EV Digest 3488
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Gone Postal Ques
by Roderick Wilde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Buying questions: Soleq EV
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) OT Re: [Fwd: Re: Fw: Two 8" vs 1 9"...Zombie Gets a BIG motor!]
by "Joe Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: "Sucking Amps" was the best EV show ever!
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) "Gone Postal" vs "White Zombie"
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: VERY OT Airplane parts (was:Two 8" vs 1 9"...Zombie....)
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Gone Postal Ques
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Nurd / Turd T-Shirt GREAT IDEA
by Steven Lough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) another cheer for Sucking Amps!
by "Cliff Rassweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) EV Drag Racing in Portland, April 30th!
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: (OT, solar) Trying to identify solar technology on used PV panels
by Chris Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Buying questions: Soleq EV
by Chris Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) EVLN(Lexus RX Hybrid SUV will hit the lots late 2004)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) EVLN(With no `vroom,' electric scooters are born to be mild)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) EVLN(Wilde's obsession available on America's TV sets)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) EVLN(OEVA promotes EVs & hybrids virtues @ the Park Blocks)
by Bruce EVangel Parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: "Sucking Amps" was the best EV show ever!
by Bob Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: My take on "Sucking Amps"
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: "Sucking Amps" was the best EV show ever!
by Bob Brooks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) SW80 Albright contactor questions.
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Aaron, most of your questions concerning the drive can be answered on
our racing site: www.suckamps.com. Their is also a great deal of
information on the drives in my previous posts. The guy doing the
welding was a volunteer from the crowd. The volunteer just happened
to be "Reverend Gadget" from Monster House and this list. He also has
his own Reality TV show coming out. It was my first time meeting him
and he's a great guy. We ended up having dinner together with his
lady and a friend who was a reporter for the LA Weekly. Rich is
anything but mellow and his handle of "Madman" is well deserved.
Father time is extremely mellow but has his limits of how much BS he
will put up with. What you saw was what was said and what was
happening. There was a lot more background that they filmed but
didn't show. There is only so much of six weeks of ten hour a day
filming with two cameras going that can be squeezed down to 44
minutes.
Roderick
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
Although I enjoyed the show very much... it did not answer
many of the questions I hoped it would.
* Whats going on with the shifting?
It looked like the rear motors were fixed gear.
Were you shifting only on the front?
If so, was there a way to continue delivering
power at the rear while the front was shifting?
* Was that a straight-fixed rear axle? (fixed/no differential)
* How many controllers? 1 front, 1-rear with series/parallel...
or 3 seperate controllers.
If they do more, I want to see more of the racing cars,
Father Time's bike, and definately Otmar's couch and/or bar-stools.
What parts were faked? Was it really some random guy doing
the emergency weld with 4 sunglasses, or was that one of the crew...
and they just didn't film it, so they re-created?
I wonder how the character protrayals compare to real life.
Rod seemed very intense, very Jesse James like.
Rich seemed beyond mellow.
Ot didn't have enough time to say much.
To me, the most interesting character was Father Time.
Perfect storybook kind and gentle, wise elder statesman.
I guess that little quip about wearing a pipe wrench was canned,
but he still seems very amusing. I want to see him race!
--
Aaron Birenboim | This space available!
Albuquerque, NM |
aaron_at_birenboim.com |
http://aaron.boim.com |
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Hi Jerry,
I don't think converting a Soleg to another battery design is really much
of an option. They did a wonderful job of making it all fit, but it is too
tight for much modification. The dry-fit Sonnenshien design batteries are
shorter than the standard T-105s and the pack is virtually against the
inside of the hood now. T-105s would not fit in the available space and
would pretty much ruin the best features of the car. With the Sonnenshien
batteries the system stays clean and has no corrosion problems. Add
flooded batteries and I think it would all be ruined. The Soleg design is
a tight fit because they retained the stock transmission and the
electronics is very bulky. In many ways the design is on the same level as
the Solectria Force conversions, perhaps even more advanced. Almost any
modification would be a major engineering challenge.
As for battery life, it seems the normal gloomy predictions on battery life
of a sealed battery without regulators do not seem to apply as well to cars
with a carefully designed charging system. Both the Soleq and Solectria
cars do not use any kind of battery management yet both are known to
deliver very reasonable battery life. They also both use gel-cel
batteries, modest perfomance, and have regen. Maybe this has something to
do with it. Could adding regulators or a BMS improve things? Maybe, maybe
not. Regulators would probably completely confuse the charger. Yes, some
folks can get as many as 7 years from a battery pack others only as few as
1 year. Often you will find both got about the same number of miles, one
just drove only short hops while the other took long deep discharge
runs. There are really almost too many variables to predicting battery
life to make any prediction accurate.
I got to drive a Soleq EVcort and looked it over rather thoroughly. It
seems like a very nice car, but I would not count on altering it to do
things it cannot now do. It is really designed as a complete system and as
it is it all works well together. Change part of that, and I think it
would work against you.
In the end it all really comes down to what your personal needs and how
well the car matches those needs. If you need more range than it current
delivers then you are going to find it very hard to find any EV to do the
job. 40-60 miles per charge with a 4-5 passenger car is about as good as
it gets in the used or conversion EV market. Advanced batteries can bring
you more range, but you no longer have a "plug and play" solution.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
'95 Solectria Force
Kansas City, Missouri
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Fw: Two 8" vs 1 9"...Zombie Gets a BIG motor!]
> At 08:28 AM 4/19/2004, you wrote:
> >Hello to All,
> I'm also building an airplane (RV-7) in my garage.
Hey, Bill - do you get any kit parts from Van's Aircraft? They make parts
for the RV series planes right here in Aurora, OR, not 5 miles from my
house. I have some friends who work there.
Joseph H. Strubhar
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: www.gremcoinc.com
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It's is possible to install two motors on a standard differential or a
independent suspension type differential as a Corvette type.
I have seen this on drag vehicles that have two engines or drive units to
one differential.
It look's like they use a bolt on Pinion support case that bolts on to a
axil housing and another one that is bolted on the other side where the
inspection plate was.
There was one company that made a rocket assist drive that bolted in place
of this cover, that provided a drive to the ring gear and provided thrust to
push a full size 4000 lb street car to 200 mph in a quarter mile.
My differential in my EV is from Mark Williams of which they design and
built for my unit. If you contact them, they may engineer a duel drive unit
for you and may provide you with a FREEBEE!!!
Mark Williams Contacts is www.markwilliams.com
1-800-525-1963
Roland
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: "Sucking Amps" was the best EV show ever!
> Bob, One thing that I have not explained in great dealtail on the
> Suck Amps dot com site is that part of my goal with this vehicle is
> handling. It is the reason I wanted independent rear suspension. It
> is the reason I wanted the batteries mounted low and in the center of
> the vehicle in order to give a low MOL (moment of inertia). My goal
> is to blow off Vetts and Miada's in Autocross. Can you imagine what
> it would "THE" point of the project.
>
> Roderick
> "Suck Amps EV Racing"
>
>
>
> >Rod;
> >
> >This is a drag vehicle, why run an independent rear setup?
> >
> >Why not put a 9 inch Ford under it, or if you have to run an
> >independent rear, how about a Winters or Hali brand center section,
> >with half shafts, or maybe a Corvette style rear
> >
> >Jag would not hold up as well I don't think
> >
> >You sure won't break the rear end components, but you would have to
> >give up 1 rear motor. maybe1 rear motor larger than the existing
> >ones????
> >
> >I'm not trying to 2nd guess you guys, but I know from lots of racing
> >experience how strong 9 inch Ford rears are. But you know a lot more
> >about EV's than I ever will.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >David Dymaxion wrote:
> >
> >>Mustang and Corvette IRSs might be up to it. Figure about 3:1 for
> >>first gear, 3:1 for the rear end, for roughly an overall 10:1
> >>reduction ratio. Stock the motors make almost 400 ft lbs of torque,
> >>so they are taking about 4000 ft lbs of torque at the rear axle.
> >>
> >>Dang, the GP does twice the torque of a V8 Corvette, on just one of
> >>the two axles!
> >>--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>... off the line. If it divides evenly (it may not) this is 7,500
> >>>ft-lbs per side. You are going to have a tough time finding IRS
> >>>components to
> >>>take this much torque. Perhaps something from a large truck.
> >>>...
> >>>
> >>>
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> Roderick Wilde
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John, Be VERY worried. "Gone Postal" was a dog out of the hole at Vegas.
That is why the ET was so high with 1/3rd power and a burnt front motor.
This is no longer the case. I think I know a bit about acceleration and I
feel this monster is going to give the "Maniac Mazda" some competition.
Speaking of the "Maniac Mazda", you will be seeing her back in circulation
this drag season as well as an all newly race prepped 1929 yellow street rod
and a Subaru micro van. John, since you're much better with words than you
are at making your car go fast, why don't you come up with a name for the
little van.
Roderick
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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At 08:56 AM 4/24/2004, you wrote:
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Fw: Two 8" vs 1 9"...Zombie Gets a BIG motor!]
> At 08:28 AM 4/19/2004, you wrote:
> >Hello to All,
> I'm also building an airplane (RV-7) in my garage.
Hey, Bill - do you get any kit parts from Van's Aircraft? They make parts
for the RV series planes right here in Aurora, OR, not 5 miles from my
house. I have some friends who work there.
I get nearly ALL my airplane parts from Vans.
_ /| Bill "Wisenheimer" Dube'
\'o.O' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Check out the bike -> http://www.KillaCycle.com
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Hello to All,
>
> What parts were faked?
Rod as a mean guy....not! Rudman a s a calm individual....not!
>
> I wonder how the character protrayals compare to real life.
> Rod seemed very intense, very Jesse James like.
Rod 'is' intense! Rod is also very kind, very giving, while at the same time, cocky as
they come....it's a very interesting combination that earns him the nickname I gave him
years ago, Crazy Rod. He's a guy who will also give you the shirt off his back,
especially
if it's one with a skull on it.
>
> Rich seemed beyond mellow.
Whoa....not 'even' close! Rich 'the MadMan' Rudman is almost as intense as my full
Greek
mother...almost. Rich is like a nuclear reactor with legs, a robot who's program goes
askew, the hyper child that just can't behave himself. It took years for my wife to
accept
him into the family....the bad thing, is now she loves the guy, and actually encourages
his bad behavior! Rich is also too intelligent for his own good, not that his wacky
writing style is any indication! They must have drugged him for the film session,
that's
all I can come up with for an explanation of his perceived mellowness.
> Ot didn't have enough time to say much.
Doesn't have to...what comes out, is always something to make others stop talking and
simply listen. Oat is also intense, but in a more god-like way :-)
> To me, the most interesting character was Father Time.
> Perfect storybook kind and gentle, wise elder statesman.
> I guess that little quip about wearing a pipe wrench was canned,
> but he still seems very amusing. I want to see him race!
Father Time is a one of a kind original! The man is beyond mere mortals, trust me. I've
always said he looks like a reject from ZZ Top, the fourth guy that just missed the
cut to
be in the band! I've got some great photos of him I've taken over the years....he's
extremely photogenic. Those of us in the race scene, call him our poster child.
Whenever
magazine and film crews show up, they gravitate to him. His creativity and workmanship
make me feel embarrassed over the stuff I manage to put together. As kind and gentle
as he
is, don't get in his way when he's in the groove at the track....he gets into a full
focus
mode that's pretty amazing.
I am fortunate to know all of these guys. They often hang out here at the Wayland
backyard
EV Juice Bar/ Laboratory. My neighbors seem to be very amused at the stream of
'characters' that show up.
See Ya.....John Wayland
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Rod ! I'll take a few of those T-Sirts (not sure of the spelling)
But I like the IDEA. I think they would go GREAT at the big
Custom and Hot Rod Show on Greenwood AV where THIS year we are going to
INVADE the Oil Junkies and Gear Heads with our own EV sub-display...
(Gasless on Greenwood 2004) this comming June 26th. We are planning to
have some video clips playing (continuously) of the MM beating a
viper. and what ever else we can clip together...
So... my question is: $$ What does a small run of T-Shirts cost $$
SEVA or NEDRA on one side and... our (your new registered sloagen) on
the other....
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Steven S. Lough, Pres.
Seattle EV Association
6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
Seattle, WA 98115-7230
Day: 206 850-8535
Eve: 206 524-1351
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I finally got a chance to watch the program. It was a lot of fun. Great job!
If you have not seen it, I think Sucking Amps is on again Sunday at 1:00 pm EST. If
you hare seen it and liked it , take the time to let Discovery Chanel know. <please
send feedback to the following address: http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations >
We want more episodes!
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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Hello to All,
I'm happy to report, that the extended weather forecast for the Portland Metro area for
the next ten days, including race day, is for warm and dry, in the 70-80 degree
range...perfect for drag racing! I'm hoping my EV and hybrid friends can join us for
some
seriously fun racing.
Here's a special invite...Father Time and Tom True, can you bring the Silver Bullet
down?
As I reported the NW Datsun Owners Association is bringing a bunch of hopped up
Datsuns to
the track...this will include 1200's, pickups, 510's, and Z Cars. W'll be meeting up at
the the Portland Meadows
Burger King close to the track, at around 7:00 or so. It would be great fro them to
see a
Z Car run 14's on electric power! My guess, is that you and the car will be swarmed by
Datsun enthusiasts.
Rod, Rudman, you guys in? Get to Portland in the early afternoon, I'll be off work
early,
so we''l have time to do a battery swap in Goldie.
Gotta go....the weather's perfect for tearing the back of the Zombie apart.
See Ya.....John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
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Well, if they're round they are probably either monosilicone or
polycrystaline. Though I have only seen polycrystaline in square sizes.
Look at the cell: If it is pure black, it's monocrystaline. Around
17-21% efficient. Polycrystaline looks like a bunch of finely grained
squares and rectangles in the substrate up close. Around 14% efficient.
Thin film is usually the size of the panel since they can make the stuff
in sheets. Then they laser-etch the junctions. About 4-7% efficient.
Each cell will put out .5 volts Voc. Thus a 18 volt panel is 36 cells,
etc...
If the substrate is a gold or muddy color, these may be tri-lams from
the cardozza plant. Back in the early 80's they built a big assed solar
panel plant in the desert with Arco panels. Problem was they used
mirrors to focus the sunlight and really cremated the panels. When they
took down the plant some company rated all the panels and sold them on
the market. The best IIRC were tri-lams and were about 50% rated
capacity or so. The intense heat turned the panels gold/brown.
It is impossible to damage a solar panel by dead shorting it. Also I
would doubt that these panels are more than 60 watts. I have MSX-120's
on my shed; you can see how big they are at http://www.crystel.com.
What you can do to screw your life is to put them in parallel without
fuses on each string. Thus if one cell were to short out somehow the
rest of the panels would happily back-feed into the string causing
meltdown or a small roof fire. Bad. NEC is your friend.
As long as your meter is checking amps using the 10amp setting you will
be fine unless the sun decided to go nova this afternoon. In this case
you might damage your meter, but at that point that would be the least
of your worries.
Chris
Rick wrote:
Hi EVerybody,
A big thanks for all the replies guys!! I appreciate it! I'll test these and
then test the waters on pricing them with the owner.
I would assume that nobody has seen the 6 inch round disk type with gold
grids and can tell me what type of panel technology it is. I don't know if
it's an early thin film amphorous or mono crystaline. That would perhaps
greatly aid me in researching life expectancy and then make a blind guess
about their ~value~, regardles of output. I know my current thin film
amphorous panels are warranted for 5 years to put out 80% of rated curent.
After five years, I worry that it will fall off from that 80% exponentially
faster. Five years isn't bad, considering that the rool-up flexible panels
are only warranted for 3 years! OOOUCH! They aren't inexpensive either, just
a lot lighter than the glass type I have.
I'll try testing the used panels my friend's neighbor has tomorrow if he is
home and doesn't mind.
I especially appreciate the test procedures given. I would have been worried
about dead shorting PV panels into my DVTM. I usually send smoke tests when
I do things like that without verifying such procedures. It's good to have
such a fine and valuable resource as this at our disposal. Pat yourselves on
the back!!!
Regards and thanks,
Rick
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I beg to differ. Sonnenschein and Deka chemistry gel batteries if
treated correctly with no regulators can do as much as 35,000 miles in a
smaller conversion. Typical is more like 20,000, but that's better than
most anything else I read about on the list.
Why?
Chris
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4/23/04 - 1:36 pm Video Available
Hybrid Cars In High Demand
News 36 Video Here is the story: � Hybrid Cars
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Those steadily rising gas prices are having a positive impact when
it comes to hybrid cars. Auto dealers say the half engine, half
electric-powered vehicles have never been in higher demand.
Hybrid cars have become so popular that one Austin Toyota dealership
estimates it has about three interested customers for every one
Prius that becomes available.
"It's a very smooth ride," Dr. Phil Schmidt, UT professor and hybrid
expert, said.
In these days of high gas prices, the Toyota Prius is a cheap ride
too.
"I'm actually getting in city driving with this car, about 45 miles
to the gallon," Schmidt said.
The Prius is a hybrid car. It combines a smaller engine with a high
voltage electrical system.
"So far, the engine has never come on. We're an electric car right
now. Now, the engine just came on. You never have to charge the
battery because the engine recharges the battery while you're
driving," Schmidt said.
These hybrids average twice the gas mileage of a standard car.
"Emission wise, you do even better than that because the hybrid
really cuts out the worst emission part of the driving cycle. So,
you'll get 80 to 90 percent reduction in the vehicle emissions,"
Schmidt said.
What was once a rarity on the road is now out of stock at local
dealerships.
"We've got a huge list that's waiting, and it looks like we're sold
out till '05. When the '05s come out, we'll start hitting it again.
Hopefully, they'll start producing more at that time," Chance Davis
with Charles Maund Toyota said.
Hybrid SUVs, like Toyota's Highlander, are coming soon.
"When they add that electric-hybrid system into it, it's just going
to be unbelievable. The demand for it is going to be just as good,
if not better on that, than the Prius," Davis said.
In fact, there's already a waiting list for Ford's new hybrid Escape
SUV, which starts production this summer.
"They're projecting gas mileage in the city to be in the mid to
upper-30s, which is about double what the normal Escape runs right
now," Scott Utterback, Covert Ford general sales manager, said.
The Lexus RX Hybrid SUV will also hit the lots later this year. But
these fuel-efficient, low-emission trucks are going to cost you.
Some estimates have prices running several thousand dollars more
than the non-hybrid models.
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Apr. 23, 2004. 06:51 AM
With no `vroom,' electric scooters are born to be mild
JOE FIORITO
Two motor scooters, brand-new and dirt-free, gleamed in the early
evening light, leaning on their kickstands in the parking lot at
Centennial College in Scarborough. Ten men stood around the scooters
in a gosh-and-golly circle, rubbing their hands and grinning like
boys.
One of the scooters was black and white and cute all over, with
softly rounded lines and polished chrome, the sort of motorbike
you'd expect to see in a post-war Italian movie; all it lacked was a
girl in a summer dress with a kerchief on her head.
The other scooter was bright red, the body cut along hard-edged,
computer-generated lines. If it were black, you'd say it was a
stealth bike which had raced in under the radar.
The men belong to the Electric Vehicle Society of Canada. They are
thinkers, tinkerers, scientists, can-do guys with skinned knuckles.
The bikes � love at first sight � are electric.
Someone said, "How big is the battery?"
Monte Gisborne � he is a mechanical engineer, a great-great grandson
of the man who laid the trans-Atlantic cable and a distant relative
of Isaac Newton � said, "Forty-eight volts."
Gisborne, who is also a member of the EV Society, sells electric
vehicles; mainly, those little rubber-tired things you see in
provincial parks. The scooters are his. They are the only ones of
their kind in Canada.
"How fast will they go?"
"The top speed is 60 kilometres an hour."
"What kind of distance are we talking?"
"They'll run about 50�60 kilometres."
"How long does it take to charge the battery?"
Gisborne said, "The charger runs off 220 volts or 110 volts. It's
sitting over there on the trailer. You can plug it in anywhere." It
looked like one of those slick little things attached to my
computer.
He said, "Wherever you plug it in, the charger senses the voltage
and responds accordingly. At 220v, it takes two hours from dead
empty to a full charge. It's four hours if you're using 110v. It
costs about two bits to charge it up."
The men whistled through their teeth.
Howard Hutt stepped forward and peered closely. He is president of
the Electric Vehicle Society. He has some serious credentials. Back
in the day, he worked on the fuel system of the Avro Arrow. These
days, among other things, he is helping some high school kids in
Georgetown convert a gas-guzzler into an electric car. "Very nicely
made," he said.
Gisborne said, "They're made in Taiwan. They've made about 8,000 of
them so far. They've sold 5,000 in Asia and 3,000 in Europe, and
maybe 100 in the States. I brought in five. I've got one at the
shop, and I've got these two. I sold a pair of them to Transport
Canada. They comply with all the regulations. You need a motorcycle
licence to operate them." Then came the most important question of
the evening.
"Can I take one for a spin?"
Trevor Parker, a young guy who owns a landscape business and who
also sells electric tractors, put on the helmet Gisborne gave him.
He straddled the seat. He found his balance.
Off he went.
You'd have shaken your head if you'd seen him go. There was no
"vroom."
It sounded like one hand clapping. It sounded like some zephyr had
come up from behind and pushed him into silent motion. He slowed for
a brief speed bump in the parking lot, pulled to a stop at the
street corner, and then he zipped away.
He zipped soundlessly.
Not what you expect from a scooter.
After everyone had had a ride, the men went inside and had their
monthly meeting. The talk was about all forms of electric
propulsion, and why the Big Three auto makers are dead set against
electric cars, and they shared news of upcoming events, and one
fellow showed off a set of plans for a solar-powered charging
station � ideal for use with an electric boat out in the wilderness,
or for one of these scooters � and someone else asked why the city
didn't have a fleet of electric vehicles, and so on and so forth;
meeting adjourned.
That last question is a good one.
Why doesn't Toronto have a fleet of electric vehicles? Other cities
� New York, San Francisco � are trying them out. Cheap to run. Cheap
to maintain. Bonus? No pollution. We could use a pilot project like
that here. Electric cars, perfect for those half-cops who hand out
parking tickets. At least they'd be doing something useful.
The scooters?
They cost the same as a regular gas-burner. They'd be useful for a
short commute and a welcome relief downtown, which is far too choked
with exhaust.
The only drawback?
The silence takes some getting used to.
Joe Fiorito usually appears Monday, Wednesday and Friday. E-mail:
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Port Townsend: Electric car builder-racer's dream on national TV
tonight 2004-04-22 by LUKE BOGUES
PORT TOWNSEND -- Roderick Wilde's electric car obsession is hitting
national television tonight.
A reality television program that showcases Wilde's attempt to turn
an electric mail delivery van into a 600-horsepower street racer
airs tonight on the Discovery Channel.
``Sucking Amps,'' as its called, premieres at 10 p.m. tonight and
repeats at 1 a.m. Friday. A third showing is at 1 p.m. Sunday.
The show takes Wilde's idea for the van, called ``Gone Postal,''
from conception in his Glen Cove workshop to the racetrack in Las
Vegas.
``It's just a show about this whacked-out amp head, you know?''
Wilde said in describing the show during filming last November.
The car proved too successful on the racetrack when its power
literally tore components apart.
Wilde's obsession has gone on after the show, however, and he's
determined to break a world record by the end of the month -- even
if it's not available on America's TV sets.
With some new drive shafts from a race sponsor, The Driveshaft Shop
of Islandia, N.Y., Wilde hopes his mail van will become the first
street-legal electric car to break 100 mph in a quarter-mile.
The attempt place April 30 at Bremerton Raceway. Gates open at 3
p.m. that day and the racing starts at 4 p.m.
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[image] -Jean Sammis
Park Blocks passers-by stop to check out the sun through telescopes
set up by astronomer John Dobson yesterday, as part of PSU's
celebration of the 34th annual Earth Day.
Working for a cleaner world
PSU joins worldwide efforts on Earth Day
Matt Petrie April 23, 2004
PSU students celebrated the 34th annual Earth Day in the Park Blocks
yesterday with live bands, speakers and booths promoting
environmental issues.
The Oregon Electric Vehicle Association brought several electric and
hybrid cars into the Park Blocks, and members eagerly promoted the
virtues of cars that use less fuel.
PGE had a booth promoting their renewable energy plan, which allows
customers to choose to use power from environmentally friendly
sources like wind and geo-thermal power plants for a small increase
in their monthly bill.
Other organizations represented included the Sierra Club, and Bark,
a volunteer organization that promotes protecting Oregon's public
forests.
Logging on Mount Hood and in Oregon in general was also one of the
major issues addressed. In particular the proposed plan to log as
much as 29,000 acres of the Siskiyou National Forest as part of the
cleanup from last year's Biscuit wildfire.
"We can create jobs and save the forests," Betsy Breyer, one of the
speakers said. "Ecology and economy are not at odds with each
other."
A representative from Bark also spoke about proposed timber sales
around Mount Hood, and pleaded for people to get involved.
[image]-Jean Sammis
The Oregon Electric Car Association brought an assortment of
alternative-fuel vehicles to the Park Blocks for a peek under the
hood yesterday.
Earth Day first began on April 22, 1970, as the project of Gaylord
Nelson, then a U.S. Senator from Wisconsin. Nelson proposed the a
nationwide environmental protest "to shake up the political
establishment and force this issue onto the national agenda."
Nelson, 87, was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the
highest honor given to civilians in the United States, for his
efforts creating Earth Day, and is still involved with Earth Day
events.
This year, Nelson marked the occasion by urging President George W.
Bush to deliver an annual "state of the environment address," and
telling Congress to hold hearings on environmental sustainability.
In 1990, Earth Day became a global event, involving over 200 million
people in 141 countries around the world. Today, as many as 184
countries are involved.
Over 20 million people in the United States alone participated in
Earth Day activities including tree planting, beach clean-ups and
public demonstrations.
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Roland;
They make special gear boxes to connect multiple motors to drive shaft
or differential..
Very common in Tractor pullers and marine applications. There are also
industrial gear boxes used for electric motors.
Bob
Roland Wiench wrote:
It's is possible to install two motors on a standard differential or a
independent suspension type differential as a Corvette type.
I have seen this on drag vehicles that have two engines or drive units to
one differential.
It look's like they use a bolt on Pinion support case that bolts on to a
axil housing and another one that is bolted on the other side where the
inspection plate was.
There was one company that made a rocket assist drive that bolted in place
of this cover, that provided a drive to the ring gear and provided thrust to
push a full size 4000 lb street car to 200 mph in a quarter mile.
My differential in my EV is from Mark Williams of which they design and
built for my unit. If you contact them, they may engineer a duel drive unit
for you and may provide you with a FREEBEE!!!
Mark Williams Contacts is www.markwilliams.com
1-800-525-1963
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: "Sucking Amps" was the best EV show ever!
Bob, One thing that I have not explained in great dealtail on the
Suck Amps dot com site is that part of my goal with this vehicle is
handling. It is the reason I wanted independent rear suspension. It
is the reason I wanted the batteries mounted low and in the center of
the vehicle in order to give a low MOL (moment of inertia). My goal
is to blow off Vetts and Miada's in Autocross. Can you imagine what
it would "THE" point of the project.
Roderick
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
Rod;
This is a drag vehicle, why run an independent rear setup?
Why not put a 9 inch Ford under it, or if you have to run an
independent rear, how about a Winters or Hali brand center section,
with half shafts, or maybe a Corvette style rear
Jag would not hold up as well I don't think
You sure won't break the rear end components, but you would have to
give up 1 rear motor. maybe1 rear motor larger than the existing
ones????
I'm not trying to 2nd guess you guys, but I know from lots of racing
experience how strong 9 inch Ford rears are. But you know a lot more
about EV's than I ever will.
Bob
David Dymaxion wrote:
Mustang and Corvette IRSs might be up to it. Figure about 3:1 for
first gear, 3:1 for the rear end, for roughly an overall 10:1
reduction ratio. Stock the motors make almost 400 ft lbs of torque,
so they are taking about 4000 ft lbs of torque at the rear axle.
Dang, the GP does twice the torque of a V8 Corvette, on just one of
the two axles!
--- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
... off the line. If it divides evenly (it may not) this is 7,500
ft-lbs per side. You are going to have a tough time finding IRS
components to
take this much torque. Perhaps something from a large truck.
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They did show the launches because they were rather pathetic. When We
get it TO lauch, at full power, then we will do some bragging.
As of last weekend we CAN launch with wheel spin should we want to.
On the street - yes. On the drag strip - highly unlikely.
There is about three times the traction on the drag strip than
there is on ordinary pavement.
Do I have the weight of the van right at 5,000 lbs? If so, you
have no hope of spinning the tires on the drag strip. If you manage to
develop the needed torque with the motors and reduction gears, you will
break the IRS components before you spin the tires on the launch at the
drag strip.
Someone suggested a Corvette IRS. Good idea. A Corvette IRS might
take the torque if you beefed it up. They are not at all difficult to beef up.
You might consider doing a reduction at each wheel, sort of like
they used to do on VW Micro Busses and antique Mac trucks. This would keep
the heavy components short and small.
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Roderick;
Then it makes sense to keep the rear independent!
Keeping the batteries weight set low and toward the rear will help on
the drag strip too.
Did you guys have a tough time fitting that gas motor and trans into
going postal to pull back out? ;)
Bob
Roderick Wilde wrote:
Bob, One thing that I have not explained in great dealtail on the Suck
Amps dot com site is that part of my goal with this vehicle is
handling. It is the reason I wanted independent rear suspension. It is
the reason I wanted the batteries mounted low and in the center of the
vehicle in order to give a low MOL (moment of inertia). My goal is to
blow off Vetts and Miada's in Autocross. Can you imagine what it would
"THE" point of the project.
Roderick
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
Rod;
This is a drag vehicle, why run an independent rear setup?
Why not put a 9 inch Ford under it, or if you have to run an
independent rear, how about a Winters or Hali brand center section,
with half shafts, or maybe a Corvette style rear
Jag would not hold up as well I don't think
You sure won't break the rear end components, but you would have to
give up 1 rear motor. maybe1 rear motor larger than the existing
ones????
I'm not trying to 2nd guess you guys, but I know from lots of racing
experience how strong 9 inch Ford rears are. But you know a lot more
about EV's than I ever will.
Bob
David Dymaxion wrote:
Mustang and Corvette IRSs might be up to it. Figure about 3:1 for
first gear, 3:1 for the rear end, for roughly an overall 10:1
reduction ratio. Stock the motors make almost 400 ft lbs of torque,
so they are taking about 4000 ft lbs of torque at the rear axle.
Dang, the GP does twice the torque of a V8 Corvette, on just one of
the two axles!
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... off the line. If it divides evenly (it may not) this is 7,500
ft-lbs per side. You are going to have a tough time finding IRS
components to
take this much torque. Perhaps something from a large truck.
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Hi All,
I just received 3 Curtis/Albright contactors,
SW80B-783T.
They were qouted as 48vdc coil and 100 amps
cont duty.
But the label says under volts, 60 CO.
So can anyone tell me what I actually have?
Can these be rebuilt?
I've been using GC contactors but they seem to
have a short life in my service ;-0.
Thanks,
jerry dycus
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