EV Digest 2654
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by Alan Batie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: emi affetcs brains
by Electro Automotive <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by "garry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: 9 inch at high rpm
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) OT: Hybrid, Switching locomotive
by "Andre Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by "Thomas Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) OT: Moving a Motorcycle
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by "Jon \"Sheer\" Pullen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) RE: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
by "Edward Ang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Martin Marietta Charger
by "Mike Pengelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Electric Supra?
by Richard Bebbington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) G20 van distance record
by "Mike Pengelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: batteries
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: BMS for Li-Ion cells cost question
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Golfcart front bearing rebuild. Tire replacement. Don't forget the
differential. Bearing grease.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) SOT: Re: emi affetcs brains
by "Christopher Meier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: EVLN(Movie: Cody Banks's Silver Volt super-powerful electric car)
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
21) Re: EV's off market - anyone makeing them still
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) Battery pack replacement and telemetry question
by "Christopher Zach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) RE: Martin Marietta Charger
by "Rod Hower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Segway is the answer (what was the question?)
by Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> Phillip Torrone brought his Segway HT to our SEVA meeting Tuesday
>> night...
I thought I might mention how my 6th grade class is coming on their
"Segway". I'm an engineering mentor in a program called BEST (Bridging
Engineers, Science, and Teaching -- see http://www.bestoutreach.org).
We go into classrooms and help the kids design and build their own
electric vehicles, which they race against each other at the end of the
school year.
Like many states, Minnesota passed a special law allowing a "2-wheeled
non-tandem self-balancing" vehicle to be ridden without license,
registration, insurance, helmet, or age limit anywhere that pedestrians
are allowed. Obviously, it was only meant to apply to the Segway. But
the kids decided to build their own vehicle to meet these rules. They
REALLY loved the idea of a vehicle that they can ride even where bikes,
skates, scooters, and skateboards are not allowed!
They built several small models, using different schemes to meet the
rules. The one they settled on is a "car" with only a right-front and
left-rear wheel. The wheels are wide SUV tires, so wide that they act
like rollers and stand up by themselves. The seat and battery are
located very low, to keep the center of gravity below the axles; this
makes it self balancing.
They have a pair of EV Warrior motors, and plan to use one on each side,
driving the wheels with a v-belt. A 2" pulley goes on the motor, and the
v-belt actually fits in the tread grooves in the tire.
They plan to steer it with skid steering; turn on one or the other
motors and/or pull independent brake levers for each side. (I have my
doubts, but the way BEST works is by letting them do the experiments
themselves, and learn by doing).
Anyway, I am very proud of them for trying such an ambitious project.
Just imagine; a team of 6th graders are building a "segway" for perhaps
$100, when Dean Kaman needed $100 million!
--
Lee A. Hart Ring the bells that still can ring
814 8th Ave. N. Forget your perfect offering
Sartell, MN 56377 USA There is a crack in everything
leeahart_at_earthlink.net That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 06:33:34PM +0000, damon henry wrote:
> The only downsides to a Segway that I see are size and price.
And weather. I see them being a lot more popular, maybe even practical,
in areas that don't rain much.
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Hello All
Most of us who are into EVs have spent some time dissing the Segway.
In the case of Roderick and I, we have spent �a lot� of time dissing the
Segway :-)
Unfortunately, the flood of junk ebikes and scooters from Asia has not
helped to get people to adopt conventional two-wheelers.
The wow factor of the Segway and it�s ability to operate �just like� a
pedestrian are major pluses in favor of it. Over ten thousand Segways have
already been sold.
I will respond to a couple of Roderick�s comments:
Roy, since it is called a HT (human transport) and supposedly is for
getting a person from one place to another, then does it have any
advantages over and above a traditional board scooter that has more speed,
more range, better brakes, and which two people can take up the same width
on a sidewalk as one Segway.
The Segway does not have brakes in the conventional sense but it will
certainly stop you just as quick or quicker than a bike or scooter. Most
currently available bikes and scooters do not have regen. You never have to
put your foot down :-). Balancing is not a problem at any speed, even
standing still or just creeping along. You can spin around in circles
without going anywhere. In the near term, LiIon will be available in the
Segway, increasing the range to around 30 miles.
Don't give me that self-balancing act. I have many friends who have that
device installed in their middle ear and it works just fine. Yes, many of
my friends do walk upright with no problem whatsoever. I'm just not buying
it in either respect.
You don�t have to buy it Rod, but I suspect many folks will. The
Jetsons/magic carpet effect is hard to beat with a bike or scooter. (BTW,
you can get insurance for the Segway that is very similar to auto insurance,
try that with a bike or scooter)
You know me personally and how much I detest BS.
Depends on who is doing the BSing Rod. :^D
I would bet that some would change their minds about it after trying it.
Roy LeMeur Seattle WA
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voltages beyond a certain value are suppose to be responsible for causing
some disorders related to the brains as the electromagnetic induction
affects the brains.
does anyone have more info on this?
does anyone know the name of this kind of pollution?
EMF is more associated with AC devices than the kinds of DC systems used in
most conversions.
We have had measurements taken inside our EV conversions while driving have
found insignificant EMF readings. The only significant amounts of EMF were
within three feet of the charger (which has AC input) during
charging. However, this usually happens in the garage or driveway at
night, nowhere near any people.
Shari Prange
Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
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I think the people have been wow'd by the segway and nothing more.
Try this scenario on and see what you think.
An elderly person is leaving a shop while a segway rider is rolling down the
street window shopping.
Without seeing each other they collide, the elderly person is instantly
knocked to the ground and the rider is flung forward over them by momentum
and gravity.
The scooter, not knowing any better, tries to correct the situation and get
itself vertical and so starts accelerating forward to try and get itself
upright, but of course there is someone in the way so it cant.
It reaction time is quick so even in the few short moments the rider is
falling it has kicked the person on the ground a dozen times or more at full
throttle.
No matter now nifty it may seem, the very first time this happens and you
know from scooter laws and skate laws that it will, because they were put in
place to prevent exactly this from happening, the local authorities will
wake up and see it for the menace it can be and it will be banned.
Garry Stanley
Cable.net.nz
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Roderick Wilde wrote:
...
> At 336 volts the 9 inch was trying to spin to well over twenty
> thousand RPMs
> but at around twelve it let go and scattered com bars all over the
> pavement. When the motor is trying to reach back EMF it "tries
> harder". In other words it draws amps (torque) over a broader range
> thus flattening out the torque curve and of course it feels just
> wonderful!
>
> Roderick
As I read all this it also feels just as wonderful not to deal
with comm bars at all...
Victor, the AC man.
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Garry Stanley wrote:
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I think the people have been wow'd by the segway and nothing more.
Try this scenario on and see what you think.
An elderly person is leaving a shop while a segway rider is rolling down the
street window shopping.
Without seeing each other they collide, the elderly person is instantly
knocked to the ground and the rider is flung forward over them by momentum
and gravity.
The scooter, not knowing any better, tries to correct the situation and get
itself vertical and so starts accelerating forward to try and get itself
upright, but of course there is someone in the way so it cant.
It reaction time is quick so even in the few short moments the rider is
falling it has kicked the person on the ground a dozen times or more at full
throttle.
No matter now nifty it may seem, the very first time this happens and you
know from scooter laws and skate laws that it will, because they were put in
place to prevent exactly this from happening, the local authorities will
wake up and see it for the menace it can be and it will be banned.
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First I will say that I do not plan on getting involved in defending the
Segway or any of the hype and politics that surround it.
The above scenario is based on many non-factual assumptions concerning the
operation of the Segway.
The writer may want to consider aquiring the facts before concocting a
fantasy scene like this.
Roy LeMeur Seattle WA
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Bruce may have already covered this story, if so I missed it.
Looks like a good application for a series hybrid.
http://www.sedar.com/csfsprod/data35/filings/00504568/00000001/e:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%5CP%5CP%5C1227p4.pdf
http://www.trainscan.com/news/scan/s0110/index.html#GGOAT
http://www.tc.gc.ca/tdc/publication/pdf/14000/14016e.pdf
Andre' B. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If something cannot be defined, it does not exist.
Isaac Newton
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An interesting scenario. Would the Segway really try to kick the
elderly person to death?
Consider a slightly different scene. Substitute a 350-lb professional
wrestler for the elderly person. The wrestler gets back up and
proceeds to dismantle the scooter with no tools except his bare hands.
When the Segway owner complains, the wrestler offers to dismantle
him if he doesn't shut up. This scenario might be fun to watch.
Tom Shay
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From: "garry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
> I think the people have been wow'd by the segway and nothing more.
>
> Try this scenario on and see what you think.
>
> An elderly person is leaving a shop while a segway rider is rolling down
the
> street window shopping.
>
> Without seeing each other they collide, the elderly person is instantly
> knocked to the ground and the rider is flung forward over them by momentum
> and gravity.
>
> The scooter, not knowing any better, tries to correct the situation and
get
> itself vertical and so starts accelerating forward to try and get itself
> upright, but of course there is someone in the way so it cant.
>
> It reaction time is quick so even in the few short moments the rider is
> falling it has kicked the person on the ground a dozen times or more at
full
> throttle.
>
> No matter now nifty it may seem, the very first time this happens and you
> know from scooter laws and skate laws that it will, because they were put
in
> place to prevent exactly this from happening, the local authorities will
> wake up and see it for the menace it can be and it will be banned.
>
>
>
> Garry Stanley
>
> Cable.net.nz
>
>
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Hello,
This is off topic, but since I have seen so much knowledge of shipping
vehicles on this list over the years, I thought I would just ask if anyone
has any ideas for cheaply shipping a small motorcycle (250cc) from Atlanta
to Denver. Please respond off-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks
Carl Clifford
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> Garry Stanley wrote:
> ------------------------------
> I think the people have been wow'd by the segway and nothing more.
>
> Try this scenario on and see what you think.
>
> An elderly person is leaving a shop while a segway rider is rolling down
the
> street window shopping.
>
> Without seeing each other they collide, the elderly person is instantly
> knocked to the ground and the rider is flung forward over them by momentum
> and gravity.
>
> The scooter, not knowing any better, tries to correct the situation and
get
> itself vertical and so starts accelerating forward to try and get itself
> upright, but of course there is someone in the way so it cant.
>
> It reaction time is quick so even in the few short moments the rider is
> falling it has kicked the person on the ground a dozen times or more at
full
> throttle.
>
> No matter now nifty it may seem, the very first time this happens and you
> know from scooter laws and skate laws that it will, because they were put
in
> place to prevent exactly this from happening, the local authorities will
> wake up and see it for the menace it can be and it will be banned.
> --------------------------------------
>
>
>
> First I will say that I do not plan on getting involved in defending the
> Segway or any of the hype and politics that surround it.
>
> The above scenario is based on many non-factual assumptions concerning the
> operation of the Segway.
>
> The writer may want to consider aquiring the facts before concocting a
> fantasy scene like this.
I'm not a huge segway fan either, and I do think they will occasionally
present a hazard on the street, but I think the scenereo Mr. Stanley
presents is a bit unlikely. ;-)
By dint of the vehicle's fairly light weight, being hit by a segway wouldn't
be any different from being hit by a bicycle at 12 mph. Bruises maybe,
broken bones probably not. Certainly it's a far, far better thing than being
hit by a car, even if you're in another car.
Also, the segway has some fairly sophisticated software, and under most
circumstances would (from what I understand) detect a loss of control by the
rider and bring itself to a stop, not repeatedly try to accelerate forward.
In fact, what's most likely in this scenereo is the segway would hit the
person, the user of the segway would realize the collision had occured and
lean back (it's instinct), and the segway would brake to a stop and back up
a few inches. If the user were thrown from the segway by the collision, the
segway would go into 'lame duck' mode and eventually fall over.
I don't think the segway is any more unsafe than a bicycle in this regard.
My inclination would be to say that it should be governed by the same laws
that govern where a bicycle can be operated and in what manner. It has a
much lower top speed than even a bicycle - 12 miles an hour is a fast jog.
Contrary to the hype, it has manual steering (i.e. there's a 'steering knob'
on the left hand).
I like the segway because it introduces the concept of electric vehicles to
those who haven't thought about them yet. Aside from that, it's just a
scooter - only leaning controls the X axis and you manually control the Y
axis, instead of the other way around. They're not any more dangerous than
any other type of scooter, in my opinion.
S.
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All these discussions of the safety issue of Segway reminded me about
something I read a few months ago -- if bicycles and motorcycles were
invented now instead of more than a hundred years ago, we would never allow
them on the streets. They are just too dangerous! They take a long time to
learn to operate. And, everyone falls the first time he/she tries it.
I think a Segway is much safer than a electric scooter, a bicycle, or a
motorcycle. If you could run on the sidewalks, you've got to be able to
ride a Segway on the sidewalks. And, if someone would buy a HUMVEE H2,
someone would buy a Segway.
Ed Ang
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One of the local EVers in the Phoenix area has a G20 van with a Martin
Marietta charger. Unfortunately, he smoked it pretty bad. The charger has
a control board which is all surface mount driving what appears to be an IR
IGBT module. Does anyone have any info on this charger. Are there
schematics or parts available?
Mike Pengelly
Phoenix, AZ
'90 Mustang EV
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Seth,
Well, you will have a relatively safe ar as it will have large brakes
and rugged components that can deal with battery mass, with some
tradeoff being higher rolling losses with the bigger parts, more mass
and I assume wider tires. I think a manual box and clutch shouldn't be
too hard to retrofit. Unless you want the automatic.
I bet it overheats because the water pump impeller is loose on the
shaft. It will work at tickover, but slip at elevated speed. But don't
tell him that or you will lose a nice conversion donor ;)
Seth
Thanks for the tip about the water pump. I found out that when
the head-gasket was fixed, they found the thermostat had either
fallen apart, or had been modified - it was basically just the
carrier plate, with a big hole in it. So maybe this car's
had this latent problem since before my friend bought it, and it
only surfaced again once the thermostat was replaced.
I did some more digging on the Net, and briefly saw the car again today
on the way back from work. The weight of this car is a bit scary, at
3500 lbs!! , but I wonder how much of that is in the huge
turboed 3.0 litre engine?
Anyway, I now know the transmission's an electronically controlled
4 speed auto, with overdrive and **locking** torque converter.
So doing the kind of conversion where the motor idles to run the
power steering and ABS pump would be ok, at speed I could lock the
converter to stop it wasting power. Otmar's new baby Zilla with
it's hairball interface would probably fit the bill perfectly for
controlling the motors and the transmission...
There really is heaps of room for batteries - both under the hood and
sunk into the trunk floor... I guess the real issue is the cost of the
battery pack needed to shift a 3000-to-4000 lbs vehicle. Another issue
might be the ABS brakes... anyone know anything about Mk3 Supras?
Looks like I've got lots of thinking to do... maybe I'd be better off
just fixing it, drive it for a while then sell it on...
But what a conversion it would make!
Richard Bebbington
Electric Mini pickup
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The owner here in Phoenix of the G20 van just sent me an email telling me
about a distance run he just made on a 5 mile closed track. He has changed
the battery pack to 3 strings of surplus 34Ahr NiCad cells. He was able to
go 92.3 miles, which for this 8000 lb. van is a bit of an accomplishment.
The battery pack is a little lighter than the original lead acid pack, but
is the largest collection of buss bars you can imagine.
Mike Pengelly
Phoenix, AZ
'90 Mustang EV
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veena wrote:
i have a few queries related to batteries.
1. i have a flooded lead acid battery pack. i read in a book about the
partial state of charge operation of the batteries. can i operate my battery
on PSOC even though there was no such thought when the battery was designed
and made? at the end of the day, i will however full cahrge and also
equalise the pack.
I am not sure if this is what you mean, but...
yes, you can use opportunity charging. That is, you can drive a bit,
then charge back up a bit (to a partial state of charge), then drive
some more, and so on. This works fine as long as you do a complete
charge that night. The batteries should not sit around at a partial
state of charge for a prolonged time. You will also need a "fuel" meter
that keeps track of such partial charging correctly.
2. the container is made of hard rubber and i hardly have any space in my
car for 4 batteries that need to be put in series. would it be ok if i had
very little gap between the batteries. ofcourse, the car will only be tested
once in a while.
I pack my batteries close together, as it helps keep them warm in the
cold winters where I am. However, if it is always hot where you are,
leaving space for air on the sides would help keep the battery
temperature down. If you only will be using it occasionally, packing 4
tight together with just airflow across the top should be fine.
_________
Jim Coate
1992 Chevy S10
1970's Elec-Trak
http://www.eeevee.com
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I think I would be happy with $500 for my Pb set if it with out last the
batteries . Mybe with all this intrest in BMS 's there will be enough
people to do a run a Lee's printed curicut boards . To me being able to
charge while driving is very inportan.
I am still toying with the Idea of a transfromer with 20 out puts and a fet
on each one with some kind of regulator that would compare pack voltage to
bat voltage and trun on fet if said bat is lower that average pack voltage.
At 15,000 cycles the transfromers would be small and just a few truns of
wire >(how manuy?)
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From: "Victor Tikhonov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "ev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:46 PM
Subject: BMS for Li-Ion cells cost question
> Fellows,
>
> Since relatively few of us have ability knowledge skills or time
> to design and build a BMS, but everyone has ability to pay for it,
> probably first group or people will come up with BMS solution for the
> second group.
>
> Question: how much will you be willing to spend for basic BMS
> which only protects your cells from overcharge and keeps them fairly
> in balance, but nothing else?
>
> It should allow you to plug in your EV for charge and forget it,
> but no fancy displays, data collection, downloads etc. Indication
> is minimal, like one or two "idiot light" LEDs marked
> "Attention needed" or "Alarm" or similar.
>
> Let say your LiIon pack is $5k.
>
> Will you buy basic BMS for it for $1k (20% of the pack cost)?
>
> For $500 (10% of the pack cost) ?
>
> For $250 (5%) ?
>
> Only for less than $250?
>
>
> Also, if your pack cost is twice as much - $10k, will you be
> willing to pay more for BMS (may not be twice, but more)?
>
> Please what is your decision criteria in general?
> Few people are developing stuff for you and what you may get
> largely depends on your answers.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Victor
>
>
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OK. There are generic seals that fit. I had to change to bronze spacers.
I took out the races. That was the problem. But for Eleven bucks each I
replaced both sides and the bearings. Seals come tomorrow. I did have to
machine the spacers but bronze cuts so easy. They run smooth but what kind
of bearing grease? Is there a synthetic bearing grease that works well with
this system? Lawrence Rhodes...
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From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: Golfcart front bearing rebuild. Tire replacement. Don't forget
the differential.
> This is exactlly what I figured out on my own. I didn't figure out the 99
> degree drilling. I guess I'll drill one hole put a pin through so I can
> line it up. The seal is a metal dust cap with a close tolerance. It just
> means more matainance unless I can find a source for seals that are
generic.
> Lawrence Rhodes.....----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Golfcart front bearing rebuild. Tire replacement. Don't
forget
> the differential.
>
>
> > My background is in motorcycles and vintage Bugs. Typically, the axle is
> > drilled twice for cotter keys 90 degrees apart. If a castelated
> > (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/mjvanvoorhis/T520.htm) nut is
> > used, there are 12 positions per turn of the nut where a cotter key can
be
> > inserted to hold the nut in place.
> >
> > The spacer is critical to making the assembly survive. The outer
diameter
> > fits the seal that keeps water and dirt out. The inner diameter must fit
> > snugly on the axle so it does not wobble during turns. The length of the
> > spacer needs to keep the fork from touching anything except the spacer
and
> > axle. Make one if you can't find one. Make sure it has a smooth finish
on
> > the outside so it does not tear up the seal.
> >
> > Joe Smalley
> > Rural Kitsap County WA
> > Fiesta 48 volts
> > NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: Golfcart front bearing rebuild. Tire replacement. Don't
> forget
> > the differential.
> >
> >
> > > Cotter keys? Oh man. This baby needs some attention. The axle just
> had
> > > two nuts. One on each side. I need to drill two holes in the axle
and
> > get
> > > some cotter bolts.(is that what they are called?) Loosing an axle
isn't
> > > fun. Next step. Checking out the differential. What oil(synthetic I
> > > hope)to put in a 60's vintage cart differential. Lawrence
> > Rhodes..........
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:39 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Golfcart front bearing rebuild. Tire replacement.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jack the front end up.
> > > > Loosen the axle nuts a couple turns each.
> > > > Spin the tire by hand.
> > > > Tighten nuts a little bit at a time until it spins down slightly
> slower
> > > than
> > > > with the nuts loose. (this indicates the onset of binding)
> > > > Back off about 1/12 turn on each axle nut.
> > > > If lash is OK, install the cotter keys.
> > > > Remove jack.
> > > >
> > > > Joe Smalley
> > > > Rural Kitsap County WA
> > > > Fiesta 48 volts
> > > > NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 12:18 AM
> > > > Subject: Golfcart front bearing rebuild. Tire replacement.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I am not quit sure how
> > > > > to adjust the bearings. It seems that tapping the dust cap down
> > untill
> > > > the
> > > > > play stops might be the way. The fork just has two tubular holes
to
> > put
> > > > the
> > > > > axle thru. It rolled easily but one of the bearings is trashed
and
> > > making
> > > > a
> > > > > thumping noise so I figure it could be better. Anybody point me
in
> > the
> > > > > right direction for assistance? I know where to get the bearings.
> > > > > Adjustment is the problem.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Slightly off-topic...
A number of years back when I was racing NASCAR WRS
in the Pro-4 Modifieds Division (before I discovered EV's),
I forgot to wear my earplugs in one of the feature events. One
of the other competitors had recently reconfigured his exhaust
by terminating a header with a short pipe, which pointed out
the left of the vehicle. I discovered as he passed me that it
pointed almost directly in the right window area of my race
car, and as he went by, I nearly blacked out from the pain
it induced in my right ear, and to a lesser degree, my left. I
was not amused. Couldn't hear well for a few days...
If we'd been driving EV's... (obligatory EV tie-in)...
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: emi affetcs brains
> John, I know just what you mean. When I was in a hurry to get "Silent
> Thunder" ready for Bonneville I got hooked up to over 200 volts and
couldn't
> get loose for a moment. I was totally mellow for two whole days and got to
> finally understand how normal people live.
>
> Roderick
>
> Roderick Wilde, President, EV Parts Inc.
> Your Online EV Superstore
> www.evparts.com
> 1-888-EV Parts (387-2787)
> Phone: 360-385-7966 Fax: 360-385-7922
> PO Box 221, 107 Louisa Street
> Port Townsend, WA 98368
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Wayland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 11:13 PM
> Subject: Re: emi affetcs brains
>
>
> > Hello to All,
> >
> > veena wrote:
> >
> > > hi all
> > >
> > > voltages beyond a certain value are suppose to be responsible for
> causing
> > > some disorders related to the brains as the electromagnetic induction
> > > affects the brains.
> > >
> >
> > Is that what's wrong with me? Every since I ran at 408V my bwain hasm'tt
> werked kwyte
> > wite.....
> >
> > See Ya...John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
>
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Standard Trojans !!!!!
Why didn't it have Bob's Tripolar Lead Cobalt Batteries ????????????
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:59:24 -0500 "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
> I was in Fort Lauderdale at Robert Aronson's place one day while at
> the EV
> convention in December and rode in the Silver Volt when it cameback
> from
> making the movie. It was a buick modified with an auto tranny and
> standard
> Trojans with about 30 miles standard range for this heavy vehicle,
> not the
> 240 miles range claimed.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce EVangel Parmenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:51 AM
> Subject: EVLN(Movie: Cody Banks's Silver Volt super-powerful
> electric car)
>
>
> > EVLN(Movie: Cody Banks's Silver Volt super-powerful electric car)
> > [The Internet Electric Vehicle List News. For Public EV
> informational
> > purposes. Contact publication for reprint rights.]
> > --- {EVangel}
> >
>
http://www.calendarlive.com/movies/reviews/cl-et-thomas14mar14,0,6605423.
sto
> ry?coll=cl-home-more-channels
> > March 14, 2003 MOVIE REVIEW 'Cody Banks' has access to gadgets
> >
> > * Displaying plenty of technical finesse, "Agent Cody Banks" may
> be
> > targeted at teens, but even their grandparents might consider it
> > fun. 'Cody Banks' 'Cody Banks' (Diyah Pera) By Kevin Thomas,
> Times
> > Staff Writer
> >
> > Don't mess with Cody Banks, who combines the karate skills of
> Jackie
> > Chan with enough gadgetry and stunts for three James Bond movies.
> He
> > may sound like Superman, but there's a catch: He's a nice, normal,
> > middle-class Seattle high school kid who's about 16 but looks
> > younger.
> >
> > Back when he was a mere 13, Cody answered an ad in a magazine
> > devoted to spies and wound up at a summer camp run by the CIA as
> > part of its agent development plan. The notion that the CIA would
> be
> > recruiting teenagers -- and without their parents' knowledge -- is
> > pretty creepy, but then can anything really be called incredible
> in
> > today's world?
> >
> > In any case, the idea of a teenage 007 is the starting point for
> > "Agent Cody Banks," a clever and lively action-adventure with a
> warm
> > sense of humor and smart dialogue that allows for an affectionate
> > and fleet-footed satire of the classic elements of the Bond
> > franchise. It works remarkably well considering this is not
> entirely
> > new territory, thanks to Robert Rodriguez's "Spy Kids" movies.
> >
> > In a bravura opening sequence, the filmmakers shrewdly establish
> > that Frankie Muniz's Cody may be a normal guy but is far from
> > ordinary when he exhibits the derring-do of an old-time
> cliffhanging
> > serial in rescuing an infant from a car running out of control
> down
> > a steep midtown Seattle street. Not surprisingly, Cody is nowhere
> to
> > be found when the frantic mother is eager to thank her child's
> > savior.
> >
> > Presently, Ronica (Angie Harmon), Cody's tough, statuesque
> > "handler," has an assignment for him: He's got to woo the pretty
> > daughter (Hilary Duff) of a scientist (Martin Donovan), a
> > world-renowned nanotechnologist, which means that he is developing
> > microscopic robots with the power to destroy the world. Donovan's
> > Dr. Connors is backed by ERIS, a shadowy research enterprise with
> a
> > truly amazing laboratory hidden in the Cascade mountains and run
> by
> > the decidedly sinister Brinkman (Ian McShane) and his thuggish
> > henchman Molay (Arnold Vosloo), blind in his right eye and scarred
> > across his neck. Donovan's Dr. Connors has to be pretty obtuse
> ever
> > to do business with such blatantly bad guys.
> >
> > There is a hitch in the CIA's plan to get to Connors through his
> > daughter: Cody may be otherwise fearless, but when it comes to
> girls
> > he's hopelessly tongue-tied. To save the world, Cody first has to
> > overcome his shyness and develop self-confidence with the opposite
> > sex.
> >
> > As for all those gadgets at Cody and Ronica's disposal, they
> include
> > Snow Hawks, which look to be jet-propelled skis, the Solotrek XFV
> > (Exoskeletal Flying Vehicle) and the Silver Volt, Cody's
> > super-powerful electric car.
> > [ http://www.electricauto.com/SV_Movie/images/index.3.jpg ]
> >
> > Amazingly, these vehicles actually exist. As one would expect of a
> > secret agent worth his salt, Cody carries magnetic X-ray
> sunglasses
> > (which enable him to see through girls' clothes right to their
> > Victoria's Secrets), wears suction-cup shoes so he can walk on
> > ceilings, and has a wristwatch equipped with stun rays.
> >
> > The film is studded with energetic action sequences in which all
> > these items and more are put to use, both in everyday locales, and
> > in dramatic, large-scale laboratories and on snowy mountain
> slopes.
> >
> > Working with a script by many hands, director Harald Zwart imposes
> > an easy, flowing style and a unified vision on the material, which
> > strikes a smooth balance between Cody's routine family life and
> his
> > fantastic exploits, presented with just the right degree of
> > tongue-in-cheekery. Similarly, Harmon's adamantine Ronica, Keith
> > David's swaggering CIA director, and McShane and Vosloo's villains
> > are not to be taken too seriously.
> >
> > Yet Duff's lovely, spontaneous Natalie Connors and especially
> Muniz
> > remain down-to-earth, likable teens. The film ultimately rests on
> > the resilient shoulders of Muniz. Well-designed and displaying
> > plenty of technical finesse, "Agent Cody Banks" may be targeted at
> > teens, but even their grandparents might consider it fun.
> >
> > 'Agent Cody Banks'
> > MPAA Rating: PG, for action violence, mild language and some
> sexual
> > content.
> >
> > Times guidelines: Action emphasizes spectacle more than violence.
> > Language and sexual allusions are mild.
> > Frankie Muniz...Cody Banks
> > Hilary Duff...Natalie Connors
> > Angie Harmon...Ronica Miles
> > Keith David...CIA Director
> > Ian McShane...Brinkman
> > An MGM presentation of a Splendid Pictures/Maverick Films/Dylan
> > Sellers production. Director Harald Zwart. Producers David C.
> > Glasser, Andreas Klein, Guy Oseary, Dylan Sellers, David Nicksay.
> > Executive producers Mark Morgan, Jason Alexander, Jennifer
> > Birchfield-Eick, Kerry David, Danny Gold, Michael Jackman,
> Madonna,
> > Bob Yari. Screenplay Ashley Edward Miller & Zack Stentz and Scott
> > Alexander & Larry Karaszewski; from a story by Jeffrey Jurgensen.
> > Cinematographer Denis Crossan. Editor Jim Miller. Music John
> Powell.
> > Stunt coordinator Scott Ateah. Visual effects supervisor Raymond
> > McIntyre Jr. Costumes Suzanne McCabe. Production designer Rusty
> > Smith. Art director Kelvin Humenny. Set decorator Lesley Beale.
> > In general release.
> > -
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Not in this country.
I would suggest buying a used EV from someone who doess not want to put
in a new battery pack. Just about any conversion will do for only 8
miles to work.
Check with your local EV club.
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:15:24 -0800 (PST) Mike Burgess
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I've been involved and interested in alternative energy
> for a couple of years in Los Angeles, but on a budget.
> I'll be moveing to about 8 miles from work soon, and was
> pushing my employer to install some EV chargeing stations,
> but now I see that Ford & Toyota have pulled their EV's off
> the market - anyone else making an mass market EV that an
> ordinary person can afford? The EV-1 was about the right
> size of what I wanted, but I guess I'm too late for them too.
>
> Traffic in LA is bad enough I can't bicycle the trip anymore,
> at 2 miles I could take enough back streets, but 8 miles is
> major streets with wacky drivers is out of my safety envelope.
> The GEM would not be a safe alternative, in the style of traffic
> I'm looking at.
>
> I've got a pickup truck for camping and hauling, and girlfriend
> has CRX for long trips, I need to get away from the 12mpg in the
> truck. (98 dodge dakota - way too heavy to dream of converting to
> EV.)
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Well, now that I have the MagneCharger working (and can finally charge the
Hawkers properly) I think I will replace the pack. 50 new batteries, along
with two spares are on order.
What finally convinced me was reviewing the telemetry that I collected on
the batteries. I can see that one string has a number of batteries weaker
than the other. Replacing those batteries will simply put the pack further
and further out of balance.
However with the pack down, I would like to build a monitoring circuit so I
can watch the new batteries in action. Question: Does anyone make a small,
simple circult to read a battery's voltage and output it in digital form?
My first thought was to run 50 wires into a bus from the batteries, then out
to a connection port. However this unnerves me a bit, since it would be
putting 300 volt potential outside the pack and bypassing the normal
interlocks. Another issue was fitting 50 fuses and 50 wires and so forth.
Any thoughts on building a sealed telemetry system so I can watch the
batteries?
Chris
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I have schematics of the TEVan charger without PFC control.
I'm not sure which version you have, but I can forward the
schematics of the non PFC version.
I wrote the software for the TEVan, I'm not sure what the G20
has for software however.
The Martin Marietta charger was designed for the TEVan although
I don't know if the earlier version has the same hardware.
Rod
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Mike Pengelly
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Martin Marietta Charger
One of the local EVers in the Phoenix area has a G20 van with a Martin
Marietta charger. Unfortunately, he smoked it pretty bad. The charger has
a control board which is all surface mount driving what appears to be an IR
IGBT module. Does anyone have any info on this charger. Are there
schematics or parts available?
Mike Pengelly
Phoenix, AZ
'90 Mustang EV
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Re: Rode a Segway HT Yesterday
From: Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:45:04 -0800
Roy, since it is called a HT (human transport) and supposedly is for
getting a person from one place to another, then does it have any
advantages over and above a traditional board scooter that has more
speed, more range, better brakes, and which two people can take up the
same width on a sidewalk as one Segway. Don't give me that self
balancing act. I have many friends who have that device installed in
their middle ear and it works just fine. Yes, many of my friends do walk
upright with no problem whatsoever. I'm just not buying it in either
respect. You know me personally and how much I detest BS.
Roderick
The advantage is that is is more complex, more expensive and more exotic
than board scooters or E-bikes that might transport 1 person equally
well (or better).
I believe the main market for the Segway will be the guy (or girl) who
wants to move around on the sidewalk but doesn't want to be confused
with those proles who walk because the have to.
It'll be cool to be the first on your block, less cool when everyone has
one and the sidewalks are gridlocked like the streets.
I want a photo of one parked outside an expensive health club....
Don't get me wrong, as an engineer I admire the job they've done, it
looks to be an excellent design properly executed, a solution to a
problem that many of us didn't know we had...
--
Andrew King
Ann Arbor Michigan
technology is the answer, what was the question?
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