EV Digest 3838
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) EVent Not at Stanford U, its at Palo Alto High School
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) EVLN(Red lights spur impromptu solar EV q-n-a)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Need help finding part
by "Raymond Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Fwd: An update from AC Propulsion
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Orbital "real life" A-hrs?
by Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) EV Air Car
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: EV Air Car
by "Andre Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) TEVAN's up for auction
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
9) RE: EV Air Car
by "Markus L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Was Re: EVLN(?Firefighter hybrid cutting: now firefighter airbag dangers
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
by "Dave Davidson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Need help finding part
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
13) MK 8AU1 experiences / cycles ?
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Orbital "real life" A-hrs?
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Soleq EVcort Brush Change
by Marvin Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Fwd: TEVAN's up for auction
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: EV Air Car
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: TEVAN's up for auction
by Gordon Niessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Woodburn 2004, My response to Rudman
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) NEVs in Our Future?
by "Tom Shay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Nearing completion questions
by Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Nearing completion questions
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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As already POSTed, and repeatly mentioned in my ampabout
POSTs, the EVent is at Palo Alto High School.
Stanford U thinks having production EVs being actively
promoted is a commercial activity (like we were selling
something). Stanford does not allow that.
Also Stanford usually had conflicts with a big football
game on the date the chapter used. Ironically, now there
aren't any production EVs to promote, but Stanford says
no.
So, that EAA chapter found another host, Palo Alto High
School which is just outside Stanford U. at Embarcadero
and El Camino Real.
Visibility is good, its right on a main drag (El Camino
Real), and there is plenty of power for charging.
There is a large need to have personal EVs zipping
around the perimeter sidewalks. This attracks the
public to come into the PA HS parking lot. So bring
your EVs, nEVs, Escoots, Escooters, and the like.
For those coming to the EVent and need charging maps
to get there, see http://evchargernews.com but be
warned. That list has incorrect listings of private
company sites that are not-public: Agilent, ect.
Do not use those.
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0927_040927_solar_car.html#main
Solar Car Racing Competition Heats Up
Brian Handwerk for National Geographic News September 27, 2004
Pick your vehicle�stock car, motorcycle, pickup truck, riding
lawn mower�and competitors in the United States race them. So,
too, the solar-powered car.
Robert Becho is a member of the solar-powered car racing team at
the University of Missouri, Rolla. His crew's sleek, low-slung
vehicle is covered with cells that convert sunlight to
electricity and power the vehicle. (The world's fastest solar
racer, the Netherlands-based Nuna 2, has topped out at 105 miles
an hour/170 kilometers an hour.)
Competitions take place on public roads. As a result, "we become
a rolling science project," said Becho, a computer and
engineering student. He notes that red lights often spur
impromptu question-and-answer sessions with drivers of regular
cars.
A solar car races down the street in the World Solar Challenge.
Held every two years in Australia, the race began in 1987 and was
the world's first solar car race.
[Photograph by Roff Smith, copyright National Geographic Society]
"In NASCAR you might know the drivers, but [in solar racing] the
car is the star," said Dan Eberle, president of the Freeman,
Missouri-based New Resources Group. The company organizes solar
car racing events, including the American Solar Challenge. The
biannual, cross-country race�the world's longest solar car race�
serves as a kind of solar-car Super Bowl.
The competition pits about two dozen college-based teams on a
roughly 2,200-mile (3,500-kilometer) race from Chicago, Illinois,
to Claremont, California. The cars compete from sunup to
sundown.
The University of Missouri-Rolla team won the 2003 race, crossing
the finish line in 51 hours, 47 minutes. Traffic and stoplights
en route dropped the team's average speed to 43.3 miles an hour
(70 kilometers an hour).
While the competition is fierce, participants say a spirit of
friendly rivalry prevails. "Everybody wants to win, but there's
no shortage of friendship and camaraderie," Robert Becho said.
"We all know about long nights in the shop."
During races, support vehicles follow the solar-powered cars to
ensure other drivers spot the low-slung vehicles.
The hobby still carries risk. Last month University of Toronto
student Andrew Frow died in a two-car crash on a highway near
Kitchener, Ontario, while driving his team's Blue Sky Solar
Racing car. (Frow was not competing at the time but was on a
ten-day solar car tour.)
"We've always known it was dangerous," Eberle said. "These solar
cars are experimental vehicles. Although we do the best that we
can with the structure, braking, and handling, the fact is that
bad stuff can happen."
Rigorous safety requirements, like roll bars and cages, have long
been in place for solar racers. However, Eberle said Frow's death
has spurred the solar-car racing community to further improve
safety.
Better, Faster
The first solar car race, the World Solar Challenge, took place
in 1987 in Australia. The outback race continues today. Held
every two years, it is considered the sport's premier
international event.
Eberle constructed his first solar car with fellow Crowder
College students and remembers its performance well. "Slow as
pond water," he noted.
By 1990 he was running the first American Solar Challenge,
originally known as the Sunrayce.
As the competition has grown, some teams have incorporated
sponsors�including major automakers.
"It can be a very expensive proposition. There is a loose but not
direct correlation between money spent and performance," Eberle
said. "But even in the face of bigger budgets and bigger teams,
it's still a race where a new idea can put you in front.
Creativity pays off."
That creative process is also its own reward, no matter where one
ends up on the results board.
"Building the car is 90 percent of what you'll get out of the
project," Eberle said. "Racing is the cream on top."
Creating True Believers
The U.S. Department of Energy Solar Energy Technology Program has
been cosponsoring the race since its inception. The department's
Richard King explains that the race creates a hands-on, minds-on
project for university engineering students.
"We've had maybe six or eight thousand students involved over the
years," Eberle said. "The thing that they remember about going to
college is that they made something that took very little energy
to go a long way."
"When [graduates] go to work, you see the application of those
technologies," he added. "It seeds the field of people who will
make stuff for you and me to use with people who will take risks
and experiment with energy-efficient ideas."
Those ideas are first put to the test in the constant battle to
improve the solar race vehicles. Most observers of the first
American Solar Challenge 14 years ago and last year's race would
not see much difference in the cars. But they are vast.
The process is part of what King terms the
research-and-development benefits of the racing program. The
biggest improvements have come in aerodynamics, reduced rolling
resistance, and greater efficiency in converting solar energy to
mechanical power.
"It's really cutting edge technology, and they are pushing every
year to get a faster car," King said. "That really accelerates
research and development in the electric-vehicle field as well as
in the hybrid field."
Fifteen years ago, an average daily speed of 25 miles an hour (40
kilometers an hour) was a great achievement for the best solar
car team in the U.S.
"Today the technology has improved so much that there is no
highway in America that holds them back," King said. "We've
imposed a 65 mile per hour [105 kilometer an hour] limit just for
safety. But they can go faster � 65, 70, 80 miles an hour [105 to
128 kilometers an hour] all day long."
"It's incredible," he said. "It shows how [teams have] really
pushed the technology in only about a decade." The race also
serves as a public relations bonanza for the promise of solar
power.
"Lots of people come out and see the races. We need to educate
the public to accept these technologies," King said. He added,
"We're having a lot of fun out there while we do it."
� 2004 National Geographic Society. All rights reserved.
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You should be able to find a variety of 24vt 40amp breakers at any large
truck repair facility, also forklift repair shops have pieces like this as
well.
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The only problem is, they still price themselves out of the consumer market. There is
no way I can
spend $25k for a motor/controller. The Siemens equipment is one of the more expensive
(high
quality) options, and they are only a third the price. With a 10 year warranty!
Dave Cover
--- "George S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 21:21:14 -0700
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: "George S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: An update from AC Propulsion
>
> Hi all
> This came across the RAV4-EV list
>
> September 30, 2004
> An Update from AC Propulsion:
> Last September, in Sonoma, California, AC Propulsion's tzero electric
> sports car earned the highest overall score at the 2003 Michelin Challenge
> Bibendum. The tzero beat every other car entered including hybrids, fuel
> cell vehicles and other electrics. Based on that performance, four
> companies developed plans for electric vehicles designed around AC
> Propulsion electric drive technology and Li Ion batteries. Now one year
> later, three of those companies are unveiling their all-electric creations.
> � Volvo and its California Monitoring and Concept Center have developed an
> EV concept and entered it in this year's Michelin Challenge Bibendum in
> Shanghai, China. Very much a Volvo in appearance, the Volvo EV concept
> carries an underfloor Li Ion battery to power an AC Propulsion drive system
> in a stylish, efficient, and lightweight package. Built and tested in
> California, the Volvo EV will make its world debut in Shanghai.
> � Monaco-based Venturi Automobiles introduced the Venturi Fetish concept at
> the Paris Motor Show 2002. This year at Paris Motor Show 2004, the Fetish
> is back as a fully functional high-performance, sports 2-seater prototype.
> Venturi marks its 20th anniversary of automobile production with a nod to
> the future. The Fetish is electric, powered by AC Propulsion.
> � Courreges Design of Paris had a good run with its electric bubble car in
> the Bibendum last year. Stylish, well-driven, and fundamentally sound, it
> made a big impression but suffered from lack of power. Madame Courreges
> noted the tzero's performance and took bold action. She ordered a complete
> tzero drive and battery system from AC Propulsion. She didn't put it in a
> tzero though, and it's not in the bubble car either. It's hard to describe.
> You'll have to see it in action in Shanghai at the Michelin Challenge Bibendum.
> Each of these three cars reveals a different concept and style. All of them
> offer a vision of the future where cars run on electricity drawn straight
> from the grid, stored in lightweight, efficient, mass-produced Li Ion
> batteries, and delivered smoothly and efficiently to the drive wheels by AC
> Propulsion drive systems.
> You may wonder about the fourth company mentioned above. It's too soon to
> give details but imagine a company that wraps Silicon Valley
> entrepreneurship and British racing heritage around AC Propulsion
> technology and plans to take the delightful result it to market. Stay tuned.
> A year after its success in Sonoma, the first tzero continues to rack up
> miles - 75,000 total miles, 15,000 miles on the Li Ion battery installed in
> August, 2003. The second and third tzeros continue to make their owners
> happy. The tzero has made its case - EVs can be powerful, fun, and
> efficient - but progress marches on. These new vehicle concepts will
> supercede the tzero. Still there is one left. A fourth chassis awaits
> completion for an enthusiast who wants to own the last tzero.
> Remember, electric vehicles = transportation without petroleum.
>
>
>
>
>
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So the Orbital has around 25 Ah-rs in it? A bit lower than the 50 Ahrs
listed on the spec sheet.
Or a pack of 22 -> 6.6 KWH, enough to propel my S10 at least 13 miles
and maybe 26 miles on better days. Rather short range but fun miles.
Hmmmm....
Rich Rudman wrote:
I've gotten .28 to .32 Kwhr from them with a 750 watt load and 100 amp
rechrarges.
The scatter was from .25 to .34, with the average of.30.
Just a bit smaller and MUCH tighter spread than Optima Yellow tops.
They are keepers.
John Wayland says there is a higher selfdischarge, but it's just a bit
lower voltage after some stand by time.
I am not find much if any selfdischarge.
I don't have mine in cycle life use yet. But so far I am Very happy.
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From: "Jim Coate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 4:05 AM
Subject: Orbital "real life" A-hrs?
Now that folks have been using the Excide 34xd's for a little while,
what is the real-life capacity looking like?
The spec sheet says 50 A-hrs, so 80% DOD would be 40 A-hrs. Is this
number realistic?
PS My big talk a while ago of a new truck hasn't happened, but I still
lurk and the old truck keeps going, except the flooded's are at the end
of their life. So plan for now is to try some AGMs and a Zilla 1K for a
shorter but more fun range.
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1992 Chevy S-10 BEV
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I saw a French Air Car on CNN last night they claimed was for sale but didn't give any
particulars. Does anyone know if it's for real and how far/fast it can go after
plugging in to be "charged"?
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That one has been popping up every now and then for years. They always seem
to be almost ready to go into production. I had heard at one time that
someone was allowed to drive the prototype vehicle around the parking lot,
but they would not let him test the speed or range.
Thermodynamically it is a dumb way to do the job.
Thanks,
Andre' B. Clear Lake Wis.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Hanson
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: EV Air Car
> I saw a French Air Car on CNN last night they claimed was for sale but
> didn't give any particulars. Does anyone know if it's for real and how
> far/fast it can go after plugging in to be "charged"?
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There is a Onondaga County (Syracuse NY) public auction coming up on Oct
16th.
Among other things up for bids are 2 Dodge Electric Caravans. I was
planning on bidding on these two vans, but circumstances do not allow me
to purchase them at this time. If someone on the list would like me to
proxy for them I would be willing to do so.
http://www.ongov.net/purchase/surplus_sales/upcoming_auctions/?mode=display_photo&id=5509¤t=21
or
http://tinyurl.com/4bnly
In any event, if the winning bidder, happens to be a member of this
community........
I have the service manuals for these vans, and will be willing to part
with them.
If the winning bidder is NOT a member of this community, then I may let
the manuals go to a member who is and has a similar van.
I managed to get a quick look at the vans last spring at the Alternative
Vehicle Odyssey. I was told by the then person in care of the vans that
these were once owned by Niagara Mohawk, as is obvious by the paint
scheme, and that one of the vans had experimental batteries in it, and
could not be made to run(according to Chrysler) (ooh, I love a challenge).
The vans were donated to the Onondaga Community College, who did
nothing(much) with them and are now up for auction.
I've been waiting since the Odyssey for them to hit the auction block(I
was told then that they were coming up, sometime)
But as the way life always seems to go......if they went for auction
anytime up until about 3 weeks ago they would be mine.
Thats my story.....
Stay Charged!
Hump at evgrin dot com
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see http://www.theaircar.com/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andre Blanchard
> Sent: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2004 08:51
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: EV Air Car
>
>
> That one has been popping up every now and then for years.
> They always seem
> to be almost ready to go into production. I had heard at one
> time that
> someone was allowed to drive the prototype vehicle around the
> parking lot,
> but they would not let him test the speed or range.
> Thermodynamically it is a dumb way to do the job.
>
> Thanks,
> Andre' B. Clear Lake Wis.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Mark Hanson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:17 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: EV Air Car
>
> > I saw a French Air Car on CNN last night they claimed was
> for sale but
> > didn't give any particulars. Does anyone know if it's for
> real and how
> > far/fast it can go after plugging in to be "charged"?
>
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After talking with a REAL FIREFIGHTER, who had been
inserviced on hybrids, and showing him mine, he
mentioned that the real concern was the airbag
systems, not the HV lines. They are everywhere in
some cars, and shorting the cables can set them off.
That's worse than a jolt, according to him.
out.
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The problem I see with using the GPS is when the car is being towed behind a
motorhome. My car's odometer doesn't rack up miles when being towed, but a
GPS system would, and I would get charged for mileage not driven.
I've always believed that an EV with 100 to 150 miles range would be the
ideal towed car. Use it for all the local driving and recharge back at the
camp site.
Dave Davidson
Glen Burnie, MD
1993 Dodge TEVan
From: "Cameron-RR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:00:57 -0400
Everyone,
The fact is, you already "pay as you drive" in a general sense. I'm an
insurance agent, and we always ask the question, "How far do you drive to
work/school one way?" Most of you have probably heard the terms "Pleasure
Use" "Work Use" and "Business Use" These are rating scales based upon how
much you drive.
Progressive Insurance, I believe, is trying to use GPS systems in cars to
more accurately determine the amount of exposure (driving time) of their
insureds. I think this has 2 major pitfalls:
1. It will be much more difficult for people to budget their insurance
costs. Every month you make an extra long trip to grandma's house, you're
going to get a bigger bill. The fluctuations in the monthly bills will
undoubtedly catch some people off guard.
2. Once the GPS tracking technology gets spread throughout the
automobile/insurance industries, don't you think other parties will use
that
information too? i.e. Big Brother-Federal Government?
I personally don't need to make public my whereabouts 24/7/365.
What are your thoughts?
-Cameron
Cameron A. Shandersky
9655 Waterford Place #207
Loveland, OH 45140
(Until our House is done)
H.
W. 513.870.2580
M. 513.708.2544
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From: "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: Insurance idea: drive more, pay more
> I agree!:)
> Mike G.
>
> Rod Hower wrote:
>
> >Most odometer systems use a tach (hall based) pick-up
> >that sends info to the odometer/speedometer. Use a
> >switch to interupt this signal and you have 'on
> >demand' odometer control. So this switch can be used
> >as the insurance reducer.
> >Rod.
> >
> >--- "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>How is the mileage verified? It is to easy to
> >>disconnect the odometer.
> >>Mike G.
> >>
> >>Lee Dekker wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>http://www.rep-am.com/story.php?id=8843
> >>>
> >>>Linking premiums to a motorist's time behind the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>wheel has caught the fancy of a
> >>
> >>
> >>>Connecticut environmental group, which last month
> >>>
> >>>
> >>suggested it as an anti-pollution
> >>
> >>
> >>>initiative in a 54-page report meant for Gov. M.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Jodi Rell and state lawmakers.
> >>
> >>
> >>>The plan would reward motorists who drive less with
> >>>
> >>>
> >>lower rates. And, it would have the
> >>
> >>
> >>>added benefit of trimming exhaust fumes, the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>advocates said.
> >>
> >>
> >>>Pay-as-you-drive insurance remains relatively
> >>>
> >>>
> >>unknown nationally despite a pilot program
> >>
> >>
> >>>in the Midwest and another in a Northwestern state
> >>>
> >>>
> >>that offers tax credits for every
> >>
> >>
> >>>pay-as-you-drive insurance policy sold.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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In a message dated 10/6/2004 4:15:06 AM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< You should be able to find a variety of 24vt 40amp breakers at any large
truck repair facility, also forklift repair shops have pieces like this as
well. >>
Your local NAPA stoe should be able to get these.
Hope this helps,
Ben
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Can anyone comment on the cycle life and capacity of real-world usage of
the MK 8AU1?
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The Peukert effect strikes again -- the faster you pull the current,
the fewer Ahr you get. Here are some points for an optima or orbital:
1 Amp: about 100% spec Ahr
10 Amp: about 75% spec Ahr
100 Amp: about 50% spec Ahr
1000 Amp: about 25% spec Ahr
--- Jim Coate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So the Orbital has around 25 Ah-rs in it? A bit lower than the 50
> Ahrs
> listed on the spec sheet.
Hmmmm....
> >
> Or a pack of 22 -> 6.6 KWH, enough to propel my S10 at least 13
> miles
> and maybe 26 miles on better days. Rather short range but fun
> miles.
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Well, I finally got another controller for my EVcort to replace the one I
lost during their liquidation.
Now I have to replace the brushes, which wore out prematurely due to
excessive current draw caused by a problem in the field section of the sepex
controller.
Anybody out there ever work on one of these? It appears that one might be
able to just drop the motor out the bottom, but I would hate to start that
only to find some hidden reason why it won't come out that way. Plus, I know
it's all been balanced and I don't really trust that to remain even if I do
mark everything before disassembly.
Otherwise, I have to pull the front battery box. If I go that way, of course
I have to disconnect some battery interconnects, which are all soldered on.
Battery change docs on the car specify using a 1" hole-saw to remove the
lugs from the battery posts, and using a 500w soldering iron to resolder
them.
As I don't have a 500w soldering iron laying about, is there any reason I
can't (carefully) use an iron that goes on the end of a propane torch?
Can I use any rosin core solder?
Anybody else out there with soldered battery interconnects?
Thanks!
Marv
Culver City, CA
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Do you have any specifics of the drive train (motor, controller, batteries, charger)?
Any idea how
much they may go for?
Dave Cover (in CT)
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:45:58 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: TEVAN's up for auction
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> There is a Onondaga County (Syracuse NY) public auction coming up on Oct
> 16th.
>
> Among other things up for bids are 2 Dodge Electric Caravans. I was
> planning on bidding on these two vans, but circumstances do not allow me
> to purchase them at this time. If someone on the list would like me to
> proxy for them I would be willing to do so.
>
>
http://www.ongov.net/purchase/surplus_sales/upcoming_auctions/?mode=display_photo&id=5509¤t=21
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/4bnly
>
> In any event, if the winning bidder, happens to be a member of this
> community........
> I have the service manuals for these vans, and will be willing to part
> with them.
>
> If the winning bidder is NOT a member of this community, then I may let
> the manuals go to a member who is and has a similar van.
>
>
> I managed to get a quick look at the vans last spring at the Alternative
> Vehicle Odyssey. I was told by the then person in care of the vans that
> these were once owned by Niagara Mohawk, as is obvious by the paint
> scheme, and that one of the vans had experimental batteries in it, and
> could not be made to run(according to Chrysler) (ooh, I love a challenge).
>
> The vans were donated to the Onondaga Community College, who did
> nothing(much) with them and are now up for auction.
>
> I've been waiting since the Odyssey for them to hit the auction block(I
> was told then that they were coming up, sometime)
>
> But as the way life always seems to go......if they went for auction
> anytime up until about 3 weeks ago they would be mine.
>
>
> Thats my story.....
>
>
> Stay Charged!
> Hump at evgrin dot com
>
>
>
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Thanks for the link. I read the following under (Licenses) and it was enough
for me. It said at the bottom: " The attraction and excitement of the MDI
project is precisely in the fact that it is just beginning. When the car is
cruising through the streets it will be too late to invest. The opportunity
to take part now is a chance that will not be repeated. The attraction and
excitement of the MDI project is precisely in the fact that it is just
beginning. When the car is cruising through the streets it will be too late
to invest. The opportunity to take part now is a chance that will not be
repeated.
That says it all for me. I'm still a "Show me the beef" kind of guy.
Roderick
Roderick Wilde, President, EV Parts Inc.
Your Online EV Superstore
www.evparts.com
1-360-358-7082
Phone: 360-385-7966 Fax: 360-385-7922
PO Box 221, 107 Louisa Street
Port Townsend, WA 98368
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From: "Markus L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:48 AM
Subject: RE: EV Air Car
see http://www.theaircar.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andre Blanchard
Sent: Mittwoch, 6. Oktober 2004 08:51
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: EV Air Car
That one has been popping up every now and then for years.
They always seem
to be almost ready to go into production. I had heard at one
time that
someone was allowed to drive the prototype vehicle around the
parking lot,
but they would not let him test the speed or range.
Thermodynamically it is a dumb way to do the job.
Thanks,
Andre' B. Clear Lake Wis.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Hanson
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 7:17 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: EV Air Car
> I saw a French Air Car on CNN last night they claimed was
for sale but
> didn't give any particulars. Does anyone know if it's for
real and how
> far/fast it can go after plugging in to be "charged"?
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What are the requirements to bid? And any idea what they might go for?
At 10/6/2004 08:45 AM, you wrote:
There is a Onondaga County (Syracuse NY) public auction coming up on Oct
16th.
Among other things up for bids are 2 Dodge Electric Caravans. I was
planning on bidding on these two vans, but circumstances do not allow me
to purchase them at this time. If someone on the list would like me to
proxy for them I would be willing to do so.
http://www.ongov.net/purchase/surplus_sales/upcoming_auctions/?mode=display_photo&id=5509¤t=21
or
http://tinyurl.com/4bnly
In any event, if the winning bidder, happens to be a member of this
community........
I have the service manuals for these vans, and will be willing to part
with them.
If the winning bidder is NOT a member of this community, then I may let
the manuals go to a member who is and has a similar van.
I managed to get a quick look at the vans last spring at the Alternative
Vehicle Odyssey. I was told by the then person in care of the vans that
these were once owned by Niagara Mohawk, as is obvious by the paint
scheme, and that one of the vans had experimental batteries in it, and
could not be made to run(according to Chrysler) (ooh, I love a challenge).
The vans were donated to the Onondaga Community College, who did
nothing(much) with them and are now up for auction.
I've been waiting since the Odyssey for them to hit the auction block(I
was told then that they were coming up, sometime)
But as the way life always seems to go......if they went for auction
anytime up until about 3 weeks ago they would be mine.
Thats my story.....
Stay Charged!
Hump at evgrin dot com
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Well I had to wait quite a while to make this post as I needed to check my
facts before I posted unlike some folks who talk out their other holes. I
went to Oat for some facts on his California Poppy 914. He had just gotten
back from the long way home from Woodburn. He's got quite a story. Rich
said: "And NO Otmar does NOT have the advance that we have. So he CAN'T pull
as hard as we can up high." The facts Rich, Omar's advance is within one
degree of ours.
Rich further stated: "Amps are NOT only thing that makes you move down the
strip. Amps in a motor that is NOT pukeing fire balls and brush chunks makes
power." Rich, go back and do some research on Ed Rannberg's Kawashocki. He
had to put a shield on his endbell because the fireball was burning his leg
when he was turning elevens. Of course he added extra insulation to keep it
from backfiring. Rich also told me he had turned my rear motors down to 1300
amps because he and Joe Smalley decided for me that they would not produce
any more torque after 1300 amps. Well I just got off the phone with Oat.
Data point: At 1600 amps on his dual eight inch motors the rear tires won't
break loose on the street. At 1700 amps they do. On the strip he can go up
to 1800 to 1900 amps before breaking loose due to the extra adhesion of the
track. At 1300 amps on the track Oat says his 60 foot time is 2.1 seconds
which is the same as my board scooter. At between 1800-1900 amps this drops
to 1.8 seconds. Better 60 foot time, better ET. End of argument on amps,
Rudman. When you can tell your behind from a hole in the ground then we will
discuss real drag racing and real amps.
Rich further stated: "Look at your timing slips, and piece together how and
where the back drives shine." Rich, I have looked at my time slips and I
know where the rear drives shine. As I have stated on may occasions on this
list that when the rear drive switches from series to parallel it is like
nitrous. This is the only electric I have ever driven that will go from 73
mph to 98 mph in 5.1 seconds. If you hadn't disabled my series/parallel
switch without telling me I feel that run number one would have had a much
greater mph than that slow 92 mph on stone cold batteries.
Rich went on with his ranting from his other end: "Do I have to show you
how....again! Or are you just going to melt all your motors to the
ground....because you can." The rear motors have already been tested to 2000
amps without melting. The only melting that occurred on "Gone Postal" was on
the original GE when a crewmember wired it as a shunt motor and melted the
field windings.
Rich also stated: "It was handed back to you with the best brush breakin it
ever had , on all the motors. Front and back. so... If the front drive was
blown just how did you find that 300+ hp to jump to 98 Mph??
The part about the brushes being well seated is very true. There is no
substitute for miles put on under load. I will post pictures soon. The front
motor did not go away it just sizzled a lot at high RPMs. Someone reset my
tach shift light to 6500 rpms and I didn't notice it on the first run. Also
on the first run when I was still in series I did get a backfire from the
rear. The rear brushes don't look quite as good as the fronts but they only
show about 20 to 25% facial arc damage. Typical for high amps can be up to
50%. I'm sure that Dennis gets very little with his advance system. We were
no where near melting the motors down as Rich had eluded to. Suck Amps! go
quicker, turn it down go slower. As for me I'll just keep on sucking amps.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Woodburn 2004
. I've driven just the back drive
and I know what a dog slow car feels like. "Gone Postal" is effective
because of the all wheel drive.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
Oh fearless leader.
Give yourself some credit where it's due!
You are so far into the past with your motor racing skills that you can't
see what's been handed you.
Amps are NOT only thing that makes you move down the strip.
Amps in a motor that is NOT pukeing fire balls and brush chunks makes
power.
It's pretty clear you have hurt the front motor now. That motor never
fireballed on me. EVER and I put 400 miles on it.
It was handed back to you with the best brush breakin it ever had , on all
the motors. Front and back.
so... If the front drive was blown just how did you find that 300+ hp to
jump to 98 Mph??
Didn't you get the Hint???? We can change that Dog slow issue in the Back
drives.
And NO Otmar does NOT have the advance that we have. So he CAN'T pull as
hard as we can up high.
He won't admit that, so he still gets to chase after the 100 mph Brass
Ring.
If he shifted that nifty Turbo 930 tranny at about 900 Ft out he would
breakthrough the 100 mph Wall.
But Nooooo we will all do as Otmar says, and stay on the slow side of 100.
Look at your timing slips, and piece together how and where the back
drives
shine. Then think what if...
Do I have to show you how....again!
Or are you just going to melt all your motors to the ground....because you
can. And somebody else paid for them???
Some of us Can't afford to rebuild the motors and tranny everytime we go
racing......Rod!
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Does anybody have any knowledge about where the NEV phenomenon
is heading? Do NEVs have a bright and growing future or not?
Are they still being offered for sale and being bought in significant
numbers?
Or were they a passing fad that came, peaked and tapered off?
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Hi everyone,
It's getting so close I can almost taste it! The 200sx is nearing the
driving point (although still quite a bit to do). I have a few questions:
1) Should the DC/DC be turned off during charging with a PFC-20? If so,
I'm thinking of using a relay to switch it off.
1.b) Should it be turned off when the vehicle is not in use (similar to
how an alternator is configured, i.e. charges the 12V battery when
running, and, well...doesn't charge it when it's not running :) )?
2) What is the best material to use to dampen the vibrations that the
vacuum pump makes? It's not very noisy, but you can feel a very mild
vibration in the passenger compartment when it's going.
3) I'm building a Bill Dube crimper, and am wondering how wide the
socket should be? He mentions having to make two crimps on the terminal
to get the full width, but could a longer portion of a deep socket be
used to make necessary only one crimp?
4) What has everyone used for battery heaters (without spending a
bundle)? I'm thinking something like
http://www.wonderfulbuys.com/home_and_garden/koolatron_heated_blanket.html
that I can run on the 12V system either on a timer or...???? Actually,
it would be really easy to just use a thermistor circuit to have it
switch on whenever it dropped below a certain temperature, but you'd be
wasting a ton of electricity in the middle of the night when you weren't
driving. This question has really eluded me. Any tips would be
appreciated.
Now some fun questions:
5) With a Z1K, 144V of Orbitals, and a Prestolite MTC-4001, how much
rubber do you think I'll be able to lay? Enough to make a good picture
on my final poster for the Senior Design project I'm using this for?
6) Any guesses on acceleration (0-60) with an estimated weight of
2800-3000lbs?
7) Lee Hart - what vehicle have you converted? I don't see anything in
the EV album.
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1) Mine is off during charging.
2) Rubber on the legs. Try to locate far from the
cab.
3) No clue, I used a nice huge tool to crimp.
4) I don't like the ceramic heater I got; hot wire is
better, I think. You'll need a heater relay from KTA.
--- Ryan Bohm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> It's getting so close I can almost taste it! The
> 200sx is nearing the
> driving point (although still quite a bit to do). I
> have a few questions:
>
> 1) Should the DC/DC be turned off during charging
> with a PFC-20? If so,
> I'm thinking of using a relay to switch it off.
> 1.b) Should it be turned off when the vehicle is not
> in use (similar to
> how an alternator is configured, i.e. charges the
> 12V battery when
> running, and, well...doesn't charge it when it's not
> running :) )?
> 2) What is the best material to use to dampen the
> vibrations that the
> vacuum pump makes? It's not very noisy, but you can
> feel a very mild
> vibration in the passenger compartment when it's
> going.
> 3) I'm building a Bill Dube crimper, and am
> wondering how wide the
> socket should be? He mentions having to make two
> crimps on the terminal
> to get the full width, but could a longer portion of
> a deep socket be
> used to make necessary only one crimp?
> 4) What has everyone used for battery heaters
> (without spending a
> bundle)? I'm thinking something like
>
http://www.wonderfulbuys.com/home_and_garden/koolatron_heated_blanket.html
>
> that I can run on the 12V system either on a timer
> or...???? Actually,
> it would be really easy to just use a thermistor
> circuit to have it
> switch on whenever it dropped below a certain
> temperature, but you'd be
> wasting a ton of electricity in the middle of the
> night when you weren't
> driving. This question has really eluded me. Any
> tips would be
> appreciated.
>
> Now some fun questions:
> 5) With a Z1K, 144V of Orbitals, and a Prestolite
> MTC-4001, how much
> rubber do you think I'll be able to lay? Enough to
> make a good picture
> on my final poster for the Senior Design project I'm
> using this for?
> 6) Any guesses on acceleration (0-60) with an
> estimated weight of
> 2800-3000lbs?
> 7) Lee Hart - what vehicle have you converted? I
> don't see anything in
> the EV album.
> --
> - EV Source -
> Zillas, PFC Chargers, and other EV stuff at great
> prices
> 10% off all items in our Top-Line Shop from November
> to Christmas!
> E-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Toll-free: 1-877-215-6781
>
>
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