Take care that on startup, the new field source adds flux to that
> provided by the other winding.

Another interesting effect to watch out for... The series and shunt
windings on a compound wound motor form a transformer. The step-up ratio
can be pretty dramatic!

For example, if you have a 1v series field and a 100v shunt field, and
leave the shunt field open, and power the motor with a typical PWM
controller, the controller can put a square wave at full battery pack
voltage across the series field. This voltage will be stepped up by
100:1 and (try to) appear on the shunt field! What usually happens is
that the insulation in the shunt field breaks down and arcs.

So, you either have to avoid PWMing the series field, or insure that the
shunt field is either shorted or has some kind of load.
-- 
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The evening news shows are showing reports (again) of fires starting at gas
pumps due to static electricity.  Time to promote EV's again...   "why go to
those dangerous pumps just to commute 10 miles, or run a few errands?"

-Chris
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I missed the original posting, but the text on the PowerBall site
states that the PowerBalls float in water in the machine, and are
cut in half by a cutting mechanism inside the machine when more
hydrogen is needed.

Ralph


Peter VanDerWal writes:
> 
> ???  They are stored in water until used, actually they are still in 
> water when used.
> 
> Michael Hurley wrote:
> 
> >> The guy made the news here in Utah for throwing some in a river and
> >> setting the river on fire.
> >>
> >> No association, here is the web page: http://www.powerball.net
> >
> >
> > Funny, the PowerBall people tout them as being safe and waterproof 
> > until split open by the fuel cell. Guess they aren't as waterproof as 
> > they seem.
> 
> 
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Is the adaptor plate for VW to Advanced DC 9 inch? I think that may
bolt to a Porsche 911 transaxle, do you know for sure?

Porsche 911, 912, 914 engines/transmissions are all interchangeable with the Aircooled VW engines/transmission. And they are at least interchangeable with the water cooled boxer engines like the Vanagon had.

I don't know about later water cooled Porcshe & VWs though.

Anybody else know? For example does the 924S/944 use the same bolt pattern, etc as the earlier aircooled engine/transmissions?
The 911, 930(turbo), 912, 914, VW Type 4, Bug, Bus, Squareback, and (non diesel) Vanagon are all the same bolt pattern but that does not make them interchangeable. The Porsche 911 and 930 use different input splines, and the throwout bearing styles and pilot bearings depths differ some, especially for the 911 and 930s.

The water cooled engines in Rabbits, Golfs, 944s, 924s, 928s, are all significantly different than the traditional VW bolt pattern.

HTH,

-Otmar-

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Otmar wrote:

Is the adaptor plate for VW to Advanced DC 9 inch? I think that may
bolt to a Porsche 911 transaxle, do you know for sure?

Porsche 911, 912, 914 engines/transmissions are all interchangeable with the Aircooled VW engines/transmission. And they are at least interchangeable with the water cooled boxer engines like the Vanagon had.

I don't know about later water cooled Porcshe & VWs though.

Anybody else know? For example does the 924S/944 use the same bolt pattern, etc as the earlier aircooled engine/transmissions?

The 911, 930(turbo), 912, 914, VW Type 4, Bug, Bus, Squareback, and (non diesel) Vanagon are all the same bolt pattern but that does not make them interchangeable. The Porsche 911 and 930 use different input splines, and the throwout bearing styles and pilot bearings depths differ some, especially for the 911 and 930s.
ASh yes, I'd forgotten about the spline issue. I remember spedding a weekend trying to get a 411 engine into my old bus before I realized it had a smaller spline on the clutch than the one on the bus. Fortunately the old clutch fit on the new engine.


The water cooled engines in Rabbits, Golfs, 944s, 924s, 928s, are all significantly different than the traditional VW bolt pattern.

That's what I thought. Hmm how about on the transmission end of the drive tube? I understand the 924S/944 has basically the same 915 transmission as the later model 911s (well later than the early 70s, what was it 74, 75 when they changed?)

I'm wondering because I have a 924S rear end (well actually the whole car) that I want to use for a scratch build and I'm wondering if a standard VW adapter plate could be made to fit directly to the transmission. Of course I'd have to either go clutchless or figure out how to mount a throwout lever.
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> Environmental impact... toughy. I'd like more info on energy costs to
> produce/recharge/recycle for these babies, but I'm liking sodium nickel
> chloride. They're claiming 100% recyclable as a nickel-rich feedstock
> to produce stainless steel.  Cells consist of nickel (Ni) and sodium
> chloride (NaCl, or common table salt) electrodes, separated by a ceramic 
> electrolyte.  Sounds fairly benign to me.  Good for maybe 1500
> cycles or approx. five years.

For me, Li-Ion is the holy grail :)  But I do like this time of year, when all 
the weird battery technologies come out to play.

A little while ago we discussed making advanced batteries in peoples' 
basements.  From the description of this NiNaCl battery, it might be easier 
to "home brew" than li-ion or anything else.  Does anyone have more detailed 
knowledge about their construction?  I don't think the thermal management side 
would be a huge stumbling block, and if there are no exotic materials used, 
would it be a feasible project?

Regards,
Evan.
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If you have a good drill press &/or mill and machinist drills and some mills
couldn't one copy virturally any adaptor simply by clamping another piece of
aluminium on to it and drilling thru the existing holes?   Lawrence
Rhodes....
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Roger Stockton wrote:

> Lock Hughes wrote:
> 
> >      Understand Roger... maybe. How `bout this?  If the steel
> > folks are going to use the nickel anyway, aren't the batts 
> > just a temporary "diversion" of the material?  It just gets 
> > used as batts for a while before they get their hands on it? 
> 
> Sure; I'm not debating that it is better that the materials 
> are able to be recovered and reused in the manufacture of 
> something else than to be unrecoverable.
> 
> I am merely questioning the appropriateness of applying the 
> term 'recycle' to a process in which the materials recovered 
> from the product are not reused in the manufacture of another 
> product of the same type.
> 
> The Tetrapak example is perhaps clearer: if the demand for 
> Tetrapak packages vastly outstrips the demand for park 
> benches, and if park benches were not otherwise manufactured 
> from the same raw materials that Tetrapaks are, how 
> sustainable is a 'recycling' program that turns used 
> Tetrapaks into park benches?
> 
> How much different is a battery technology that cannot (or 
> whose manufacturer will not) use their own recycled product 
> in its manufacture?

Hi Roger,

I see your point, but I wouldn't take it quite that far.  I'm
comfortable with a process that reclaims commodity materials that have a
variety of applications.  In fact I guess I prefer that to a process in
which recycling a product depends directly on its own market or the
market for another.  Reclaiming nickel for use in stainless steel, other
nickel alloys, or even other nickel-based battery technologies works for
me.  As long as it doesn't end up in a landfill.

I agree wholeheartedly that any lead battery manufacturer that doesn't
maximize use of recycled lead has some explaining to do.  I will ask
before I buy my next pack.

So far we've only discussed Zebra advanced batteries.  I think they're
promising, but there hasn't been much indication they're a real option
for hobbyist or production EVs anytime soon.  Can anyone comment on
recycling NiZn or LiIon?  I think I've read their electrodes are
plastic-based.  Does that hinder recyclability?  How toxic are these
chemistries?

Chris
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>If you have a good drill press &/or mill and machinist drills and some
mills
>couldn't one copy virturally any adaptor simply by clamping another piece
of
>aluminium on to it and drilling thru the existing holes? 

Your drill can oval out the exist holes just as easy as drilling new holes
so alignment will be just as critical when copying as it is when building
from scratch.

If you have a precision mill with an accurate XY table it would probably be
easier to build from scratch than it is to copy, assuming you had all of the
measurements for where the holes go.
Of course if you have one of those rotating dial gauges used for centering
holes, then alignment for copying is pretty easy.  Anybody know where I can
get one of these that doesn't cost as much as my mini mill?
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--- Begin Message --- Yesterday my wife went to move the blazer and there was no vacuum, yet she didnt' know it until she tried to stop. Luckily it was only moving in the driveway because in at least my 83 blazer it takes a lot of effort for me and the back of my seat to stop the blazer without a vaccum assist.
This I found out after the pump that came with the blazer gave out, and then it's underpowered replacement burned out. Now it seems I may have lost yet another pump, a real OEM vacuum brake assist pump, but I haven't had time to verify what happened. Simplest thing would to be like a train and do a brake test but that only takes care if it dies when it's parked. My wife can't possibly stop quickly if the vacuum is off so I need some kind of early warning buzzer if the vacuum fails. Like if the vacuum is 0 or the vacuum switch goes off and the vacuum pump or pumps don't start.
Though it all reality it might be just time to not let her drive it or get rid of it because there seems to be something unlucky about it or me and it's not worth someone getting hurt, or maybe it's just because it's an old piece of junk.
Mark Hastings
'83 S-10 EV Blazer
www.geocities.com/evblazer
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Thanks for this great info. Some more questions:

Can you use the same adaptor kit for the Advanced DC 8 inch and 9
inch? Also, I've heard the 11 inch Kostov has the same mounting as
the Advanced DC 9 inch, is this true? Does the "little" sepex wound
Kostov have the same mounting pattern, too?

Another question, will the Porsche 911 have the same "magic number"
(fly wheel to mounting surface) distance as the VW?

Thanks for the list wisdom.

On another topic, many of the 924 transaxles were derived from Audi
FWD units, so I would surprised if aircooled VW stuff would fit.

--- Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> Otmar wrote:
> 
> >>> Is the adaptor plate for VW to Advanced DC 9 inch? I think that
> may
> >>> bolt to a Porsche 911 transaxle, do you know for sure?
> >>>
> >> Porsche 911, 912, 914  engines/transmissions are all
> interchangeable 
> >> with the Aircooled VW engines/transmission.  And they are at
> least 
> >> interchangeable with the water cooled boxer engines like the
> Vanagon 
> >> had.
> >>
> >> I don't know about later water cooled Porcshe & VWs though.
> >>
> >> Anybody else know?  For example does the 924S/944 use the same
> bolt 
> >> pattern, etc as the earlier aircooled engine/transmissions?
> >
> >
> > The 911, 930(turbo), 912, 914, VW Type 4, Bug, Bus, Squareback,
> and 
> > (non diesel) Vanagon are all the same bolt pattern but that does
> not 
> > make them interchangeable. The Porsche 911 and 930 use different
> input 
> > splines, and the throwout bearing styles and pilot bearings
> depths 
> > differ some, especially for the 911 and 930s.
> 
> ASh yes, I'd forgotten about the spline issue.  I remember spedding
> a 
> weekend trying to get a 411 engine into my old bus before I
> realized it 
> had a smaller spline on the clutch than the one on the bus. 
> Fortunately 
> the old clutch fit on the new engine.
> 
> >
> > The water cooled engines in Rabbits, Golfs, 944s, 924s, 928s, are
> all 
> > significantly different than the traditional VW bolt pattern.
> >
> That's what I thought.  
> Hmm how about on the transmission end of the drive tube?  I
> understand 
> the 924S/944 has basically the same 915 transmission as the later
> model 
> 911s (well later than the early 70s, what was it 74, 75 when they
> changed?)
> 
> I'm wondering because I have a 924S rear end (well actually the
> whole 
> car) that I want to use for a scratch build and I'm wondering if a 
> standard VW adapter plate could be made to fit directly to the 
> transmission.  Of course I'd have to either go clutchless or figure
> out 
> how to mount a throwout lever.
> 


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You can put a vacuum gauge on it, and just glance at the gauge.  Most auto
parts stores will have the parts and tell you where to put it.  Just don't
tell then its an EV.  I have found at least in CA that auto parts stores
like to help if you put a V8 in your S10 but not if you put a electric
motor. It's a comfort zone issue.  They know about ICE's but not about
electric.  Even though you did not drastically alter the brakes.

Chad
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 7:48 AM
Subject: Is there a Vacuum Dummy Light?


>   Yesterday my wife went to move the blazer and there was no vacuum, yet
she
> didnt' know it until she tried to stop. Luckily it was only moving in the
> driveway because in at least my 83 blazer it takes a lot of effort for me
> and the back of my seat to stop the blazer without a vaccum assist.
>   This I found out after the pump that came with the blazer gave out, and
> then it's underpowered replacement burned out.  Now it seems I may have
lost
> yet another pump, a real OEM vacuum brake assist pump, but I haven't had
> time to verify what happened. Simplest thing would to be like a train and
do
> a brake test but that only takes care if it dies when it's parked. My wife
> can't possibly stop quickly if the vacuum is off so I need some kind of
> early warning buzzer if the vacuum fails. Like if the vacuum is 0 or the
> vacuum switch goes off and the vacuum pump or pumps don't start.
>   Though it all reality it might be just time to not let her drive it or
get
> rid of it because there seems to be something unlucky about it or me and
> it's not worth someone getting hurt, or maybe it's just because it's an
old
> piece of junk.
>
> Mark Hastings
> '83 S-10 EV Blazer
> www.geocities.com/evblazer
>
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Most 911 parts you can put in a 914.
I had a little 914 and replaced most of the drive train and suspension from
that of a 911. With 50 series tires I could U-turn at 60mph no problem.  And
in an EV for that mater.

Just remember not to lift in a corner with a rear engine car, she will take
it even if you can't.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Dymaxion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Porsche vs VW adapter plates -- More questions


> Thanks for this great info. Some more questions:
>
> Can you use the same adaptor kit for the Advanced DC 8 inch and 9
> inch? Also, I've heard the 11 inch Kostov has the same mounting as
> the Advanced DC 9 inch, is this true? Does the "little" sepex wound
> Kostov have the same mounting pattern, too?
>
> Another question, will the Porsche 911 have the same "magic number"
> (fly wheel to mounting surface) distance as the VW?
>
> Thanks for the list wisdom.
>
> On another topic, many of the 924 transaxles were derived from Audi
> FWD units, so I would surprised if aircooled VW stuff would fit.
>
> --- Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Otmar wrote:
> >
> > >>> Is the adaptor plate for VW to Advanced DC 9 inch? I think that
> > may
> > >>> bolt to a Porsche 911 transaxle, do you know for sure?
> > >>>
> > >> Porsche 911, 912, 914  engines/transmissions are all
> > interchangeable
> > >> with the Aircooled VW engines/transmission.  And they are at
> > least
> > >> interchangeable with the water cooled boxer engines like the
> > Vanagon
> > >> had.
> > >>
> > >> I don't know about later water cooled Porcshe & VWs though.
> > >>
> > >> Anybody else know?  For example does the 924S/944 use the same
> > bolt
> > >> pattern, etc as the earlier aircooled engine/transmissions?
> > >
> > >
> > > The 911, 930(turbo), 912, 914, VW Type 4, Bug, Bus, Squareback,
> > and
> > > (non diesel) Vanagon are all the same bolt pattern but that does
> > not
> > > make them interchangeable. The Porsche 911 and 930 use different
> > input
> > > splines, and the throwout bearing styles and pilot bearings
> > depths
> > > differ some, especially for the 911 and 930s.
> >
> > ASh yes, I'd forgotten about the spline issue.  I remember spedding
> > a
> > weekend trying to get a 411 engine into my old bus before I
> > realized it
> > had a smaller spline on the clutch than the one on the bus.
> > Fortunately
> > the old clutch fit on the new engine.
> >
> > >
> > > The water cooled engines in Rabbits, Golfs, 944s, 924s, 928s, are
> > all
> > > significantly different than the traditional VW bolt pattern.
> > >
> > That's what I thought.
> > Hmm how about on the transmission end of the drive tube?  I
> > understand
> > the 924S/944 has basically the same 915 transmission as the later
> > model
> > 911s (well later than the early 70s, what was it 74, 75 when they
> > changed?)
> >
> > I'm wondering because I have a 924S rear end (well actually the
> > whole
> > car) that I want to use for a scratch build and I'm wondering if a
> > standard VW adapter plate could be made to fit directly to the
> > transmission.  Of course I'd have to either go clutchless or figure
> > out
> > how to mount a throwout lever.
> >
>
>
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> I need some kind of early warning buzzer if the vacuum fails.

You have some kind of vacuum sensor already that toggles the 
pump on and off, if you don't mind watching an idiot light
go and and off with the pump when it's working, it would
light up solid if the switch is calling for the pump to come
on but it was inoperative.

Alternatively you can pick up vacuum sensor switches at automotive
electric supplies for various levels of vacuum, pick one that
trips at some nominal vacuum level, say 5Hg, and hook that up
to an idiot light/buzzer.

As a passive means, you can just get a vacuum gauge and watch
it as you go, but you'd have to be disciplined enough to look
before you take off.

Mark Brueggemann
Albuquerque, NM
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S-10 EV
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I have been informed that one of our local Phoenix EAA members will be
featured on one of our local networks with his Ford Ranger 
conversion. For those of you in the Phoenix area, here are the 
details...

KTVK - Channel 3
Saturday, November 16 - 11:30am
During the regular feature "Under the Hood with Mark Salem"

A profile of Glen's Ranger EV can be viewed from the Phoenix EAA page
here: http://www.phoenixeaa.com/photoalbum/streetevs/rector1/



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--- Begin Message --- The pump I have(had?) has it's switch internal so I can't drive anything off of it. I'm going to hunt for a vacuum sensor switch or two so I can have a light and/or buzzer at different levels. Like a light at 10 and buzzer at 2 or something but i'll probably have to get a gauge and working pump first to find out what levels to set them at.


writes:

I need some kind of early warning buzzer if the vacuum fails.
You have some kind of vacuum sensor already that toggles the pump on and off, if you don't mind watching an idiot light
go and and off with the pump when it's working, it would
light up solid if the switch is calling for the pump to come
on but it was inoperative.
Alternatively you can pick up vacuum sensor switches at automotive
electric supplies for various levels of vacuum, pick one that
trips at some nominal vacuum level, say 5Hg, and hook that up
to an idiot light/buzzer.
As a passive means, you can just get a vacuum gauge and watch
it as you go, but you'd have to be disciplined enough to look
before you take off.
Mark Brueggemann
Albuquerque, NM
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
S-10 EV


Mark Hastings
'83 S-10 EV Blazer
www.geocities.com/evblazer
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Would it be possible to get some more pics of his side tilting bed? 
The mechanism is different than most of the conversions that have the
bed tilting toward the back instead.

Does anybody on the list have more complete pics of this truck in their
albums?

Eric


--- Mason Convey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I have been informed that one of our local Phoenix EAA members will
> be
> featured on one of our local networks with his Ford Ranger 
> conversion. For those of you in the Phoenix area, here are the 
> details...
> 
> KTVK - Channel 3
> Saturday, November 16 - 11:30am
> During the regular feature "Under the Hood with Mark Salem"
> 
> A profile of Glen's Ranger EV can be viewed from the Phoenix EAA page
> here: http://www.phoenixeaa.com/photoalbum/streetevs/rector1/
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 


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+ Would it be possible to get some more pics of his side tilting bed? 

If he shows up to our November meeting (4th Saturday) and doesn't
mind, I'll take some close-up shots and post them.



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Folks,

I would assume that this voting process is open for all California EV
drivers, as we are all stakeholders...

Dean

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Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 12:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 'EV1 Club'
Subject: [EV1-CLUB] EV parking sticker contest CAST YOUR VOTE!


Hello Everyone!  We finally have 8 entries for you to choose from.
Please e-mail me (greg at pevdc dot org) your choice for the sticker
by this SUNDAY NIGHT.  If you'd like to include a vote for runner up,
feel
free.  Sunday night I'll tally up the votes and announce the winner.
We'll work with the winner to refine the sticker as needed for DMV..
I mentioned in my last e-mail I think it would be a good idea to include
the www.zevinfo.com web address somewhere on the sticker, we may
pursue that also (room permitting).

Speak now!
Ladies and gentlemen.. cast your votes!

<1> From Wendy Wacker at the DMV, some ideas in a pdf file:
http://www.zefiro.com/ev/contest/dmv.pdf

<2> From Lucas Miller:
http://www.zefiro.com/ev/contest/cleancar.gif

<3> From Bruce Tucker:
http://www.zefiro.com/ev/contest/evcharging1.jpg

<4> From Edward Ang:
http://www.zefiro.com/ev/contest/EV_Parking_Permit.gif

<5> From Karen Josephson:
http://www.zefiro.com/ev/contest/EVsticker_color.jpg

<6> From Darrell Dickey:
http://www.zefiro.com/ev/contest/Sticker1.gif
http://www.zefiro.com/ev/contest/Sticker2.gif
http://www.zefiro.com/ev/contest/Sticker3.gif

<7> From Chip Gribben:
http://www.zefiro.com/ev/contest/ca_zev_sticker.gif

<8> And last but not least, Doug Kerr's 15 year old son Alex:
http://www.zefiro.com/ev/contest/alexsticker.jpg
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Folks,

I forgot to mention in my previous post.  Please send your votes to Greg
at the email address (spelled out in text--you'll have to substitute "@"
for "at", etc.) in my previous message.

Do not send votes or messages to me at this account!  I will not forward
them, as I won't even be checking this account again until Monday (after
the "polls" have closed).

Sorry for the confusion.
Dean
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4.
HYBRID VIGOR
The Bush administration recently gave its stamp of approval to an 
auto industry lawsuit intended to slow the spread of fuel-efficient 
hybrid vehicles in California.  Does this demonstrate the 
administration's fundamental opposition to hybrids?  Au contraire -- 
the White House is chock-full of them.  From the Vice President-Oil 
Biz-CEO Hybrid to the National Security Advisor-Chevron Hybrid, there 
are endless models from which to choose.  To gain a full 
understanding of the future of hybrid technology, come on down and 
check out Mark Fiore's satirical animation, only on the Grist 
Magazine website.

only in Grist:  The Bush administration embraces hybrid technology -- 
animation by Mark Fiore in our Soapbox section
<http://www.gristmagazine.com/soapbox/fiore111502.asp?source=daily>
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Dr.Dustmann of MES-DEA SA was kind enough to reply to my email
requesting price/availability and details on their Zebras.  I am
invited to fill out a questionaire, and I would appreciate any
assistance (I'd promise to keep any interested EVers appraised if I
ever do get to work with these sodium nickel chloride units!).

Here's the questionnaire:
1) Rated Energy         [ kWh ] ...
2) Peak Power   [ kW ]   ...
3) Continuos Power [ kW ]  ...
4) Voltage Range        [V]        ..
5) Capacity             [ Ah ]    ...
6) Dimensions Battery Compartment Lgth [ mm ] .......
                                  Width   [ mm ] ...
                                  Height  [ mm ]....
7) Other Details or Requirements          

    This is for a shuttle service which performs 3,000 trips from late
April to early November, peaking June-August at maybe 20 trips a day. 
Each trip runs non-stop for 12 minutes then stops for 6 minutes then
runs the return 12min. trip. Typically once an hour , so 30 minutes
stopped beside a charger between each trip and stopped again at a
charger between approx.midnight and eight am seven days a week.  

The route is completely flat though there are often strong headwinds
(which turn into strong tailwinds for 50% of those windy trips.)  Speed
is restricted to ten miles an hour for the whole trip.  

(Outside ambient air temperatures range can range from 20F to maybe
100F over the running season, but I understand this is not a concern
for the zebras, and the temperatures in the battery storage areas
remains relatively constant vs the outside air and passenger
compartment anyway - approx. 40F to 70F.)  

There is no regen from braking - in fact it uses power twice each trip 
to brake and reverse/turn around by reversing the motors.

The shuttle service carries 40 persons including driver and passengers
plus gear.  The vehicle weight fully loaded 40,000lbs including motors
and energy storage.  The motors run at only 80% efficient.

In the early and late season the passenger cab will be heated using
"surplus" energy capacity available from fewer trips per day vs the
summer peaks.

I've left out things... (how fast DO these zebras recharge anyway?) but
I hope this doesn't leave a *lot* of variables for energy needs?  The
parts I have obviously left out are the motors and energy storage and
management/charging systems.  

In Dr.Dustmann's questionaire 6)Batts compartment size... well, the
shuttle has a lot of available space with temperate conditions for his
batts, so I don't know what else I can tell him there.

And I hope I can cover 7) Other Details and Requirements... (as above)

It's questions 1) to 5)... 

And I left out the point about this being a ferryboat and not on wheels
but afloat.

I would just like to give the good Doctor a list of specs that make
sense for his batteries!  And get a price and availability from him if
I want the shuttle in service in May 2004.  And know about the
charging/management schemes and projected life of the unit in this
service.

So I'm hoping an initial quote will at least be based on a reasonable
"ballpark" set of figures that agree and make sense to him.

Thank you

Lock

ps... motors at 80% efficiency?  What would be their ratings?

pps... thanks again
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QCYCTender/


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Questions inserted...


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lock Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 8:38 PM
Subject: Zebras - I have a bite, maybe...


> Dr.Dustmann of MES-DEA SA was kind enough to reply to my email
> requesting price/availability and details on their Zebras.  I am
> invited to fill out a questionaire, and I would appreciate any
> assistance (I'd promise to keep any interested EVers appraised if I
> ever do get to work with these sodium nickel chloride units!).
>
> Here's the questionnaire:
> 1) Rated Energy [ kWh ] ..............................
> 2) Peak Power [ kW ]   ..............................
> 3) Continuos Power [ kW ]  ..............................
> 4) Voltage Range  [V]        ......................
> 5) Capacity [ Ah ]    ..............................
> 6) Dimensions Battery Compartment Lgth [ mm ] .....................
>   Width   [ mm ] ..................
>   Height  [ mm ]...................
> 7) Other Details or Requirements
>
>     This is for a shuttle service which performs 3,000 trips from late
> April to early November, peaking June-August at maybe 20 trips a day.
> Each trip runs non-stop for 12 minutes then stops for 6 minutes then
> runs the return 12min. trip. Typically once an hour , so 30 minutes
> stopped beside a charger between each trip and stopped again at a
> charger between approx.midnight and eight am seven days a week.
>
> The route is completely flat though there are often strong headwinds
> (which turn into strong tailwinds for 50% of those windy trips.)  Speed
> is restricted to ten miles an hour for the whole trip.

Do you know how much power is required to push the ferry?
Three numbers are needed:
1) Into the wind,
2) with the wind and
3) with no wind.

If this is an existing service, what size engine is used? How much fuel does
it use?
The fuel usage will give a rough estimate of the energy required to do this
task.
===================================================================
> (Outside ambient air temperatures range can range from 20F to maybe
> 100F over the running season, but I understand this is not a concern
> for the zebras, and the temperatures in the battery storage areas
> remains relatively constant vs the outside air and passenger
> compartment anyway - approx. 40F to 70F.)

This goes in question 7.
===================================================================
> There is no regen from braking - in fact it uses power twice each trip
> to brake and reverse/turn around by reversing the motors.
>
> The shuttle service carries 40 persons including driver and passengers
> plus gear.  The vehicle weight fully loaded 40,000lbs including motors
> and energy storage.  The motors run at only 80% efficient.

What is the sail area of the craft. It makes a big difference in the power
necessary.
===================================================================

> In the early and late season the passenger cab will be heated using
> "surplus" energy capacity available from fewer trips per day vs the
> summer peaks.
>
> I've left out things... (how fast DO these zebras recharge anyway?) but
> I hope this doesn't leave a *lot* of variables for energy needs?  The
> parts I have obviously left out are the motors and energy storage and
> management/charging systems.

Recharge time is governed by the power available and the acceptance rate of
the battery. At low state of charge, the power available is usually the
limit. At high state of charge, the acceptance rate limits the power.
===================================================================

> In Dr.Dustmann's questionaire 6)Batts compartment size... well, the
> shuttle has a lot of available space with temperate conditions for his
> batts, so I don't know what else I can tell him there.

Give him the dimensions of the space. He won't need all of it. The thing
that will likely limit the battery is the weight. As you add weight, your
freeboard is reduced. You need adequate freeboard to keep the water off the
deck in the roughest weather that you are required to operate. Give him a
weight limit in addition to the volume limit.
===================================================================

> And I hope I can cover 7) Other Details and Requirements... (as above)

You will want to tell him the recharge times available like you stated:
Run 12 minutes, rest 6 minutes, run 12 minutes and recharge for 30 minutes.
Repeat 10 to 20 times a day.
Fully recharge overnight

> It's questions 1) to 5)...

4) What is the rated voltage of your motor and speed controller.

3) How many kW are necessary to push the boat into the wind.

2) How many kW do you need when reversing direction or stopping. This is
governed by the pitch of the prop, the motor impedance and the gear ratio
between them. If you have a variable speed control, the peak power
requirement will be less than if you are using contactors.

1) Multiply the answer to #3 by 24 minutes and divide by 60 to get kWh. Add
some reserve capacity for when the batteries age and their capacity goes
down. I would ask for double the requirement given by the formula.

5) Divide the answer in #1 by the answer to #4.

> And I left out the point about this being a ferryboat and not on wheels
> but afloat.

Make that clear. A marine environment requires different plating and
materials on surfaces to last a long time. Be sure you state fresh water or
salt water.

> I would just like to give the good Doctor a list of specs that make
> sense for his batteries!  And get a price and availability from him if
> I want the shuttle in service in May 2004.  And know about the
> charging/management schemes and projected life of the unit in this
> service.
>
> So I'm hoping an initial quote will at least be based on a reasonable
> "ballpark" set of figures that agree and make sense to him.
>
> Thank you
>
> Lock
>
> ps... motors at 80% efficiency?  What would be their ratings?
>
> pps... thanks again
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/QCYCTender/
>
>
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