EV Digest 3406
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: EV grin
by Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Ford Gives UP Inventing - Buys Hybrid Pwrtrain from Toyota ??
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Ford Gives UP Inventing - Buys Hybrid Pwrtrain from Toyota ??
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
4) Re: Ford Gives UP Inventing - Buys Hybrid Pwrtrain from Toyota ??
by Chris Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Donor Car Recommendation
by "bobrice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: EV grin, a little Ampabout
by "bobrice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) OT Help needed with inverter use and music equipment
by "David (Battery Boy) Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Ford Gives UP Inventing - Buys Hybrid Pwrtrain from Toyota ??
by Lightning Ryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: motor current limit?
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: motor current limit?
by "1sclunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Chinese Simplified, was RE: motor current limit?
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: EV Trike Free To Good Home
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Why am I not supposed to parallel cells/batteries?
by Justin Southam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: EV grin, a little Ampabout
by Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: OT Help needed with inverter use and music equipment
by Fortunat Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Ford Gives UP Inventing - Buys Hybrid Pwrtrain from Toyota ??
by Fortunat Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re:Chinese Simplified (was: motor current limit)
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Chinese Simplified (was: motor current limit)
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: OT Help needed with inverter use and music equipment
by "T Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: motor current limit?
by "Tim Clevenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Chinese Simplified (was: motor current limit)
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: OT Help needed with inverter use and music equipment
by Bob Siebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: EV grin, a little Ampabout
by Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: OT Help needed with inverter use and music equipment
by Shawn Rutledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: EV grin, a little Ampabout
by Michael Hurley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: EV grin, a little Ampabout
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
27) Re: Chinese Simplified, was RE: motor current limit?
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Ok, I looked at my car a bit more today after work.
It is on the web here:
http://www.electroauto.com/gallery/vrabbit5.shtml
It has a bit of rot underneath, moslty where it was molested by a
jack... repeatedly. The brake lines got caught once or twice too.
The Trojan T-105 batteries (mostly, there are some US T-125s) seem to
be ok, except one has a small leak, another is a stinker. I suspect it
reverses under load. I fed it 30+ amps for a bit off the shop charger
(at 8.0V!) and I will keep trying to unreverse it...
No pack fuse, as far as I could see. That is high up on the list to
add. The 4/0 cable would feed an arc.
Might throw some sealed batteries in to keep any more acid vapors from
further eroding the unitbody. Dunno yet. Gonna see if I can revive this
pack enough to learn how to murder it.
The K&W charger makes the 120VAC rattle in the conduit at 60Hz. :) The
1.5A 12V accessory battery charger needs a bit more umph, I think.
And the best news... 8 inches of snow tomorrow. Gotta love Boston. Yay!
Seth
On Mar 13, 2004, at 8:09 PM, Seth wrote:
Ok, Bob Rice dropped off my EV today. A White 1980 Electro Auto kit
rabbit ( I think) with a small DC motor (6.7") and 72V and a Curtis
(1209B, I think) and Trojan batteries. A mix and match of batteries,
this was the car that burned a while back.
The body needs some attention and the 12V electrics, too. But it runs
and drives and I am happy. Shod with Invicta GLR tires, too. I am
surprised that it doesn't feel heavier with all that lead in it.
EV Grinning
Seth Allen
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This is hear say, till I do some more research, but this afternoon an
acquaintance said he heard it on the radio that Ford Motor Co, was going
to buy Hybrid Powertrain equipment from Toyota in stead of trying to
design their own.
Can any one shed light on this ??
--
Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
e-mail: SOON TO BE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
web: http://www.seattleeva.org
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I can only confirm that I heard the same thing on NPR on Friday afternoon.
They said that ford was going to be "Licencing" the technology from Toyota.
Don't know if that means Ford will be building them with Toyota's ok, or if
they will buy parts from Toyota or both.
James
Quoting Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> This is hear say, till I do some more research, but this afternoon an
> acquaintance said he heard it on the radio that Ford Motor Co, was going
>
> to buy Hybrid Powertrain equipment from Toyota in stead of trying to
> design their own.
>
> Can any one shed light on this ??
> --
> Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> Seattle EV Association
> 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> Day: 206 850-8535
> Eve: 206 524-1351
> e-mail: SOON TO BE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: http://www.seattleeva.org
>
>
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They said that ford was going to be "Licencing" the technology from Toyota.
Don't know if that means Ford will be building them with Toyota's ok, or if
they will buy parts from Toyota or both.
Makes sense: Ford is never going to be able to build something like the
Prius powertrain, and I do have to say it's pretty impressive as-is. My
big question on the Prius is can the motor sustain 50kw output like my
Prizm's induction motor. Mine has a rather large water jacket; how does
the Prius get rid of the waste heat?
Chris
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From: 1sclunn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: Donor Car Recommendation
> The second car I converted was a Meruary lynx , with 20 golf cart
batteries
> and a 400 amp curtis , I one time drove this car 90 miles to get to a EV
> rally , and it had no problem going 70 mph but felt a little like a skate
> board over 55. I'm 6'1" and had lots of room. I had no clutch and left in
in
> 2nd gear all the time excet when driving over 60 mph .
> steve clunn
Hi All;
My vote for the VW Rabbit, although the ones still in service are getting
a little long in the tooth! Older Golfs are nice even Jettas. A wealth of
bolt on aftermarket parts out there still for the above cars. My Rabbit has
carried 20 Golf Cart Batteries for YEARS without any structural problems,
yet, other than the rust thing, that plagues all old cars. I just avoid
putting the car through the winter salt snow and ice. Going to my second set
of Trojan T 145's , Thanks Tony! Off for another 20k miles? BTW I'm 6'4" and
280 lbs and fit in a Rabbit fine.Prius, too. Have gone 101 miles on a
charge, very carefully on the amps to do it. but a solid range of 60-75
miles is there @ highway speeds. Damn car is HEAVY, though, 3300 lbs or so
BEFORE I get in, and yes, I DID hafta beef up the springs, GTI disc brakes
will bolt on to the running gear as well as Jetta drum breaks in back.GTI'
discs need the GTI 14 inch wheel, though, but go on the Cabrolet model, for
sure.
Although nowadaze there are a wealth of Honda upgrade parts for the Rice
Burner guyz, so, I'll go along with Victor on Hondas being a good bet.I hava
90 or so Plymouth Sundance hatchback, I LIKE hatchbacks, out in the shed,
for the NEXT electric, 5 speed all that. ICE still runs, havent pulled it
yet.
My two ohms worth
Bob
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> From: "Don Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 1:11 PM
> Subject: Donor Car Recommendation
>
>
> > I am still hunting for my donor car. I want to use a small light, car
> > 2dr hatchback with enough room for a 6'2" driver. Max 2 passengers. I
> > have been looking at Geo Metros, Fireflys and Swifts (1995 and better)
> > however the payload is not all that good. The Mazda 323 payload looks
> > better. Anybody have any other suggestions or recommendations?
> >
> > thanks
> > Don
> >
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Hi Seth an' All;
Poor old Rabbit has a friend, now!
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From: Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: EV grin
> Ok, I looked at my car a bit more today after work.
>
> It is on the web here:
>
> http://www.electroauto.com/gallery/vrabbit5.shtml
> Yup! That's the place in Delaware when Mark Hastings and I picked it up,
one damn COLD nite last winter. The snow on the Fanily pix brings back cold
memories of crawling under to swap bumpers with MY Rabbit, that had the
brackets welded to it under the alumunum bumper, to attach my angle homeade
tow hookup to it, making it very portable. We left Wilmington DE and got
back to CT about 3am, towing with my trusty rusty Ford van, my Beast of
Burdon,With a row of T 105's in the back for ballast! Yes! Actually WANTING
weight in back, much more than the Rabbit so to make sure it would follow,
It did, Rabbits flat tow just fine! You COULD leave it in high gear so the
tranny turns, yur not towing it any faster than it goes electrically,
anyhow. If you felt that they might not get enough lube in neutral. I
destroyed a Corvair tranny towing it from Detroit to Florida in neutral,
with a 54 Intrenational School Bus Camper, so I sure didn't notice the
tranny schredding as I went along! Bus went about the same speed weather the
car was attached or not.That was a nice conversion, a 65 Corvair Corsa two
door coupe. With 10' Drum brakes all around, no damn vacuum pump, but I
needed heavier springs, it weighed 2800 lbs with 120 volts of batteries.
Sure wish I hada decent MOTOR, a 9' would have been great!That was where my
Contactor controller first saw the light of day, It lived on in the Rabbit,
til I got the Rapture, by DCP.
> It has a bit of rot underneath, moslty where it was molested by a
> jack... repeatedly. The brake lines got caught once or twice too.
A regular Rabbit Event, I'm afraid, they ALL look like that underneith!
> It would be nice to just junk this body and transplant all the EV stuff
to a clean Rabbit. But Clean Rabbits are few and far between in the
Northeast! Probably find a nice one in the Portland Rolling Auto Museum
fleet, though! Us Eastereners are pleasurably amused at what ya see actually
still running on PDX's streets!
> The Trojan T-105 batteries (mostly, there are some US T-125s) seem to
> be ok, except one has a small leak, another is a stinker. I suspect it
> reverses under load. I fed it 30+ amps for a bit off the shop charger
> (at 8.0V!) and I will keep trying to unreverse it...
> UH yu KNOW it duz! Car goes down to about 40 volts in a few miles! Find
it, and throw it away! Or just leave it out!
> No pack fuse, as far as I could see. That is high up on the list to
> add. The 4/0 cable would feed an arc.
> Oh it Did! Big burn marks in back, looked like a Waylandian EVent
happened!
Shoulda brought ya a Big Fuseholder that holds F-40 lokie field fuses, or
the ones you can take apart and make any amp capacity!
> Might throw some sealed batteries in to keep any more acid vapors from
> further eroding the unitbody. Dunno yet. Gonna see if I can revive this
> pack enough to learn how to murder it.
>
> The K&W charger makes the 120VAC rattle in the conduit at 60Hz. :) The
> 1.5A 12V accessory battery charger needs a bit more umph, I think.
>
> And the best news... 8 inches of snow tomorrow. Gotta love Boston. Yay!
> Same in CT, was out in a T shirt today, snow on the way, though!
Bob
> Seth
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2004, at 8:09 PM, Seth wrote:
>
> > Ok, Bob Rice dropped off my EV today. A White 1980 Electro Auto kit
> > rabbit ( I think) with a small DC motor (6.7") and 72V and a Curtis
> > (1209B, I think) and Trojan batteries. A mix and match of batteries,
> > this was the car that burned a while back.
> >
> > The body needs some attention and the 12V electrics, too. But it runs
> > and drives and I am happy. Shod with Invicta GLR tires, too. I am
> > surprised that it doesn't feel heavier with all that lead in it.
> >
> > EV Grinning
> >
> > Seth Allen
> >
>
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All,
I've been helping with my son's high school drum-line competitions on
Saturdays, and as they plan for a trip to San Diego for a national
competition, one of the instructors mentioned needing a GAS generator for
remote practice locations. Since I suggested using an inverter and YT
battery(s), I'm now responsible for making it happen! So, after looking at
AC input specs on the equipment labels, the maximum power requirements are
500 watts total, consisting of a microphone mixer that mics some pit
equipment, an amplifier powering four small monitor speakers pointed at the
audience (they should be using speakers on stands), and a keyboard along
with it's own guitar style amplifier which also feeds into the mixer. In
fact, while asking questions about the equipment, I realized they could
feed the keyboard directly into the mixer, and point a small speaker at the
keyboard player to eliminate the guitar amplifier (60 watts). The pit
instructor said he had used an inverter in the past, but had some speaker
hum. Anyway, I was going to try using my cheap Coleman brand inverter (used
to power Xmas lights from the EV while towing the band float!) or my APC
brand computer UPS, just as a test, but I don't want to damage any school
equipment which would require a bake-sale to replace! So, has anyone
powered sound equipment from an inverter and battery(s)? Please e-mail me
off-list if you can help.
Thanks for your time,
Dave (B.B.) Hawkins
Officer with the Denver Electric Vehicle Council
http://www.devc.org/
Card carrying member and racer with The National Electric Drag Racing
Association
http://www.nedra.com/
Lyons, CO
1979 Mazda RX-7 EV (192V of YT's, but with a dead DCP controller the 15
year-old daughter isn't learning to drive yet!)
1989 Chevy S10 Ext. Cab (144V of floodies, for Ma and Pa only!)
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2004-03-08
http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/040308/2133001022_3.html
From: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius-2G/message/1149
2004-03-09
http://money.cnn.com/2004/03/09/news/companies/bc.autos.toyota.ford.reut/
From: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Prius-2G/message/1246
2004-03-10
NY Times / Boston Globe
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/2004-prius/message/39340
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/2004-prius/message/39319
L8r
Ryan
PS. We knew this was comming. Since the launch of the Ford Escape
Hybrid about a year or two ago It was plain to see they would be
using the Toyota THS systems, it may have been on Fords website.
Steven Lough wrote:
This is hear say, till I do some more research, but this afternoon an
acquaintance said he heard it on the radio that Ford Motor Co, was going
to buy Hybrid Powertrain equipment from Toyota in stead of trying to
design their own.
Can any one shed light on this ??
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Peter VanDerWal wrote:
> Sorry, but mechanical rectifiers use contacts. Also the mechanical
> PWM is just a rotating contactor. Granted it's not the typical
> series parallel contactor controller, but it's still a contactor
> controller.
Hmm, so Peter wants a non-solid state motor speed controller that uses
no contacts? Now, that's a challenge! :-)
You could connect the motor straight to the battery, and use an
infinitely variable transmission; say, one of the hydrostatic drives you
see in garden tractors. Forward, reverse, stop, and variable speed with
no contacts.
Simple field control of a shunt motor provides speed control without
needing any contacts. A carbon pile or electrolytic rheostat can provide
a variable field resistor with no sliding or open/close contacts.
If you want to argue that the motor commutator and brushes are contacts,
we could use a homopolar motor. They have slip rings but no contacts
that open/close during operation.
You could use thyratrons or ignitrons; a type of gas-filled tube
equivalent to the SCR. With a high enough pack voltage, they can convert
DC into AC at reasonable efficiency (80% or so) to run an AC motor.
--
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the
world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" -- Margaret Meade
--
Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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>
> You could connect the motor straight to the battery, and use an
> infinitely variable transmission; say, one of the hydrostatic drives you
> see in garden tractors. Forward, reverse, stop, and variable speed with
> no contacts.
>
This is what I have on my lawn mower and have a few laying around, they do
convert rpm into torque, go from forward to reverse easily , about 25 lbs
and I think put out 4 hp , I have though about hooking one to a drill press
, the input rpm is 3600 , new they run about $450
Steve Clunn
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Lee, I keep having the same problem with your posts that Chuck is, Outlook
keeps wanting to install Chinese Simplified in order to read. Since I have
set it to never install alternate languages when I click off the popup you
posts then come thru pretty much normal. Or have you been kidnapped by the
Reds and this is a clever way of letting us know? LOL. TTYL David Chapman.
> Lee: why occasionally do your postings have gb2312 simplified
> chinese character set asked for? I thought I had installed
> simplified chinese (but maybe not that charset). My computer
> points that out every once in awhile when I bring up one of your
> postings (I'm not on web-mail, but using an email client on my
> harddrive). Do you have a Chinese correspondent?
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Mike, I told my wife about the EV trike and she wanted to leave tonight to
come get it, LOL. I talked her out of it as I told her I was not going to
call and get you guys out of bed just to see if it was spoken for yet.
Anyway, if its still available we would like to have it, however I have a
slight scheduling conflict in coming to get it immed. Wife is up for
roadtrip at the drop of a hat, I however have a couple of cars I promised to
fix for a customer. I am sure you know how that is. If its still available
please let me know so I can try and appease my spouse, lol. And if so, how
soon do you need it gone? I was planning to be in your area around the end
of the month, gotta go thu Lake Elsinore to pick up some other EV parts and
I also have business in LA to take care of. That puts me "almost there"
considering. Regards, David Chapman.
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From: "Electro Automotive" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 7:21 PM
Subject: EV Trike Free To Good Home
> We have custody of an electric trike that was converted by Denet Lewis,
> from Kona Waena High School that won their class in the Australian
> race. This trike has a commercially built chassis. The drive system is
> complete except for the motor, which is in pieces, and the batteries,
which
> are missing. It has a PMC 1204 controller. It was set up for 24V using
> Hawker Genesis batteries, and claimed 20 mph and 20 miles range.
>
> It is at our shop/home in Santa Cruz. Call or email if you are
interested.
>
> Mike Brown
> Electro Automotive POB 1113 Felton CA 95018-1113 Telephone 831-429-1989
> http://www.electroauto.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Electric Car Conversion Kits * Components * Books * Videos * Since 1979
>
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Hi Lee, thanks for the reality check.
At 09:26 12/03/04 -0800, Lee wrote:
>I don't think this would work, for a number of reasons....
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Oh yeah, a few other things:
Haven driven mostly Forces up to this point, I was actually SURPRISED
at how much pep the 6.7" and Curtis 400 had. Now Forces are know for
(miserly) efficiency, not being rockets. I haven't done any high speed
duty yet but in the parking lot up to 25 mph or so (it is a big lot),
it seemed useable. I know Madman will think I am nuts, but this is
supposed to be a station car first. The 47 gigawatt stuff doen't get
installed until next month :)
One thing that comes to mind is that this is about the cheapest way to
try a parallel ultracap system (72V nominal).
Finally, I think I am going to get a 1988 VW golf to transplant this
stuff into. My brother has one he wants to get rid of. GTI wheels&
brakes. Not pretty, but better structurally long term. Then I would
feel safe enough to add real power and expect it to last. For the short
term, I might just weld in floorpans.
I can't see using Invicta GLR tires on a station car, so I think I am
going to swap tires with my (offlist) friend with th NiMH Force who
actually commutes, so he can see what difference it makes. They would
probably get me an extra 200 yards of range that I don't need...
Thanks again to Bob Rice and Mark Hastings, and Electro Automotive, and
the whole EVDL...
Seth
On Mar 15, 2004, at 11:57 PM, bobrice wrote:
Hi Seth an' All;
Poor old Rabbit has a friend, now!
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From: Seth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: EV grin
Ok, I looked at my car a bit more today after work.
It is on the web here:
http://www.electroauto.com/gallery/vrabbit5.shtml
Yup! That's the place in Delaware when Mark Hastings and I picked it
up,
one damn COLD nite last winter. The snow on the Fanily pix brings back
cold
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David
I, personally, have no experience with amps and
inverters, but a coworker of mine used to play guitar
down in Harvard square in the evenings. He tried to
power his amp off a 12 V battery and a modified sine
wave inverter and it had a wicked buzz to it.
He played around with it a bit adding capacitor
filters to the power leads, but he is a chemical
engineer and quickly gave up and bought a DC powered
amp.
I don't think you will hurt the equipment with a
crappy inverter, but I do suspect you will find
similar problems (unless you have a better inverter,
which it doesn't sound like you do).
good luck,
~Fortunat
--- "David (Battery Boy) Hawkins"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All,
> I've been helping with my son's high school
> drum-line competitions on
> Saturdays, and as they plan for a trip to San Diego
> for a national
> competition, one of the instructors mentioned
> needing a GAS generator for
> remote practice locations. Since I suggested using
> an inverter and YT
> battery(s), I'm now responsible for making it
> happen! So, after looking at
> AC input specs on the equipment labels, the maximum
> power requirements are
> 500 watts total, consisting of a microphone mixer
> that mics some pit
> equipment, an amplifier powering four small monitor
> speakers pointed at the
> audience (they should be using speakers on stands),
> and a keyboard along
> with it's own guitar style amplifier which also
> feeds into the mixer. In
> fact, while asking questions about the equipment, I
> realized they could
> feed the keyboard directly into the mixer, and point
> a small speaker at the
> keyboard player to eliminate the guitar amplifier
> (60 watts). The pit
> instructor said he had used an inverter in the past,
> but had some speaker
> hum. Anyway, I was going to try using my cheap
> Coleman brand inverter (used
> to power Xmas lights from the EV while towing the
> band float!) or my APC
> brand computer UPS, just as a test, but I don't want
> to damage any school
> equipment which would require a bake-sale to
> replace! So, has anyone
> powered sound equipment from an inverter and
> battery(s)? Please e-mail me
> off-list if you can help.
> Thanks for your time,
> Dave (B.B.) Hawkins
> Officer with the Denver Electric Vehicle Council
> http://www.devc.org/
> Card carrying member and racer with The National
> Electric Drag Racing
> Association
> http://www.nedra.com/
> Lyons, CO
> 1979 Mazda RX-7 EV (192V of YT's, but with a dead
> DCP controller the 15
> year-old daughter isn't learning to drive yet!)
> 1989 Chevy S10 Ext. Cab (144V of floodies, for Ma
> and Pa only!)
>
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That is a fact.
Not surprising, i suppose. I drove in the Escape
Hybrid a little over two years ago (one of the drive
train tuning prototypes) and it was a mess. Granted,
they were still fiddling with tuning parameters, but
at constant speed on the hwy, the ICE was hunting all
over the place trying to decide whether or not to
charge the batteries. It was very distracting.
Ford's spin, as I heard it, is that they are licensing
the hybrid technology from TMC so that they can focus
their R and D money on the 'next thing'. They continue
to see hybrids as an intermediate step.
Overall, i think it is good news, because it brings up
the volume and may lower the cost of the hybrid
powertrain parts. It also rewards TMC for being an
industry leader, which is a good thing (protectionist
politics, notwithstanding).
~Fortunat
--- Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is hear say, till I do some more research, but
> this afternoon an
> acquaintance said he heard it on the radio that Ford
> Motor Co, was going
> to buy Hybrid Powertrain equipment from Toyota in
> stead of trying to
> design their own.
>
> Can any one shed light on this ??
> --
> Steven S. Lough, Pres.
> Seattle EV Association
> 6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
> Seattle, WA 98115-7230
> Day: 206 850-8535
> Eve: 206 524-1351
> e-mail: SOON TO BE: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> web: http://www.seattleeva.org
>
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Chuck Hursch wrote:
> Lee: why occasionally do your postings have gb2312 simplified
> chinese character set asked for? I thought I had installed
> simplified chinese (but maybe not that charset). My computer
> points that out every once in awhile when I bring up one of your
> postings (I'm not on web-mail, but using an email client on my
> harddrive). Do you have a Chinese correspondent?
I don't know. It's nothing I am doing deliberately. I'm using DOS 6.20,
Windows 3.1, and Netscape 3.04, with whatever defaults they use for
character sets. Here is the header from my message you said contained
Chinese characters. The message itself was just plain ASCII.
>From - Mon Mar 15 12:31:02 2004
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 12:30:40 -0800
From: Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win16; U)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: motor current limit?
References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mozilla-Status: 0011
Content-Length: 2666
The only thing that refers to character sets is the "Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=gb2312". I have no idea what charset=gb2312 means.
Does anyone know what is going on?
--
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the
world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" -- Margaret Meade
--
Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Lee Hart writes:
>
> The only thing that refers to character sets is the "Content-Type:
> text/plain; charset=gb2312". I have no idea what charset=gb2312 means.
> Does anyone know what is going on?
Lee,
The message in question showed up in my mail reader (elm on Linix)
as a MIME message. Your messages usually don't show up as MIME,
so my guess is that the message you replied to had the odd charset
value and that your mail reader picked it up so it could include
some of the text in your reply.
Maybe your mail reader allows you to specify a charset instead of
letting it choose one based on the message content?
Ralph
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You may not have time to complete this but,.....
I would bet that all of te equipment that you are planning on
running has power supplies that convert the incoming AC to DC.
If you can bring an access point to that DC out to the case then
you can directly connect the proper DC voltage and not have to
worry about an inverter or hum. (I find it very difficult to get
hum from a battery ;) )
Stay Charged!
Hump
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of David (Battery Boy) Hawkins
>Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:09 PM
>To: EV Discussion List
>Subject: OT Help needed with inverter use and music equipment
>
>
>All,
>I've been helping with my son's high school drum-line
competitions on
>Saturdays, and as they plan for a trip to San Diego for a national
>competition, one of the instructors mentioned needing a GAS
generator for
>remote practice locations. Since I suggested using an inverter
and YT
>battery(s), I'm now responsible for making it happen! So, after
looking at
>AC input specs on the equipment labels, the maximum power
requirements are
>500 watts total, consisting of a microphone mixer that mics some
pit
>equipment, an amplifier powering four small monitor speakers
pointed at the
>audience (they should be using speakers on stands), and a
keyboard along
>with it's own guitar style amplifier which also feeds into the
mixer. In
>fact, while asking questions about the equipment, I realized they
could feed
>the keyboard directly into the mixer, and point a small speaker
at the
>keyboard player to eliminate the guitar amplifier (60 watts). The
pit
>instructor said he had used an inverter in the past, but had some
speaker
>hum. Anyway, I was going to try using my cheap Coleman brand
inverter (used
>to power Xmas lights from the EV while towing the band float!) or
my APC
>brand computer UPS, just as a test, but I don't want to damage
any school
>equipment which would require a bake-sale to replace! So, has
anyone powered
>sound equipment from an inverter and battery(s)? Please e-mail me
off-list
>if you can help. Thanks for your time, Dave (B.B.) Hawkins
Officer with the
>Denver Electric Vehicle Council http://www.devc.org/ Card
carrying member
>and racer with The National Electric Drag Racing Association
>http://www.nedra.com/ Lyons, CO 1979 Mazda RX-7 EV (192V of YT's,
but with a
>dead DCP controller the 15 year-old daughter isn't learning to
drive yet!)
>1989 Chevy S10 Ext. Cab (144V of floodies, for Ma and Pa only!)
>
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Subject: Re: motor current limit?
From: Peter VanDerWal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: EV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:36:19 -0700
Now I'm confused.
What kind of controller doesn't use either contactors or electronics?
I suppose you could use a really big rheostat, but wouldn't that be
considered "electronics"?
Uh, a really big knife switch? :-)
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Ralph Merwin wrote:
>
> Lee Hart writes:
> >
> > The only thing that refers to character sets is the "Content-Type:
> > text/plain; charset=gb2312". I have no idea what charset=gb2312 means.
> > Does anyone know what is going on?
>
> Lee,
>
> The message in question showed up in my mail reader (elm on Linix)
> as a MIME message. Your messages usually don't show up as MIME,
> so my guess is that the message you replied to had the odd charset
> value and that your mail reader picked it up so it could include
> some of the text in your reply.
>
> Maybe your mail reader allows you to specify a charset instead of
> letting it choose one based on the message content?
It does let me specify a character set when composing a message; it is
set for "charset=us-ascii". And in fact, this is what I see in messages
that I compose. However, it seems to pick up the "charset=..." from the
message I respond to, and I can't find any way to alter it.
--
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the
world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has!" -- Margaret Meade
--
Lee A. Hart 814 8th Ave N Sartell MN 56377 leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Dave:
Unless you know that all the equipment uses switching power supplies
(like computers) which are more tolerant of input voltage swings,
caution suggests that you use a sine wave inverter. Many of the
"modified sine wave" models will generate too high voltages as they
follow the battery's state of charge. They guarantee that their rms
voltage is within spec, but that says nothing about the peak voltage.
Two vendors of sine wave inverters are Exeltech and Xantrex (Trace).
/Bob
On Monday, March 15, 2004, at 08:08 PM, David (Battery Boy) Hawkins
wrote:
All,
I've been helping with my son's high school drum-line competitions on
Saturdays, and as they plan for a trip to San Diego for a national
competition, one of the instructors mentioned needing a GAS generator
for
remote practice locations. Since I suggested using an inverter and YT
battery(s), I'm now responsible for making it happen! So, after
looking at
AC input specs on the equipment labels, the maximum power requirements
are
500 watts total, consisting of a microphone mixer that mics some pit
equipment, an amplifier powering four small monitor speakers pointed
at the
audience (they should be using speakers on stands), and a keyboard
along
with it's own guitar style amplifier which also feeds into the mixer.
In
fact, while asking questions about the equipment, I realized they could
feed the keyboard directly into the mixer, and point a small speaker
at the
keyboard player to eliminate the guitar amplifier (60 watts). The pit
instructor said he had used an inverter in the past, but had some
speaker
hum. Anyway, I was going to try using my cheap Coleman brand inverter
(used
to power Xmas lights from the EV while towing the band float!) or my
APC
brand computer UPS, just as a test, but I don't want to damage any
school
equipment which would require a bake-sale to replace! So, has anyone
powered sound equipment from an inverter and battery(s)? Please e-mail
me
off-list if you can help.
Thanks for your time,
Dave (B.B.) Hawkins
Officer with the Denver Electric Vehicle Council
http://www.devc.org/
Card carrying member and racer with The National Electric Drag Racing
Association
http://www.nedra.com/
Lyons, CO
1979 Mazda RX-7 EV (192V of YT's, but with a dead DCP controller the 15
year-old daughter isn't learning to drive yet!)
1989 Chevy S10 Ext. Cab (144V of floodies, for Ma and Pa only!)
"As far as I know, no one who is technically literate is an
enthusiastic supporter of fuel-cell-powered vehicles," said Donald R.
Sadoway, professor of materials engineering and faculty fellow at the
Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and a nationally recognized
battery expert.
"I doubt I will ever see a hydrogen car for personal consumption in a
showroom. I said this years ago and see no reason to change my mind:�
The family-owned, garaged vehicle is the last vehicle that's going to
get a fuel cell. " -- Geoffrey Ballard.
"Hydrogen cars are a poor short-term strategy, and it's not even clear
that they are a good idea in the long term," Alexander Farrell,
assistant professor of energy and resources at the University of
California, Berkeley.
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Seth wrote:
>
> Oh yeah, a few other things:
>
I know Madman will think I am nuts, but this is
> supposed to be a station car first. The 47 gigawatt stuff doen't get
> installed until next month :)
>
47 Giga Watts????! Pant Droool!..... Where when....?
Oh a used Space shuttle Fuel pump drive....Uhhhh that will take some
effort to fit into a Rabbit.
--
Rich Rudman
Manzanita Micro
www.manzanitamicro.com
1-360-297-7383,Cell 1-360-620-6266
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Yeah but I bet different amps run on different voltages; you can't get
high power from 12V without stepping it up, for example. (But you
could use a car amplifier which has the step-up DC/DC converter built
in.)
Also I wonder if any of the stuff depends on the isolation provided by
having a transformer - i.e. chassis ground and signal ground and power
ground are not always meant to be connected together. I'm planning to
use a PV/battery DC power bus at home pretty soon (for computers, the
ethernet switch, some lights etc.) and have been wondering if I will
run into any problems like that; and if the racks I mount stuff in
should be grounded both to the negative battery terminal as well as to
earth; etc.
--- T Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would bet that all of te equipment that you are planning on
> running has power supplies that convert the incoming AC to DC.
> If you can bring an access point to that DC out to the case then
> you can directly connect the proper DC voltage and not have to
> worry about an inverter or hum. (I find it very difficult to get
> hum from a battery ;) )
>
>
> Stay Charged!
>
> Hump
>
>
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >Behalf Of David (Battery Boy) Hawkins
> >Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 11:09 PM
> >To: EV Discussion List
> >Subject: OT Help needed with inverter use and music equipment
> >
> >
> >All,
> >I've been helping with my son's high school drum-line
> competitions on
> >Saturdays, and as they plan for a trip to San Diego for a national
> >competition, one of the instructors mentioned needing a GAS
> generator for
> >remote practice locations. Since I suggested using an inverter
> and YT
> >battery(s), I'm now responsible for making it happen! So, after
> looking at
> >AC input specs on the equipment labels, the maximum power
> requirements are
> >500 watts total, consisting of a microphone mixer that mics some
> pit
> >equipment, an amplifier powering four small monitor speakers
> pointed at the
> >audience (they should be using speakers on stands), and a
> keyboard along
> >with it's own guitar style amplifier which also feeds into the
> mixer. In
> >fact, while asking questions about the equipment, I realized they
> could feed
> >the keyboard directly into the mixer, and point a small speaker
> at the
> >keyboard player to eliminate the guitar amplifier (60 watts). The
> pit
> >instructor said he had used an inverter in the past, but had some
> speaker
> >hum. Anyway, I was going to try using my cheap Coleman brand
> inverter (used
> >to power Xmas lights from the EV while towing the band float!) or
> my APC
> >brand computer UPS, just as a test, but I don't want to damage
> any school
> >equipment which would require a bake-sale to replace! So, has
> anyone powered
> >sound equipment from an inverter and battery(s)? Please e-mail me
> off-list
> >if you can help. Thanks for your time, Dave (B.B.) Hawkins
> Officer with the
> >Denver Electric Vehicle Council http://www.devc.org/ Card
> carrying member
> >and racer with The National Electric Drag Racing Association
> >http://www.nedra.com/ Lyons, CO 1979 Mazda RX-7 EV (192V of YT's,
> but with a
> >dead DCP controller the 15 year-old daughter isn't learning to
> drive yet!)
> >1989 Chevy S10 Ext. Cab (144V of floodies, for Ma and Pa only!)
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
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On Mar 16, 2004, at 10:47 AM, Rich Rudman wrote:
47 Giga Watts????!
one point twenty-one jigga-watts!?
Sorry. Had to be done. Heh.
_________________________________________________
Michael Hurley Digital Print Specialist
AlphaGraphics, Inc. Phone (901) 681-9909
1195 Ridgeway Rd. Fax (901) 761-2139
Memphis, TN 38119 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's my license plate! 121GWAT
Ya I know, wishful thinking on a Tropica.
Steve
> one point twenty-one jigga-watts!?
>
>
> Sorry. Had to be done. Heh.
>
>
> _________________________________________________
> Michael Hurley Digital Print Specialist
> AlphaGraphics, Inc. Phone (901) 681-9909
> 1195 Ridgeway Rd. Fax (901) 761-2139
> Memphis, TN 38119 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Chapman wrote:
> Lee, I keep having the same problem with your posts that Chuck is, Outlook
> keeps wanting to install Chinese Simplified in order to read. Since I have
> set it to never install alternate languages when I click off the popup you
> posts then come thru pretty much normal. Or have you been kidnapped by the
> Reds and this is a clever way of letting us know? LOL. TTYL David Chapman.
>
>
>>Lee: why occasionally do your postings have gb2312 simplified
>>chinese character set asked for? I thought I had installed
>>simplified chinese (but maybe not that charset). My computer
>>points that out every once in awhile when I bring up one of your
>>postings (I'm not on web-mail, but using an email client on my
>>harddrive). Do you have a Chinese correspondent?
>
>
I get chinese coding from Lee too. Apparently even Win 3.1
is susseptable for hacking from outside, unless your
settings got messed up by mistake...
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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