EV Digest 2890
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: OT: Fuel Cell Laptop
by "Coallier, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Back East Drag Race
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Fuel Cell Laptop/What type of fuel will fool cells need to become fuel cells.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: LiIon conclusions
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: OT: Fuel Cell Laptop
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Contactor for a Curtis
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
7) 2003 NEDRA Power of DC Part II
by Chip Gribben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) EVLN(Yamaha Escooter dealership network)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Fuel Cell Laptop/What type of fuel will fool cells need to become fuel cells.
by "Mark Abramowitz"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Orbital YT Wannabes NOW hi current NiCad
by Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Tilley and his Delorean
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Orbital YT Wannabes NOW hi current NiCad
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
13) Re: Questions about Russco Chargers
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Orbital YT Wannabes (was Long trip)
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Orbital YT Wannabes (was Long trip)
by Nathaniel Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Orbital YT Wannabes (was Long trip)
by Seth Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Orbital YT Wannabes (was Long trip)
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Cross country success
by "Dave Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) K&W BC-20 Charger Failure?
by "Mark Hastings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Someone bought it?
by "The Levine Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) test
by Paul G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Mini Hydrolic Pump
by "Chris Crouch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) RE: test
by "Mike Brandon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) RE: real time wh/mile meter?
by "Bryan Avery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: K&W BC-20 Charger Failure?
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: RS-232 DMM
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: real time wh/mile meter?
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Orbital YT Wannabes NOW hi current NiCad
by "Joe Smalley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) EVLN(nEVs don't need special charging stations)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) EVLN(Reva 15-seater Electric Mini-bus)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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As a frequent laptop user, I'd have to disagree.
Of course at times when there's a plug available you'd plug in, but there are
situations where there are none available. Transoceanic flights in economy class,
long drives, and offroad trips where you would have some use for a laptop would all be
examples of this.
Just like EVs, you may not want to use them everywhere (at least until range and
charge time improve) , but where they make sense they make good sense.
.Steve Coallier
"Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway!"
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From: Sam Thurber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: OT: Fuel Cell Laptop
I can't imagine anybody opting for more expensive fuel
cells and heading to the local "methanol cartridge"
store every 4 to 40 hours instead of just plugging in
the laptop. If some niche application really needs 24
hour battery life, why not just buy two or three
lithium batteries, leave a few on a charger and just
swap them. This sounds like pure hype to attrack niave
investors to me.
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How can they really support this claim on a fuel
> cell powered by a
> "cartridge of methanol fuel"?
> "Fuel cells produce electricity without generating
> pollutants, through an
> electrochemical reaction that uses oxygen and
> hydrogen."
>
> Only if they start off with H2 and introduce O2 from
> the air can they end up
> with H2O, which needs to go somewhere (like the
> drippy EV1 when it's
> charging on a hot day). If they are using methanol,
> then they will
> definately have other byproducts - the major
> problem/limitation of the fuel
> cell technology.
>
> Still think we are better off sticking with
> batteries - already proven and
> currently in production.
>
> -Ed Thorpe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Coallier, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:11 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Fuel Cell Laptop
>
>
> Available next year...
>
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=528&ncid=528&e=1&u=/ap/20030
> 630/ap_on_hi_te/fuel_cell_laptop
>
> It claims 40 hours on a single fuel cartridge. Much
> better than that silly
> ICE idea, huh?
>
> .Steve Coallier
> "Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway!"
>
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The Orange Dragster got 10.9 seconds in the 1/4 mile.
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From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Back East Drag Race
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > WAY TO GO SHAWN LAWLESS and ORANGE JUICE Dennis Kilowatt Berube
>
> Dennis, Just what where the records set at the power of DC????
>
> We know, the list doesn't yet.
>
> We need the story behind this also, it's worth telling, Can we Con Shawn
> into telling it himself???
>
>
> --
> Rich Rudman
> Manzanita Micro
> www.manzanitamicro.com
> 1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
>
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That is Methanol. A much better source of energy than hydrogen. Has anyone
done the efficiency of a methanol fuel cell. Seems that it will be better
than hydrogen. Lawrence Rhodes......
Subject: Fuel Cell Laptop
> Available next year...
>
>
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=528&ncid=528&e=1&u=/ap/20030
630/ap_on_hi_te/fuel_cell_laptop
>
> It claims 40 hours on a single fuel cartridge. Much better than that
silly ICE idea, huh?
>
> .Steve Coallier
> "Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway!"
>
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Mark Fowler wrote:
...
> They come strapped together in a pack of four, and could be easily wired up as a
> 14.4V pack.
> (Or separated and packed together in whatever size you liked)
>
> Mark
They asked before shipping how do I want them to be strapped;
they could do groups of 2, 6, 8, or any odd number for that matter.
Strapping has nothing to do with electrical interconnects.
Victor
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My very generic Dell runs for 9 hours with 2 LiIon
batteries inserted in it. If I carry 2 more with
me when on a long trip, it will run longer than I can
stay awake.
I'd say while it well may work it's a technology demonstration
rather than practical thing.
Victor
Sam Thurber wrote:
>
> I can't imagine anybody opting for more expensive fuel
> cells and heading to the local "methanol cartridge"
> store every 4 to 40 hours instead of just plugging in
> the laptop. If some niche application really needs 24
> hour battery life, why not just buy two or three
> lithium batteries, leave a few on a charger and just
> swap them. This sounds like pure hype to attrack niave
> investors to me.
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > How can they really support this claim on a fuel
> > cell powered by a
> > "cartridge of methanol fuel"?
> > "Fuel cells produce electricity without generating
> > pollutants, through an
> > electrochemical reaction that uses oxygen and
> > hydrogen."
> >
> > Only if they start off with H2 and introduce O2 from
> > the air can they end up
> > with H2O, which needs to go somewhere (like the
> > drippy EV1 when it's
> > charging on a hot day). If they are using methanol,
> > then they will
> > definately have other byproducts - the major
> > problem/limitation of the fuel
> > cell technology.
> >
> > Still think we are better off sticking with
> > batteries - already proven and
> > currently in production.
> >
> > -Ed Thorpe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Coallier, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:11 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Fuel Cell Laptop
> >
> >
> > Available next year...
> >
> >
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=528&ncid=528&e=1&u=/ap/20030
> > 630/ap_on_hi_te/fuel_cell_laptop
> >
> > It claims 40 hours on a single fuel cartridge. Much
> > better than that silly
> > ICE idea, huh?
> >
> > .Steve Coallier
> > "Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway!"
> >
>
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Is there any reason that I can't put a contactor on the B- side of a Curtis 1209B
instead of the B+ side? It doesn't look like it would mater electricaly but physically
it makes my life easier.
thanks,
Steve
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Part II was supposed to be about the different heats and races we had during
the day but in my wife's enthusiasm for keeping track of the results she
took all the timeslip recordsheets with her to work today to do a
spreadsheet of the results!! What a gal!
She did email me everyone's best times and speed, so I can give the final
results now and do the actual racing part later when she brings home the
actual time sheets.
We will also have pictures up on the website soon.
Anyway, this is a final standing of 2003 Power of DC awards.
97 VOLTS AND ABOVE
1ST PLACE
Shawn Lawless' "Orange Juice", 240 volts, driven by Mark Moore (10.8 secs
1/4 mile, 119.5 mph)
Winnings:
$150, 1st place trophy and the book "The Electric and Hybrid Electric Car",
courtesy of Megawatt Motorworks for the fastest car in attendence
2ND PLACE
Bob Salem's "ELECTRK", 240 volts (17.323 secs 1/4 mile, 72.63 mph)
Winnings:
$100, 2nd place trophy and the book "Kar Kaptains Kry, Kalamity", courtesy
of Megawatt Motorworks for being the Quickest SC-MC NEDRA class driver
3RD PLACE
Central Shenandoah Valley Regional Governor's School 240-Z, 120 volts
(18.374 secs 1/4 mile, 67.62 mph)
Winnings:
$50, 3rd place trophy and the book "Basic Electricity Crash Course",
courtesy of Megawatt Motorworks for having the fastest school-sponsored car
in attendence
4TH PLACE
Charlie Garlow's S-10, 312 volts (19.964 secs 1/4 mile, 65.3 mph)
Winnings:
$50
96 VOLTS AND BELOW
1ST PLACE
Northeastern High School "Voltsdragon", 96 volts (14.774 secs 1/8 mile,
43.34 mph)
Winnings:
$150, 1st place trophy
MOTORCYCLE
1ST PLACE
Darin Gilbert's "Pirahna", 48 volts (9.78 secs 1/8 mile, 64.98 mph)
Winnings:
$150, 1st place trophy
2ND PLACE
Sean Lawless Motorcycle Side Car, 48 volts, driven by Dave Deibel (14.26
secs 1/8 mile, 47.11 mph)
Winnings:
$100, 2nd place trophy
3RD PLACE
SkooterCommuter's MoRad 1500, 48 volts, driven by Wallace Rumbarger (20.517
secs 1/8 mile, 29.48 mph)
Winnings:
$50
QUICKEST REACTION TIME
.531 for Mark Moore driving "Orange Juice"
FARTHEST TRAVELED
Darin Gilbert from Detroit, Michigan
MOST VEHICLES TOWED
Dave Davidson for towing three vehicles to the track
FARTHEST TRAVELED ON ELECTRIC POWER
Christopher Zach
NEXT UP, OUR SPONSORS, THEN THE RACING . . .
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EVLN(Yamaha Escooter dealership network)
[The Internet Electric Vehicle List News. For Public EV
informational purposes. Contact publication for reprint rights.]
--- {EVangel}[Our thanks to Rusty]
http://hoovnews.hoovers.com/fp.asp?layout=query_displaynews&q=YAMAHA+MOTOR&so=&dc=&ro=&ed=&sd=&s=1&boldtext=YAMAHA+MOTOR&sym=&doc_id=NR200306183010.1_ae470000ca5e41a9
YAMAHA TO OPEN DEDICATED ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE SHOPS
June 18, 2003 11:04am
TOKYO, June 17 Asia Pulse - Yamaha Motor Co. will
create a network of dealerships specializing in
zero-emission electric-powered scooters.
The firm intends to open at least 50 sites, chiefly in major
urban areas, over the next five years.
Regulations governing emissions of two-wheeled vehicles are
to become stricter starting in 2006.
Yamaha, which launched sales of electric models in the
autumn of 2002, expects demand to rise as a result of the
changes and is thus gearing up to broaden its sales
network.
The company may open its first site as early as 2004.
Yamaha sells a total of 200,000 two-wheeled vehicles a year
in Japan.
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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 06/30/03
at 12:22 PM, "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>That is Methanol. A much better source of energy than hydrogen.
I think that the fuel cell uses the methanol as the source of hydrogen.
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"Mark Abramowitz"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Rich-
You guys ever try aircraft starter NiCads? The fiber plate ones? They
don't do so hot for energy density, so I was wondering what they were
like at high current. Like a STX 600 saft, or the surplus ones? No I am
not shipping any wet batteries 3500 miles for you to abuse. Yet. I dunno
what the 14Ahr NiCads weigh, the 34's are ~32 lbs per 12V worth.
Seth
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Hmmm. Don't know if he butchered the Delorean. I'd take it. Lawrence
Rhodes...
Oh, I'd take it, too! I'd love to make a real EV out of it.
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Auf wiedersehen!
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"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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I have Marathon Super hi power 17ah. starter nicads 20 cells including the
case and connector that weigh 39.5lbs,25.2 volts Dennis
Kilowatt Berube
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This is the primary goal of the Manzanita chargers, flexability in
source and in battery pack targets.
One charger does all, take what ever juice you can, Get as much as
possible into the pack, as fast as possible.
A Rather simple concept.
Indeed, it is, and they look really good. I'm just not sure I can
afford one. It's a moot point currently, as I can't afford to work on
my conversion at all. I keep telling myself I'll be able to afford to
finish soon, but it keeps not happening.
--
Auf wiedersehen!
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"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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The best and most robust deep cycle model though,
is their
recently released 'Purple Haze' model, technically the 34XCD. This
model was aimed at the
low rider hydraulic and car
stereo crowd. The Orbital Purple Haze model is a true deep cycle,
with 80% discharge cycle
life ratings
right their with Optima YTs. Slightly less stout than a YT, Purple
Haze can safely be
discharged at 1100 amps for 5 seconds. The best thing, is that the
less serious marine 34DC
sells for $110, while the beefier 34XCD sells at just $98!
John,
Do you know where I can find info on these? I looked on Exide's
website, and all I found in the Orbital line were the marine starting
(red) and marine deep-cycle (blue). No purples anywhere.
--
Auf wiedersehen!
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"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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It's here:
http://exide.com/products/automotive/exide_select_orbital_XCD.html
Under automotive
-Nathaniel
On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 06:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John,
Do you know where I can find info on these? I looked on Exide's
website, and all I found in the Orbital line were the marine starting
(red) and marine deep-cycle (blue). No purples anywhere.
--
Auf wiedersehen!
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"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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the purple ones are in the automotive section, not marine. and they're
cheaper!
Seth
On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 09:25 PM, Michael Hurley wrote:
The best and most robust deep cycle model though,
is their
recently released 'Purple Haze' model, technically the 34XCD. This
model was aimed at the
low rider hydraulic and car
stereo crowd. The Orbital Purple Haze model is a true deep cycle,
with 80% discharge cycle
life ratings
right their with Optima YTs. Slightly less stout than a YT, Purple
Haze can safely be
discharged at 1100 amps for 5 seconds. The best thing, is that the
less serious marine 34DC
sells for $110, while the beefier 34XCD sells at just $98!
John,
Do you know where I can find info on these? I looked on Exide's
website, and all I found in the Orbital line were the marine starting
(red) and marine deep-cycle (blue). No purples anywhere.
--
Auf wiedersehen!
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"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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QUESTION INTERNAL COMBUSTION
http://users.wpi.edu/~sethm/
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It's here: http://exide.com/products/automotive/exide_select_orbital_XCD.html
Under automotive
Ah! No wonder I couldn't find it. I was looking under deep-cycle and
marine. Silly me.
--
Auf wiedersehen!
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"..Um..Something strange happened to me this morning."
"Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort
of Sun God robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked
women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?"
"..No."
"Why am I the only person that has that dream?"
-Real Genius
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For you left coasters who are use to these kind of trips, remember that out
east, we're really deprived. No public chargers, not one, and we can't even
get the nice EVs from the factory out here. No EV-1's, no Honda EV+'s, no
RAV4 EV's. One club member did manage to lease a lead-acid Ranger, but no
NiMH Rangers available. So 75 miles up the mountains in a ten year old US
Electricar really is something for us to brag about. We normally have to
limit our EV driving to a distance where we can get out and back without a
recharge.
Now that you have a year's notice, you left coasters with the fast cars can
plan now to vacation in the east for next year's Power of DC, bring your
cars the short 3000 miles, and show the folks out here what electric cars
can really do. Although I set a record last year, watching a TEVan run down
the strip just doesn't do much for the spectators.
Dave Davidson
Glen Burnie, Maryland
1993 Dodge TEVan
NEDRA SP/C recordholder - 25.525 seconds at 50.44mph
From: Chris Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cross country success
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 22:53:36 -0400
Took the Prizm on a cross-country to the Power of DC races. Made it up all
the way under her own power (75 miles) including a run up the Appalachian
mountains.
Note: When you go from pulling 50-60 amps at 65mph to pulling over 140 amps
you probably did not blow a tire. You're simply going up a steep mountain
grade.
It made it. The one hour stopoff at the Battery Warehouse in Frederick was
enough to make it through the hills and to the strip. I'll write more about
the drive if anyone's interested.
Chris
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Last night I plugged in my rabbit's BC-20 into the timer and went to sleep.
Only when I was coming home tonight did I notice I was down way more then I
should have been. Since the car was doing well I figured the timer was off
since I had driven further on Sunday then ever before. Down about 58 amphr
where I would normally be down 22 from going to the station and back.
So I got home and plugged it directly into the wall since i'd be back out to
go to the grocery shortly. When I came out I still had two orange bars on
the emeter and the charger was outputting 0 amps..
The fan was still going the GFCI hadn't tripped. Tested it and it switched
the charger off fine and it still works as it did Saturday when I tried it.
Turned the current and voltage nobs and no change.
Shut everything down and checked the DC fuse and it was good.
With the cars circuit breaker on I got voltage at the charger but once I
switched it off it was gone.
So did I just lose the charger on the rabbit? Anythign more I can check I
never got a manual. I'm going to hunt during daylight for K&W contact info
but has anyone had this happen before and might it be fixable? Tommorow i'll
start charging the batteries two by two to keep them happy but hopefully
soon i'll be back on the road...
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If you really wanted to bid on the Li-Ion sports car, it's baaaaack! eBay
item 2421798008 - wonder how many he's gonna sell...
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test, no messages today at all. Did something die??
Neon
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Depends on the pump capacity (rate and pressure), I could use them in a
resin injection system for fiberglass mold, How many pumps do you have (i
would need two as a minimum.)
Chris Crouch
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From: "James Jarrett" <>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 7:44 AM
Subject: Mini Hydrolic Pump
> Hi all,
>
> A couple of years ago I visted the Guilford County goverment auction. I
> purchased 2 portable Hypospray units. These are the big old honkin
gizmost
> that are used mor mass imunizations. They superatomize drugs and blast it
> right through the skin into the bloodstream.
>
> Anyway, I just wanted the motors out of them. I took one apart and found
a
> very heavy/solid 1/12 hp electric motor connected to a miniature hydrolic
> pump!
>
> Anyway, I got all I wanted/needed out of one of them, the other is sitll
in
> it's box gathering dust. I was going to put it up on ebay, but I thought
> I'd give the members of the list dibs. Didn't know if anyone had a need
for
> a miniature hydrolic system or not.
>
> James
>
> James F. Jarrett
> Information Systems Associate
> Charlotte Country Day School
> (704)943-4562
>
> Every program is either trivial or it contains at least one bug.
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I got a ton of messages today Paul!
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Paul G
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 11:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: test
test, no messages today at all. Did something die??
Neon
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I sent an email to Peter (the guy who wrote the Palm EVdash program) and
he sounds pretty open to doing a version with support for wh/mile & some
of the other functions we were talking about. Would anyone like to
volunteer to design an adapter to add a speedometer pulse signal to the
E-Meter's RS232 cable as Mike has described?
For those who have a mechanical speedo, I seem to recall seeing adapters
available to power electronic speedometers from a mechanical speed
sensor. It probably wouldn't be too difficult to improvise something
like Ben suggested, either.
-Bryan Avery
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> > Behalf Of Mike Chancey
> > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 6:43 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: real time wh/mile meter?
> >
> > This came up before. At the time I suggested an interface between
an
> > E-meter with the serial port, the pulse speedometer sensor most
newer
> cars
> > have, and a PIC type processor driving a display. The ideas was you
> could
> > make it not only read current watthours/mile, but also indicate
> remaining
> > range in miles at the current rate of use. Maybe instead of a PIC
this
> > could somehow be used in connection with a Palm device. Since the
> E-meter
> > port needs to be isolated and only uses a couple of the pins, maybe
> the
> > speedometer signal could be introduced inside a custom isolator
> adapter
> > and
> > carried on some of the unused pins. A custom program for the Palm
> could
> > then do the calculations and the Palm display the results. What do
> you
> > think?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Chancey,
> > '88 Civic EV
> > '95 Solectria Force
> > Kansas City, Missouri
> > EV List Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
> > My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
> > Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
> > Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
>
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Mark, I tried to respond to you personally, but get an
error message saying your account is over kb/mo.
transfer limit, or somesuch. I have the bc-20 .pdf
file, and an idea what the problem is. Is there
another acct. to zap you at?
Peace, out.
--- Mark Hastings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Last night I plugged in my rabbit's BC-20 into the
> timer and went to sleep.
> Only when I was coming home tonight did I notice I
> was down way more then I
> should have been. Since the car was doing well I
> figured the timer was off
> since I had driven further on Sunday then ever
> before. Down about 58 amphr
> where I would normally be down 22 from going to the
> station and back.
>
> So I got home and plugged it directly into the wall
> since i'd be back out to
> go to the grocery shortly. When I came out I still
> had two orange bars on
> the emeter and the charger was outputting 0 amps..
> The fan was still going the GFCI hadn't tripped.
> Tested it and it switched
> the charger off fine and it still works as it did
> Saturday when I tried it.
> Turned the current and voltage nobs and no change.
> Shut everything down and checked the DC fuse and it
> was good.
> With the cars circuit breaker on I got voltage at
> the charger but once I
> switched it off it was gone.
>
> So did I just lose the charger on the rabbit?
> Anythign more I can check I
> never got a manual. I'm going to hunt during
> daylight for K&W contact info
> but has anyone had this happen before and might it
> be fixable? Tommorow i'll
> start charging the batteries two by two to keep them
> happy but hopefully
> soon i'll be back on the road...
>
>
>
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1. Copied from Fred Whitridge message tonight:
Lee Hart has posted that the temp sensor for the eMeter is an LM35. See
Jameco #155740. These cost $1.75 and are good for 0 to 100 C. There
are other part #'s that go below freezing but I don't know what the
eMeter's range is. This part is a three pin package. Tie "output" via
a 200 ohm resistor to "ground". Connect ground and power to the emeter
per their manual. This two wire connection method is also shown in the
datasheet for the LM35. I am logging an eMeter on my cycler and the two
digits of Centigrade temp appear as the last field, pumped out every
second.
2. The data is com port compatible. I have used Procomm, Hyperterm, Term,
and written some BASIC programs to read the data. All you have to do is turn
on data logging to get a data file on disk.
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Avery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:11 PM
Subject: RE: RS-232 DMM
> It sounds like using the E-meter is the way to go, especially since I
> already have one waiting to be installed in my car. Actually, it's
> already partially installed, so I'll just have to drag my dashboard over
> to where I'm cycling the batteries. :-) Since I'm just looking for
> something to use while breaking in the batteries and don't anticipate
> needing it once the car is up and running, this should be just fine.
>
> So I guess the remaining questions I need to answer are:
>
> 1. what sort of thermistor do I use with the E-meter (I think someone
> else asked this recently, but I don't recall the answer).
>
> 2. what is the best way to log and view the data coming from the
> E-meter's serial port? Is there any good software for this?
>
>
> -Bryan Avery
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> > Behalf Of Joe Smalley
> > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:46 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: RS-232 DMM
> >
> > A few cautions are in order right here.
> >
> > I bought a Radio Shack 22-812 meter and reverse engineered the serial
> > port.
> >
> > -The data coming out the port is NOT ASCII !!! It is a binary dump of
> the
> > pixels lit on the LCD. Each bit in the data stream represents a pixel
> and
> > they are in no particular order.
> >
> > -The port is simplex. No return path for control characters or
> commands.
> > It
> > is opto coupled so there are no ground loops. The port opto coupler
> needs
> > some of the other pins on the DB-9 to be a combination of up and down
> to
> > get
> > the +12/-12 power to run the output of the optocoupler.
> >
> > - If the power goes out, the meter does not come back on. It needs to
> be
> > manually turned back on with the front panel button.
> >
> > - It cannot be remotely switched between modes. If you set it to 200
> volts
> > full scale, it stays that way until you push the front panel button to
> > change it. The autoscale function works pretty well.
> >
> > - The software that comes with the meter will not share the port with
> > anything else. No control over the meter. It is only a data logger.
> >
> > - Time sharing the meter between two different measurements that are
> > voltage
> > diverse (a 150 volt pack and a 50 mV shunt) will be very complicated
> > because
> > of the range changes are sluggish and the pixel based binary data
> format
> > will make programming cumbersome.
> >
> > I have an emeter in my battery cycler and like it very much. I have
> been
> > using the RS meter for temperature logging in the resistance mode with
> a
> > thermistor. The data needs to be converted from Ohms to Temperature
> with a
> > formula in Excel making it cumbersome as well. If you put the temp
> sensor
> > on
> > the emeter, you should have everything you need coming in one serial
> port.
> >
> > Joe Smalley
> > Rural Kitsap County WA
> > Fiesta 48 volts
> > NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Furniss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 2:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: RS-232 DMM
> >
> >
> > > Wavetek is an excellent meter, Radio shack has one for $60 if you
> need
> > to
> > > keep the budget low.
>
>
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Many older cruise control kits had a gizmo to get an electronic signal from
the cable to run the cruise control electronics.
Cars that came factory equipped with cruise control had the inline sensor
therefore they should be available from a junk yard (I mean auto recycler.)
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Avery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 9:15 PM
Subject: RE: real time wh/mile meter?
> I sent an email to Peter (the guy who wrote the Palm EVdash program) and
> he sounds pretty open to doing a version with support for wh/mile & some
> of the other functions we were talking about. Would anyone like to
> volunteer to design an adapter to add a speedometer pulse signal to the
> E-Meter's RS232 cable as Mike has described?
>
> For those who have a mechanical speedo, I seem to recall seeing adapters
> available to power electronic speedometers from a mechanical speed
> sensor. It probably wouldn't be too difficult to improvise something
> like Ben suggested, either.
>
> -Bryan Avery
>
>
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On
> > > Behalf Of Mike Chancey
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 6:43 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: real time wh/mile meter?
> > >
> > > This came up before. At the time I suggested an interface between
> an
> > > E-meter with the serial port, the pulse speedometer sensor most
> newer
> > cars
> > > have, and a PIC type processor driving a display. The ideas was you
> > could
> > > make it not only read current watthours/mile, but also indicate
> > remaining
> > > range in miles at the current rate of use. Maybe instead of a PIC
> this
> > > could somehow be used in connection with a Palm device. Since the
> > E-meter
> > > port needs to be isolated and only uses a couple of the pins, maybe
> > the
> > > speedometer signal could be introduced inside a custom isolator
> > adapter
> > > and
> > > carried on some of the unused pins. A custom program for the Palm
> > could
> > > then do the calculations and the Palm display the results. What do
> > you
> > > think?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mike Chancey,
> > > '88 Civic EV
> > > '95 Solectria Force
> > > Kansas City, Missouri
> > > EV List Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
> > > My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
> > > Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
> > > Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
> >
>
>
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We have one and it has been tested to verify its capacity but we have not
done any high current tests.
Maybe it is time to test them (the 4th of July is coming up Friday.)
Is it just coincidence?
Joe Smalley
Rural Kitsap County WA
Fiesta 48 volts
NEDRA 48 volt street conversion record holder
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Seth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: Orbital YT Wannabes NOW hi current NiCad
> Rich-
>
> You guys ever try aircraft starter NiCads? The fiber plate ones? They
> don't do so hot for energy density, so I was wondering what they were
> like at high current. Like a STX 600 saft, or the surplus ones? No I am
> not shipping any wet batteries 3500 miles for you to abuse. Yet. I dunno
> what the 14Ahr NiCads weigh, the 34's are ~32 lbs per 12V worth.
>
>
>
> Seth
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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http://www.sbsun.com/Stories/0,1413,208~12588~1482325,00.html
Article Published: Friday, June 27, 2003 - 7:45:37 PM PST
Alternate Route
Small electric cars serve a dual purpose in Rialto
By SCOTT VANHORNE, Staff Writer
RIALTO - The city's new vehicles are real GEMs: Global
Electric Motorcars, zero-emission vehicles made by
DaimlerChrysler.
Public Works Director Brad Baxter purchased six of the golf
cart-size cars about a month ago for just under $40,000.
A grant from the South Coast Air Quality Management District
whittled the city's cost down to about $3,000 each, he said.
The cars cost about $9,000 retail.
Baxter said he was looking for a way to promote alternative
transportation and replenish the city's aging fleet of
vehicles.
"We hope to get a few more in the next year,' he said.
[...]
Betty Herrera, a public works senior office assistant, uses
one of the electric cars at least twice a day to carry mail
and run other errands between city offices, which are spread
around downtown.
"We are back and forth a lot,' she said.
Drivers often take a second look when they see Herrera
scooting down the street in the blue and white car's
egg-shaped driving compartment that seats up to four
people.
KRTO (Channel 3), the city-run cable television station, has
its own two-seater electric car, complete with decals and a
flat bed to carry expensive camera equipment.
Angela Perry, the city's telecommunications coordinator,
said the electric vehicle is convenient and environmentally
sound.
"Instead of us taking our big van out, we can just take the
cart,' she said. "You just can't beat it.'
Even when they're not using it to carry their camera
equipment, KRTO staff use their electric vehicle to go
between city departments, she said.
The GEMs are handy, but they are certainly not fast.
The top speed is about 25 mph, but Herrera has never seen
the digital speedometer over 20 mph.
"But when you're in it, it feels really fast,' she said.
Herrera said she always wears her seat belt even though her
trips usually take only a few minutes.
GEMs don't need special charging stations like some electric
vehicles, so if a car needs some juice, all that's required
is a standard outlet.
"That's one of the things that makes them so attractive,'
Baxter said. "You can take them anywhere, and as long as
there's an electrical outlet, you're in good shape.'
The cars average about 30 miles on a full charge.
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CORPORATE - Reva Electric Set To Roll Out 15-seater
Mini-bus In Bangalore Kavitha Alexis
Bangalore, June 23: Reva Electric Car Company (RECC),
the first to introduce an electric car in the Indian
market, is all set to bring an electric mini-bus to the
city roads in the country.
The proposed 10-15 seater mini-bus will be launched in
Bangalore early next year. The company is targeting IT and
BPO companies with campuses outside the city and schools as
potential customers to the new vehicles.
Speaking to FE, RECC managing director Chetan Maini said the
vehicle will be priced competitively as the basic technology
used is the same as for the Eva car. "The technology is the
same but we need to have more powerful batteries and
motors," he added. Though he refused to provide a clear idea
about the pricing of the new vehicle, Mr Maini said it would
be in the range of 15 to 20 per cent more than the Reva car.
The basic model of the car is currently priced at Rs 2.48
lakh.
Mr Maini also said that the company is gearing up its
exports and plans to send its first major consignment of 500
cars to the UK in the next three months. The next project in
the pipeline is a bigger family car running on electric
batteries.
Mr Maini said since the launch, Reva, its flagship product,
the company has been continuously working on new
technologies for improving the car. A major development in
this regard was engine management system for efficient
battery management, a key factor in electric vehicles. It is
a micro processor-based system that improves battery life
and provides 30 per cent more energy and 40 per cent more
power compared to any other cars. It also comes with a
vehicle diagnostic system perhaps for the first time in any
Indian car, Mr Maini said.
"The advanced diagnostic system in Reva cars provides all
information required for the diagnosis of a problem and easy
repair of the car. The system comes with a palm-based
Portable Electronic Tool (PET) having a serial interface to
the EMs and a PC for data storage and retrieval. All the
Reva service centres have a PET which has a touch screen
display for data manipulation and menu selection. Climate
control seating system, remote control air-conditioning,
dent-free body panel technology, etc, are some of the other
features of the vehicle," Mr Maini pointed out.
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