EV Digest 4154
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Motor-less Zombie, Purple Phaze on the Trailer
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Regarding the Spirit and Purpose of NEDRA
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) EV-related parts at surpluscenter.com
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
4) cheap testing of multiple batteries
by "Deuville's Rink" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RAV4 EV on eBay
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
6) RE: Idea for generic adapter kit
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: cheap testing of multiple batteries
by Christopher Zach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) RE: Aftermarket Hybrid electric system
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Idea for generic adapter kit
by "Jonathan \"Sheer\" Pullen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) BEV at Geneva
by Marc Geller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: EV-related parts at surpluscenter.com
by jerry dycus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Datsun Minitruck Mania!
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Cheap VW Bug EV's and Contactor controllers!
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Idea for generic adapter kit
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: cheap testing of multiple batteries
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Dave Cloud's Rules ideas
by "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: TEVan parts
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Motor-less Zombie, Purple Phaze on the Trailer
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Fwd: Roadside & tow assistance
by Sherry Boschert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Emeter question
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: 914EV on ebay,, ooooo
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Idea for generic adapter kit
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hello to All,
Things are moving ahead at a fast pace around here! Last night, still in our
work uniforms,
and with the front of the Wayland property adorned with dual service trucks,
Tim Brehm and I
attacked White Zombie. After about 3 hours of wrenching, wire disconnecting,
and marking and
tagging of all wire looms and connectors, we pulled the twin motor drive unit
out of the car.
Man, it's sure handy having a forklift! It was way cool to have another
powerful electric
vehicle, my Hyster J30BS forklift, sitting quietly in my EV shop, ready to lend
its muscle.
There's something so cool about about being totally 'EV'.
The first EV involved, was when we drove Blue Meanie out of the shop. Then, as
it always has
to be, we needed tunes to work by, so Linkin Park's 'Hybrid Theory' was loaded
in the Heavy
Metal Garden Tractor's CD slot, EV number two. As Hybrid Theory played, I was
reminded of my
92 mpg hybrid siting in the garage, my trusty Insight...I digress. Then, when
it was time to
lift the 200+ lbs. of motors from the car, EV number 3, the forklift, was
awakened for duty.
Like any good EV, after quietly sitting for weeks on end, it fired up instantly
as the subtle
whir of its electrically driven hydraulic power steering came to life. Then,
the entertaining
growls and buzzes of the EV100 SCR speed controller joined in as the twin
Prestolite drive
motors effortlessly gave motive power to the 7200 lb. EV. We used a wide, nylon
lifting strap
with BIG hooks, and after adjusting the forks closer together and with the
strap under the
motor drive unit, while feathering the raise lever and with the lift truck's
fourth electric
motor (the powerful lift pump motor) powering up, the machine magically lifted
the motors out
of the car, no back strain, no sweat, no problem!
Next, we dissed the strap and slid the motor array onto the forks. The EV
hauling device, the
Jeep Cherokee, was backed down to the shop, then the fork lift was maneuvered
behind it
where we gently lifted the motors up, then placed the fork ends inside the
cargo area of the
Jeep. It was easy to simply slide the motor package from the fork tips and into
the back of
the Jeep...why didn't I get a forklift long time ago?
After putting the cars away, we turned to the '66 minitruck. Out front, the
jeep was attached
to the trailer and positioned. It was again, very easy to do the work at hand,
because we had
the right equipment. I have a nifty electric trailer winch, but alas, haven't
bothered to set
it up on the trailer, so we used the manual nylon strap winch on the trailer.
We simply
connected the hook to the truck, and with a few hundred cranks of the handle,
had the
minitruck up and onto the trailer.
This Saturday, my wife and I are off to the central Oregon area, where we will
haul the
minitruck and the Zombie's motors to Jim Husted's 'High Torque Electric' shop
in Redmond. Jim
and I will disassemble the motors and press out the armature shafts, to prepare
them for the
intense mods planned. The minitruck will be right next door at Dan's composite
shop, where
the custom bed will be made.
It was dark out last night when we were working, but early inspections of the
motor shafts
and couplers revealed that the Zombie was taken off line just in time before
major carnage
was to be had. The keyways of both motors' output shafts are hogged out, the
key stock is
loose, and the hubs wobble...too much power! This is all the more reason, that
I feel
switching to new, beefed-up splined shafts and couplers are the way to go. We
were both
pretty shocked to see how much play and wobble the dutchman coupler has in it,
no doubt now,
that it is and has been, the major source of vibration in this car.
We were also able to fix the brake drag the car had, and now, it rolls around
with a
one-finger push, instead of two guys grunting to move the damn thing!
More reports to come....
See Ya...John Wayland
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I'm not a NEDRA director, but have dealt with cheap and expensive
EV hardware. I wanted to make one comment to a very good John's post.
John Wayland wrote:
Those of us who have spent years creating and improving our racing EVs,
would never, ever,
consider the option of allowing them to be subject to a 'hostile take-over'.
When Dave
Cloud says, "What makes a vehicle go faster is more money, not more voltage", I
couldn't
disagree more. What makes and EV quicker and faster, is years of dedication,
long hours of
often back-breaking labor, and most important of all, creativity!
This is what the spirit of any creator should be and I always respect
those who are capable of creating something noone else thought of.
But, don't afraid to admit reality Jogn - without money the most
creative guy will achieve NOTHING. You may not like this statement,
and disagree with it all you want, (I don't like it either), but
this doesn't change this simple fact.
Now, I 100% agree with you that money alone will not automatically
buy a win. It takes both, money and enginuity. But money can hire
creative person.
Where would Zombie be today unless you'd keep pouring [your own
hard earned or sponsor's] money to continuously repair broken
or blown up parts? You've got to change your slogan a bit:
"We blow things so you don't have to, and we pay for it".
Pragmatic? Sure, but reflect reality better. And people will
realize better what's involved. (I know, fruitless suggestion,
it will scare away potential EVers... but otherwise it's almost
like hiding all the truth).
I do realize NEDRA is not as much about winning as about promoting
the cause. I'm just commenting your paragraph above.
Yes, money *multiplied* by enginuity make EVs go faster, not
"years of dedication, long hours of often back-breaking labor,
and most important of all, creativity" ALONE. Face it.
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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If you don't get the hardcopy version of the Surplus Center's catalog, there
were some things listees may find useful:
11-2337 Curtis 48V contactor $13.95 - 100A continuous duty
11-2538 Hawker SBS 39Ah battery $29.95 - 7-15/16 x 6-3/4 x 6-3/4
11-2532 Hawker SBS 92Ah battery $74.95 - 15-1/2 x 4-1/8 x 10-1/2
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Am looking for cheap way of checking each individual battery on my string of 14
six volt batteries while under operating condition (find out which ones are
sagging)
I am planning to get a 14 position switch with two decks, one deck will connect
to all positive terminals while the second deck will connect to all negative
terminals, each deck will connect plus minus of a volt meter, while in
operation of the Zamboni I will be able to select each battery one at a time
while operating to see the voltage drop. Does this seem to be practical?
Thanks
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$30K starting bid, which I can't afford (and from what has been posted here,
neither can Remy!)
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Ok, time to let the cat out of the bag. and my first progress report on
the 300VZX
I am currently working on something similar. Maybe not generic, but
least common denominator where differences are confined to 1 part whose
cost doesn't differ when the design changes, Castings have that problem
sometimes, and sand castings have to be machined anyway....
Item #1 : CNC'd motor bell housing This mounts to the 9 or 8" and
provides the depth needed for the taperlock adapter and is the same in
all kits. It provides an 11" dia by 1/8" reference diameter that
registers in item # 2 Done.with prototype, getting CNC quotes.
Item #2 : A water jet cut flat plate about 5/8" thick( adjusts to
compensate for magig number variences) Aluminum, and has the 11" hole,
all the tranny mounting holes, two 1" holes for mounts to frame, and a
10" wide flat survace on top to mount the alum diamond plate shelf for
the controller. Just got plate water cut today, 25 min on machine for
the 17" x 26" plate with the 11" hole. Cost is time of use, more than
one adapter can be cut from same sheet, 1/2 done
Item #3: Taperlock bushing and taperlock hub adapter that memic a small
block chevy crank. Standardizing on SBC makes avail item #4 Done. Man
those minuteman broaches are cool. Footnote, Oversized bushing area so
different pilot bushings can be used is needed.
Item #4: Used tilton 7-1/4 dual plate clutch on a button flywheel Easy
to find on ebay for <$300 Purchased 5.5 triple plate, too thick but
will make it work on prototype and get 7-1/4 for kit.(more avail, less
hassle) done
Item #5: new clutch disks with the spline I need < $160 from tilton. In
my case made up for the nissan. done
Item #6: throw out bearing adapter, using 42mm radius contact throwout
bearing avil for 350zx for < $39.00 purchased bearing, need to make
Items #7:Waterjet and tig welded stainless tranny plate mounds to
unibody and the pop-rivots
Item #8: Front motor mount , a waterjet cut 1/2" thick Alum saddle
that goes to existing motor mounts and who's top half bolts on and
provides the other shalf support. design pending first motor fitting.
I am planning on calling the buisness somthing like Central Valley
EVS that is Electric vehicle Supply or soulution or just EV's :-)
To buy the hydraulic crimper and make interconnect cables
To source metric flangehead bolts and buy them in bulk for resell (this
is a sadly missing target in bolt distributers in this area)
Eventually to stock warp motors , zilla controllers and PFC chargers and
rudman regulators. This will be in 3rd year
I want to have weekend fresno chapter EV meetings at a building where
we have everthing we need to convert a vehicle on site, (kinda like
someone else we know :-) )
Next up
Deal with wrecking yard to let me borrow stripped engine blocks to
measure and build up pattern database.
I think I have the 300zx pattern, but will wait tell I test it before I
post the numbers.
Take suggestions from the group.
I am doing the 300zx, then I have a mitsubishi PU lined up. What
vehicles do you people want to see adapters for?
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Or you could set up a Lee/Zach battery monitor to watch each battery for
over-low and over-high conditions.
It's been great on the elec-trak and I can't wait to use it on the Prizm.
Chris
Deuville's Rink wrote:
Am looking for cheap way of checking each individual battery on my string of 14 six volt batteries while under operating condition (find out which ones are sagging)
I am planning to get a 14 position switch with two decks, one deck will connect to all positive terminals while the second deck will connect to all negative terminals, each deck will connect plus minus of a volt meter, while in operation of the Zamboni I will be able to select each battery one at a time while operating to see the voltage drop. Does this seem to be practical?
Thanks
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Does the belt ratio look backwards to anyone? I mean with that small of
a motor, wouldn't you want to multiply torque?
I guess max rpm is a concern.
still to me, it looks small but for a 4 banger it might really help out,
I think a human on a bycycle puts out as much torque as a 4 cylinder
engine, 125 Lbs, it is just the rpm that keeps the HP down .
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Jeff Shanab wrote:
Ok, time to let the cat out of the bag. and my first progress report
on the 300VZX
I am currently working on something similar. Maybe not generic, but
least common denominator where differences are confined to 1 part
whose cost doesn't differ when the design changes, Castings have that
problem sometimes, and sand castings have to be machined anyway....
Item #1 : CNC'd motor bell housing This mounts to the 9 or 8" and
provides the depth needed for the taperlock adapter and is the same in
all kits. It provides an 11" dia by 1/8" reference diameter that
registers in item # 2 Done.with prototype, getting CNC quotes.
Item #2 : A water jet cut flat plate about 5/8" thick( adjusts to
compensate for magig number variences) Aluminum, and has the 11"
hole, all the tranny mounting holes, two 1" holes for mounts to frame,
and a 10" wide flat survace on top to mount the alum diamond plate
shelf for the controller. Just got plate water cut today, 25 min on
machine for the 17" x 26" plate with the 11" hole. Cost is time of
use, more than one adapter can be cut from same sheet, 1/2 done
Item #3: Taperlock bushing and taperlock hub adapter that memic a
small block chevy crank. Standardizing on SBC makes avail item #4
Done. Man those minuteman broaches are cool. Footnote, Oversized
bushing area so different pilot bushings can be used is needed.
Item #4: Used tilton 7-1/4 dual plate clutch on a button flywheel
Easy to find on ebay for <$300 Purchased 5.5 triple plate, too thick
but will make it work on prototype and get 7-1/4 for kit.(more avail,
less hassle) done
Item #5: new clutch disks with the spline I need < $160 from tilton.
In my case made up for the nissan. done
Item #6: throw out bearing adapter, using 42mm radius contact throwout
bearing avil for 350zx for < $39.00 purchased bearing, need to make
Items #7:Waterjet and tig welded stainless tranny plate mounds to
unibody and the pop-rivots
Item #8: Front motor mount , a waterjet cut 1/2" thick Alum saddle
that goes to existing motor mounts and who's top half bolts on and
provides the other shalf support. design pending first motor fitting.
I am planning on calling the buisness somthing like Central Valley
EVS that is Electric vehicle Supply or soulution or just EV's :-)
To buy the hydraulic crimper and make interconnect cables
To source metric flangehead bolts and buy them in bulk for resell
(this is a sadly missing target in bolt distributers in this area)
Eventually to stock warp motors , zilla controllers and PFC chargers
and rudman regulators. This will be in 3rd year
I want to have weekend fresno chapter EV meetings at a building
where we have everthing we need to convert a vehicle on site, (kinda
like someone else we know :-) )
Next up
Deal with wrecking yard to let me borrow stripped engine blocks to
measure and build up pattern database.
I think I have the 300zx pattern, but will wait tell I test it before
I post the numbers.
Take suggestions from the group.
I am doing the 300zx, then I have a mitsubishi PU lined up. What
vehicles do you people want to see adapters for?
I'd like to see adapters for the Honda CRX/Accord/Civic and the Saturn
SL1/SL2, and the VW Eurovan/Westfalia
I'm liklely to be in the market for a adapter for the VW Eurovan and
Westfalia for my hybrid project sometime in the next year and a half. I
will probably have to get the motor adapter custom made as I'm not using
a standard motor - I may be using a Siemens 45kW motor similar to the
one that's in QM, or I may be using a industrial AC motor that's
expressly not designed for EV use. (I have to try it at least once ;-))
S.
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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:28:38 -0600
From: Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Idea for generic adapter kit
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Jeff Shanab wrote:
> Item #3: Taper lock bushing and taper lock hub adapter that mimic a small
> block Chevy crank. Standardizing on SBC makes avail item #4 Done. Man
> those minuteman broaches are cool. Footnote, over sized bushing area so
> different pilot bushings can be used is needed.
I prefer a pilot bearing over a pilot bushing:
http://www.jegs.com/photos/555pilotbearings.jpg
http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=159967&prmenbr=361
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