EV Digest 4365
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: PFC50 for sale
by Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Calculating aero drag from torque?
by "ProEV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Anybody know EV history?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
4) Re: article: AquaGlider: Inflatable Watercraft
by Edward Kellogg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Calculating aero drag from torque?
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Anybody know EV history?
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: EPIC Minivans for sale?
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Henny kilowatt on ebay
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Cable crimping
by TiM M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Cable crimping
by Reverend Gadget <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE:Gvans (was Chloride Charger, was PFC50 for sale)
by "David Chapman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Anybody know EV history?
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) AC Ampmeter?
by John Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) AC Ampmeter?
by John Lussmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Re EV watercraft, EV jet ski's and EV race cars was: Newbie
introduction
by Edward Kellogg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Top effiecient EV's.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Raptor 600 pre-charge pin
by jimevdl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) article: Home-made pure electric cars destined overseas
by Paul Wujek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) TdS Report #38: Governor Pataki's Tour de Sol Press Release
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
20) Re: Calculating aero drag from torque?
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Anybody know EV history?
by "ProEV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Anybody know EV history?
by "ProEV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: AC Ampmeter?
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hey Rich,
I checked out the PFC-50 today. the output read like a
diode just like you said but I was unable to check the
input side to see if it looked like a bridge. The
switch would not turn on. I would flip it and it would
just return. I tried it on my PFC-20 and it read like
you said. I decided not to power the thing up without
being able to test it. your input would be
appreciated.
Gadget
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Don,
Seriously, don't take anyone's word for it. Get a fish scale and pull
the car by hand on a flat and level surface (and/or pull it first one
way then the other and average the results). A rolling resistance of
0.0015 and a curb weight of 2800lbs means it should take about 4.2lbs of
pull to move the car at a slow steady rate. I don't believe for an
instant that you will find it quite this easy to move the car, but would
be happy to be proven wrong. (Data that Otmar posted for tests he
performed in this way showed approximate rolling resistances of
0.004-0.0065 for the best vehicles and 0.0082 for a Honda Del Sol with
stock tires.)
We have tried this working on ICE race cars trying to compare different
lubes and cv packing schemes but never seem to get very good repeatability.
Don't forget that aerodynamics can impact rolling losses by adding or
removing downforce at speed (which is equivalent to increasing or
decreasing the weight of the car from a rolling losses perspective).
This could certainly be a factor at 90MPH.
Agggh. Tricky. This is why just having a way to read repeatedly what rpm we
get with what power would be useful. We don't need to separate out aero drag
or rolling resistance. We just try a different set of tires or air dam. One
at a time. Better or worse.
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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In a message dated 5/16/05 11:34:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
<< Hi,
I am still trying to find out when the last time an EV bested and ICE in
competition racing under the same set of rules. So far, I have found 'Jamais
Content' held the world speed record from 1897 to 1900 ( a steamer took the
record away ). I have not been able to find anything else. Can anybody
suggest an EV historian that I might contact?
Thanks for any help
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
>>
Cliff,I race on a weekly basis against the ice drag racers in Arizona.The
Current Eliminator is ranked 3rd in the super pro class in the ADRA.
My next race,this coming friday eve at
speedworld in witman az. Dennis Berube
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On Apr 21, 2005, at 5:48 PM, Paul Wujek wrote:
Electric inflatable watercraft, unfortunately only available for
British kids:
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/vehicles/aquaglider-inflatable-
watercraft-100498.php
--
Paul Wujek ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
I saw one last week in a Sharper Image store in the US.
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Good stuff to do! You might want to google on "Land Speed" and get
some aero tips from the Salt Flats guys.
I would be nervous about holding speed with a rev or speed limiter. I
don't know how the Siemens system does it, but many systems hit the
limiter, drop to 0 throttle, rev up again, hit the limit, etc. You
might have significant ripple (possibly too fast for you to feel)
making doing a measurement this way less accurate. Note this is
different from a cruise control, which lets you pass the limit a bit,
and is slower reacting as the car is in no immediate danger (as
opposed to hitting redline).
I'd think the best numbers to use would be battery pack voltage, and
battery pack current, rather than the torque numbers. Who knows
exactly what Siemens is doing to compute torque, and how they
factored efficiency in there. Voltage and current from the battery
pack will be honest numbers, and will automatically incorporated
changing efficiencies in the system.
You may not need to have two data logger computers. You could check
one controller on controlled conditions, and then check the other on
the same conditions, and see if they match up.
You said 10.4 kW and 14 kW to go 90 mph. Assuming that is for each
motor, that is only 20.8 kW to 28 kW (around 28 to 37 hp) to go that
fast -- that is suspiciously low. Camaros were among the most
aerodynamic cars ever produced, and they take about 60 flywheel hp to
go that fast (incidentally very close to the number it takes a
Porsche 911, also). It seems your numbers are about a factor of 2 too
small. A Hot Rod article showed a Subaru needing 300 hp to go 145 mph
-- so it seems the Suby needs even more hp than the Camaro at high
speed. Are you sure the amps numbers are right? You could video a
clamp-on ammeter and clock to check. If you are just looking to lower
the numbers, though, you could just use the numbers to compare.
Below is a table from a sim I wrote: (It hits the real life 275 hp
for 155 mph number very closely.)
4th Gen Camaro Power vs. Speed
Speed(mph) FlywheelHp
0 0
5 0.524464368
10 1.100855172
15 1.781103448
20 2.617137931
25 3.660873563
30 4.964252874
35 6.579195402
40 8.557632184
45 10.95149425
50 13.81275862
55 17.19321839
60 21.14482759
65 25.71965517
70 30.96954023
75 36.94643678
80 43.70218391
85 51.28885057
90 59.75827586
95 69.16229885
100 79.55310345
105 90.98229885
110 103.502069
115 117.1643678
120 132.0206897
125 148.1229885
130 165.5241379
135 184.2758621
140 204.4287356
145 226.0356322
150 249.1482759
155 273.8195402
160 300.1
165 328.0425287
170 357.6977011
175 389.1195402
--- ProEV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We need to cut down our power usage while racing, so we plan to
> work on
> trimming our aero drag. The SIADIS program that comes with our
> Siemens
> controllers offers us a lot of information about what is happening
> with the
> motors including RPM, Torque, amps, voltage.
>
> Our orginal idea was to set the RPM limiter to 3360 which is about
> 60 mph
> with our gearing. I would then drive the car on a flat level road
> while on
> the rev limiter. Then turn around and drive the same section again
> on the
> limiter.
>
> >From this we would hope to get an average torque required to keep
> the car at
> 60 mph. We could also look at watts required.
>
> Then we make a change to the car's aero and repeat the test.
>
> Does this seem like it should work?
>
> As a check, I took a look at data from our July race last year. We
> had the
> rev limiter on 5400 rpm (about 90 mph). We ran on the rev limiter
> for 13
> seconds (and, no, this was not on purpose). During that time, the
> torque
> varied between 12.65 ft-lbs and 17.33 ft-lbs. Amps varied from 35.3
> to
> 45.82. Voltage from 300.38 to 304.62. So power in watts was between
> 10,603
> and 13,957.
>
> This varies fairly substantially from Uve's EV calculator
> predictions for
> 2,800 lbs, .32 drag Coefficient, 18 frontal area (sq. ft.). Single
> gear 3.9.
>
> Uve's EV calculator says 90 mph should require 34 ft-lbs torque.
> Battery
> amps are shown as 122 and voltage at 288 volts. This gives power as
> 35,014
> watts but this is calculated using a Kostov motor rather than the
> Siemens
> that we have.
>
> According to Uve, we would need a drag Coefficient of .15 to
> achieve what
> the data system seems to say. Then we would not have to work on
> aero!
>
> Any theories why this does not seem to work?
>
> Another idea might be to set a current limit such as 38 amps and
> drive our
> bit of straight flat road and read the max rpm. There will be some
> error as
> the pack is used up and voltage is lower for the same load. For
> best
> accuracy, the test should be done each time with a full pack.
>
> Any obvious flaws to this plan?
>
> Thanks
>
> Cliff
>
> www.ProEV.com
>
>
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Will this help?:
http://www.newton.mec.edu/brown/te/ALTERNATIVE_FUEL/TIMELINE/timeline.html
--- ProEV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am still trying to find out when the last time an
> EV bested and ICE in
> competition racing under the same set of rules. So
> far, I have found 'Jamais
> Content' held the world speed record from 1897 to
> 1900 ( a steamer took the
> record away ). I have not been able to find anything
> else. Can anybody
> suggest an EV historian that I might contact?
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> Cliff
>
> www.ProEV.com
>
>
'92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V
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Saddleback Jr. College in So. Cal. got an early model.
The class has since gone by the wayside, since
retirement of Bill MacFarland, instructor.
Don't know what happened to the rig.
peace,
--- Nick Austin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anybody know if any EPIC minivans are around
> which may be sold to the
> public some day?
>
> Anybody know how many were made?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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Item Number 4549438689 currently at $315. pretty rough shape and in
pennsylvania
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I'm just about ready to start making my
replacement battery cables for the truck. I didn't
make the first set so I want to get a couple of things
straight before I start consuming lugs and wire.
How much insulation should I strip from the wire?
QuickCable's web page helpfully states "check
connector instructions for strip length". It's about
.75" to where the barrel of the QuickCable MagnaLugs
start to taper down. If I remember correctly the
barrel elongates some during the crimp. After the
crimp should there be any copper visible between the
end of the lug barrel and the cable insulation? I'm
going to heat shrink the crimps after-wards so this
would cover any exposed copper.
Where should the crimps be? Again the helpful
instruction state "Crimping twice insures a good
electrical connection. First crimp should be at the
end of the barrel". The end of the barrel closest to
the insulation and the second crimp is somewhere in
the middle of the barrel? This is where a picture
could be worth a thousand words...
What about No-OX (sp) or something along those
lines to coat the copper before I crimp? Is there a
particular brand out there that is preferred over
another?
Sorry if the question is a bit on the basic side.
I want to make sure I get the most out of my EV and
it's new batteries, cables and Zilla! I can't wait to
get my EV grin back. It's been a week since I melted
off a battery post, it really irks me to spend as much
as I'm spending on gas. I should have bought a used
battery and driven it while I was procuring and
fabbing all the replacement parts. It's going to be
another 6 weeks or so before I get back on the road
and off the gas at the rate I'm going. Everything has
a lead time, and I need this part before I can fab
that part so on and so fourth. So it goes.
Hey, anybody out there in the Los Angeles area
with access to a louver machine?
TiM
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Hey Tim, Gadget here, in Los Angeles. If you need some
help with the cables I have all the tools here in my
shop to do it. As far as corrosion control I prefer
using a conductive, anti-corrosion compound such as
KOPR-SHIELD it's basically grease with fine copper and
zinc. It keeps the moisture out as well as aiding with
conductivity.
I also have a machine that will do louvers but I don't
have the tooling for it. still looking for a set of
dies. know where I can find some?
Gadget
--- TiM M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm just about ready to start making my
> replacement battery cables for the truck. I didn't
> make the first set so I want to get a couple of
> things
> straight before I start consuming lugs and wire.
> How much insulation should I strip from the
> wire?
> QuickCable's web page helpfully states "check
> connector instructions for strip length". It's about
> .75" to where the barrel of the QuickCable MagnaLugs
> start to taper down. If I remember correctly the
> barrel elongates some during the crimp. After the
> crimp should there be any copper visible between the
> end of the lug barrel and the cable insulation? I'm
> going to heat shrink the crimps after-wards so this
> would cover any exposed copper.
> Where should the crimps be? Again the helpful
> instruction state "Crimping twice insures a good
> electrical connection. First crimp should be at the
> end of the barrel". The end of the barrel closest to
> the insulation and the second crimp is somewhere in
> the middle of the barrel? This is where a picture
> could be worth a thousand words...
> What about No-OX (sp) or something along those
> lines to coat the copper before I crimp? Is there a
> particular brand out there that is preferred over
> another?
> Sorry if the question is a bit on the basic
> side.
> I want to make sure I get the most out of my EV and
> it's new batteries, cables and Zilla! I can't wait
> to
> get my EV grin back. It's been a week since I melted
> off a battery post, it really irks me to spend as
> much
> as I'm spending on gas. I should have bought a used
> battery and driven it while I was procuring and
> fabbing all the replacement parts. It's going to be
> another 6 weeks or so before I get back on the road
> and off the gas at the rate I'm going. Everything
> has
> a lead time, and I need this part before I can fab
> that part so on and so fourth. So it goes.
> Hey, anybody out there in the Los Angeles area
> with access to a louver machine?
> TiM
>
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Bill,
I am not familiar with the batteries you mention but it doesn't sound like
you have enough batteries of either type to make up a pack for even one van.
Both my vans used 36 batteries ea for a 216V pack of around 120-130 Ahr.
This resulted in a real world 50 mile range according to EPRI. There are
some things that I feel could be done better on the Conceptor G-vans to
improve their range. My Delphi equipped van made 5,500 miles and the Optima
YT (prototypes) equipped van made 2,200 miles before the range started to
fade and the program was discontinued. I tend to think that much of the
early failure can be attributed to abuse and neglect. Especially since the
YT equipped unit had no regulators and possibly a dumb onboard charger. The
window van with the YTs was vandalized and the onboard charger was trashed
so I am not sure what that had for a charger. The MM onboard charger in the
cargo/security van is a gem, has an RS-232 interface and appears to monitor
the regulators and batt temp. Too bad MM won't admit to building the charger
nor even give me a hint as to the interface/programming protocol. Bill
Mulgrew put something like 750 of the BB-600 Nicads in his G-van and while
they gave him a good 80-100 mile range, final charging voltage problems and
the interconnect issue caused him so much grief that I heard he gave up and
sold it. I hope the new owner has better luck with it.
David Chapman
Arizona Electropulsion / Fine-Junque
http://stores.ebay.com/theworldoffinejunque
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From: "Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 8:18 AM
Subject: RE:Gvans (was Chloride Charger, was PFC50 for sale)
> David
>
> I have 18 of the Interstate DCS75's and 24 Hawker Genesis 79AH batteries
> to play with. I am very curious to know what happened with the AGM's
> you used, why they didn't work out.
>
> I have not had the time to dig into the charger to see how the controls
> work. They were not so I just powered the relays directly to get some
> charge into the DCS's. I had some bad DCS's and have not had much time
> to work on the vans since. I have been trying to find a shop to rent
> for them and other projects. Also with a shop I can set up the Chloride
> charger. I will take a closer look at it now that you say it is not a
> dumb as I thought.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of David Chapman
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 10:54 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Chloride Charger, was PFC50 for sale
>
> Bill,
> Very large yes but I don't know if I would say primative. Unless I am
> mistaken, the ones I have use some type of microprocessor control. I
> have
> the manual for it somewhere, I remember being impressed with the logic
> built
> in the charger when I first got them. Since you are looking for an
> onboard
> charger I would definately look to one of the smaller chargers available
> of
> which Rich does indeed make a fine piece. In all fairness there are
> others
> all of which have different features and benefits. That said, if my
> Martin
> Marietta onboard charger ever fails I will definately consider one of
> Richs
> units. Especially if I can talk him into putting it into one of my
> ruggedized cast aluminum cases and painting it either Dillon Blue or IH
> (Snap-On) Red. Let the list know how your van works out with the AGMs
> and
> what you are using. Both of mine used AGMs (Delphi 12s and YTs) and they
>
> didn't pan out too well. I was told by a local battery distributor
> (Jesse
> James) that these vans did do pretty well with flooded GK batts,
> personally
> I am still trying to come up with a set of large flooded Nicads.
>
> David Chapman
> Arizona Electropulsion / Fine-Junque
> http://stores.ebay.com/theworldoffinejunque
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 9:15 PM
> Subject: RE: PFC50 for sale
>
>
> > David
> >
> > Thanks
> > I have one of those. It is pretty primitive and very large. There is
> > no way I know of to modulate the charge current. It is ok for flooded
> > batteries, I am using AGM's with Rudman regulators. I am looking for
> an
> > inboard charger that I can set up to work with the typical conductive
> > charge station(forgot the name of it).
> > On the other hand do you have any info on the vans? I have some
> manuals
> > from Chloride but nothing with too much info.
> >
> > The charger I have needs some help, I have to make the relays close to
> > get power out of it.
> >
> > Thanks Bill
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On
> > Behalf Of David Chapman
> > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 4:36 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: PFC50 for sale
> >
> > Bill,
> > I have a good condition original 216V G-Van charger for sale. It is a
> > weather sealed outdoor style industrial duty Chloride Charger. It is
> > located
> > in Phx and I am looking to get $1,350.00 out of it. Note this is a
> large
> > and
> > heavy industrial charging station, not an onboard charger. Let me know
> > if
> > you are interested and I will be glad to e-mail you the specs and
> > picture.
> >
> > David Chapman
> > Arizona Electropulsion / Fine-Junque
> > http://stores.ebay.com/theworldoffinejunque
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "prime" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 8:50 AM
> > Subject: RE: PFC50 for sale
> >
> >
> >>I am very much interested in the PFC50 on ebay. I have 2 early 90's G
> > vans
> >> that need a charger. The configuration is 216v nominal and 30 amps
> > would
> >> probably do. Before I get into a bidding war :>} with someone else
> on
> > the
> >> list. I have an idea. Perhaps someone that wants the PFC50 or
> someone
> >
> >> else
> >> has a charger that will do what I want. If so it could save both of
> > us
> >> some
> >> $$$.
> >>
> >> Bill Sibner
> >>
> >
>
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Dennis,
When is your next race in either Tucson or Phoenix?
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
> Cliff,I race on a weekly basis against the ice drag racers in Arizona.The
> Current Eliminator is ranked 3rd in the super pro class in the ADRA.
>
> My next race,this coming friday eve at
> speedworld in witman az. Dennis Berube
>
>
>
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I have a DC Ampmeter with build-in shunt (good for 25A).
Is there any not-too-dangerous or wildly inaccurate way to use this for AC?
I was thinking of putting a bridge rectifier in the line, with the Ammeter
on the DC side of the bridge.
Will this work? How far off will the reading be?
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I have a DC Ampmeter with build-in shunt (good for 25A).
Is there any not-too-dangerous or wildly inaccurate way to use this for AC?
I was thinking of putting a bridge rectifier in the line, with the Ammeter
on the DC side of the bridge.
Will this work? How far off will the reading be?
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Here is an electric powered catamaran that Columbia University for the 2003 Solar Splash competition. As shown on this webpage the pontoons are mounted sideways to run as a hovercraft.
http://www.seas.columbia.edu/solarsplash/
This boat did well in the two hour endurance race (It had the second highest number of laps, which earned it the first place trophy — don't ask, Solar Splash has some odd rules). However, during the 300 meter sprint it fared poorly, taking an average of 163 seconds.
Ed Kellogg
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Stercus tauri!
On Apr 23, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Lee Hart wrote:
Andrew Goldschmidt wrote:
I have always wanted to build an electric jetski, but did not
know where to go for info. Any advice on the feasability would
be appreciated.
jerry dycus wrote:
While it will work, it won't for long as any planning watercraft
needs much more power to go fast for long. Also the small jets
are very low eff. On the water to go reasonably fast for longer
distances, us a Cat/tri hulls set up with length/beam ratios of
between 8 and 10-1.
I've seen some human powered catamarans that zipped right along.
Extremely long skinny twin hulls -- in fact they were round aluminum
pipes that ran 75% submerged. Given the feeble power source, I would
think that they would be a good design basis for an EV.
I've also seen human-powered hydrofoils. The speed they were getting
make me guess they were pretty efficient as well.
Finally, of course there is the air car. Once you've used the power for
lift (which is about the same at any speed), your speed over the water
is basiclly only limited by how smooth the water is. Truly enormous
speeds would be possible, even as an EV.
Maybe a craft that was some combination of these three techniques? :-)
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Very unscientific. Just paged through the EV album. If anyone know of even
better candidates please list. So Far Red Beastie looks good for the top
spot but a small scooter might beat it for. Seems small vehicles that can
carry 4 passengers and weigh less than 2000 pounds like the Robin Reliant
might also be contenders. Anything that weighted around 2k and got 40 or
more miles range got in. One City EL was amazing. Probably the winner.
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/100.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/254.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/356.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/587.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/206.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/142.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/205.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/117.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/308.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/361.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/194.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/336.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/550.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/348.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/019.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/444.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/077.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/341.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/022.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/581.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/323.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/350.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/454.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/435a.jpg
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/476.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/480.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/570.html
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/314.html
Lawrence Rhodes
Bassoon/Contrabassoon
Reedmaker
Book 4/5 doubler
Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
415-821-3519
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Hi everyone,
Yesterday I installed my recently "refurbished" Raptor 600 controller. I had a
lot of confidence in my wiring, since I've been running on a borrowed (thanks
Nick!) R600 for about a month now. "Just a quick swap" turned into "I can't
believe this is doing the same thing." It exhibited the same symptom which
caused me to send it to Peter Senkowsky 5 months ago- no lights, fan, or any
other sign of life.
I called Peter, and quickly figured out the problem- Pin 9 of the green
connector on the R600 is a pre-charge pin on some models. This pin must be
connected to Pin 10 (Battery +). Once I installed this jumper, the unit came to
life. The unit I was borrowing didn't need this pin connected to do the
pre-charge, and Peter's test bench always connects this pin to B+.
The schematic in the controller manual labels pin 9 as "LBI". It shows a wire
going to it, but also has the nomenclature "N/C" next to it. Since nothing in
the manual refers to this pin, I assumed N/C meant "No Connection". (should I
have assumed Normally Closed??) To add to my confusion, the pin on the case of
the controller is labeled "Aux 3".
Hopefully this note will aid someone else out there who finds his R600 DOA.
Best regards, Jim Seibert
'92 Celica with 780 electric miles on it
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I guess the Chinese invasion of the North American auto market will
start slowly:
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200505/17/eng20050517_185452.html
More info on 'Happy Messenger' available here:
http://www.qyev.com/english/zycp/xl.html
The body looks exactly like a Toyota Echo Sedan to me.
My quick Google search for this car showed 'happy messenger' to appear
as a quote from Shakespeare,
Two Gentlemen from Verona, Act II, Schene III
"VALENTINE: My lord, I will be thankful to any happy messenger from thence."
--
Paul Wujek ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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TdS Report #38: Governor Pataki's Tour de Sol Press Release
GOVERNOR ATTENDS 17TH ANNUAL TOUR DE SOL AT THE EMPIRE STATE PLAZA
Festival Showcases State Efforts to Encourage
Clean Fuel Vehicles and Technology
STATE OF NEW YORK
EXECUTIVE CHAMBER
GEORGE E. PATAKI, GOVERNOR
Press Office
518-474-8418
212-681-4640
http://www.state.ny.us
FOR RELEASE: IMMEDIATE, Monday May 16, 2005
Governor George E. Pataki today joined the Northeast Sustainable Energy
Association (NESEA), New York State officials, and companies displaying
advanced fuel technology and alternative fuel vehicles at the Empire State
Plaza in Albany. The event marked the conclusion of the 17th Annual Tour de
Sol, America's sustainable energy and transportation festival. The 2005 Tour
de Sol, which kicked off Friday in Saratoga Springs, showcases alternative-fuel
vehicles and related technology that aim to reduce oil and carbon emissions to
zero.
``Each year the Tour de Sol highlights the latest innovations in alternative
energy technology and advanced fuel vehicles, showcasing the future of the
clean energy and transportation industry,'' Governor Pataki said. ``Over the
last ten years, we've invested unprecedented funding into the research and
development of clean fuel technology and currently deploy more than 4,400
alternative-fueled vehicles in our State-operated fleets. I'm proud that many
of the cars and technology featured at the Tour de Sol are being developed and
produced in New York -- creating new markets and new jobs for the 21st Century,
while helping to clean our air and reduce our dependence on foreign oil.''
Premier sponsors of the event include the New York State Energy
Research and Development Authority (NYSERDA) and the Center for Technology
Commercialization. Key supporting sponsors include the New York Power
Authority, the U.S. Department of Energy, Toyota, the New York State Department
of Environmental Conservation, the Automotive Career Development Center, Honda
Motor Corp., Environmental Alternatives, the Federal Highway Administration,
New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation, and the
Electric Drive Transportation Association.
Nancy Hazard, Executive Director of the Northeast Sustainable Energy
Association, which organized the event, said, ``The students, businesses and
New York State government officials, the auto companies producing advanced
vehicles, and people using new hybrid and bio-fuel vehicles participating in
the Tour de Sol are the new American heroes of the 21st century. And every
American is a winner because of their efforts to design, build, and use
advanced vehicles that aim to reduce imported oil and climate change emissions
today - offering an alternative solution to the energy and climate change
crises that threaten life, and our planet.''
Peter R. Smith, President of NYSERDA
said, ``The development, advancement, and use of alternative energy and
alternative energy technologies are important for our energy, economic, and
environmental well-being and future. At NYSERDA, we have worked with Governor
Pataki to promote alternative energy throughout New York State, and many of the
alternative-fuel and hybrid technologies seen today are the result of NYSERDA's
assistance. I am proud that we have taken an active role in supporting
alternative energy initiatives and technology, and have been able to partner
with NESEA to bring the Tour de Sol to New York's Capital Region this year.''
New York State Office of General Services Commissioner Daniel D. Hogan said,
``Thanks to the leadership of Governor Pataki, New York State is already a
national leader in the purchase and use of alternative fueled vehicles and, in
fact, every year since 1998, we have exceeded the federally mandated
requirements for purchase of alternative-fueled vehicles. By partnering and
sharing ideas with organizations, such as the Northeast Sustainable Energy
Association, we are taking another step to further AFV use in our State and the
Nation.''
The four-day event kicked off on Friday, May 13th at Saratoga Spa State Park
and included a Monte-Carlo style rally for hybrid and bio-diesel vehicles and
culminated with today's vehicle and technology displays and an awards ceremony
at the Empire State Plaza. Vehicles from Maine to the State of Washington
competed in the 2005 Tour de Sol Championship, showcasing concept vehicles
built by students and entrepreneurs and some production vehicles.
High school students from Cato-Meridian High School in Cayuga County and West
Irondequoit High School, near Rochester designed and created one-person solar-
assisted vehicles, using electricity generated by solar panels fixed on their
vehicles and conventional grid-produced electricity that demonstrated a 98%
reduction in oil use.
Vehicles on display included Toyota's hybrid Prius, Highlander SUV, and Lexus
RX 400h; Honda's three hybrid sedans, the Insight, Civic, and Accord, its
natural gas Civic GX and one of its 30 hydrogen fuel cell vehicles the FCX,
which is being leased to New York State as part of a cold-weather demonstration
program. Also on display was a dual-fuel natural gas snow plow truck recently
purchased by the State Department of Transportation, as well as natural gas,
propane and hybrid buses and trucks; emission reduction technologies for trucks
and buses; new ceramic brakes; bio-diesel suppliers; and lithium battery
manufacturers. Many of the vehicles and components are currently in use or
being produced in New York.
New York Power Authority President and Chief Executive Officer Eugene W.
Zeltmann said, ``Governor Pataki's clean fueled vehicle initiatives are
transforming the transportation sector in New York State. NYPA's contribution
includes a diverse array of electric-drive vehicles that have traveled more
than 4.1 million miles.''
Under the Governor's leadership New York has become a national leader in the
effort to encourage energy efficiency, and to promote the development and use
of clean energy and renewable energy technologies. New York now invests nearly
$300 million annually in energy efficiency and renewable energy programs.
New York State's Clean Fueled Vehicle Program was created in 1996 through the
$1.75 billion Clean Water/Clean Air Bond Act. The program was established
within OGS with the purpose of acquiring clean-fueled vehicles for State use
and testing and evaluating new technologies. The program is operated by the
Clean-Fueled Vehicle Council, which includes OGS and representatives from 16
agencies and the State University of New York. In 1995, the State owned just
four alternative fueled vehicles. Today, there are more than 4,400 in the
State's fleet and nearly 90 percent of the cars and light duty vehicles
purchased annually are AFVs. The Governor has committed that 100 percent of
non-emergency light duty vehicles purchased by the State will be AFVs by 2010.
For more information on the winners of the 2005 Tour de Sol visit
www.TourDeSol.org or contact NESEA at 413-774-6051.
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The complete set of Tour de Sol Reports for 2005 can be found at:
http://www.AutoAuditorium.com/TdS_Reports_2005
The complete set of past Tour de Sol Reports can be found at:
http://www.FovealSystems.com/Tour_de_Sol_Reports.html
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The above is Copyright 2005 by Michael H. Bianchi.
Permission to copy is granted provided the entire article is presented
without modification and this notice remains attached.
For other arrangements, contact me at +1-973-822-2085 .
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For more on the NESEA Tour de Sol, see the web page at
http://www.TourdeSol.org
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Official NESEA Tour de Sol information is available from the sponsor,
the Northeast Sustainable Energy Association (NESEA) at
413 774-6051 , and 50 Miles Street, Greenfield, MA 01301 , and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . All media enquiries should be addressed to ...
Jack Groh
Tour de Sol Communications Director
P.O. Box 6044
Warwick, RI 02887-6044
401 732-1551
401 732-0547 fax
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Seriously, don't take anyone's word for it. Get a fish scale and pull
>> the car by hand on a flat and level surface
>
> We have tried this working on ICE race cars trying to compare different
> lubes and cv packing schemes but never seem to get very good
> repeatability.
>
Yeah, I always thought that pulling by hand would cause repeatability
problems.
Maybe try using a slow moving electric winch with a long cable?
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Bob,
Will this help?:
http://www.newton.mec.edu/brown/te/ALTERNATIVE_FUEL/TIMELINE/timeline.html
Thanks, this gives me some new names to check out.
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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Hi,
I am still trying to find out when the last time an
EV bested and ICE in
competition racing under the same set of rules. So
far, I have found 'Jamais
Content' held the world speed record from 1897 to
1900 ( a steamer took the
record away ). I have not been able to find anything
else. Can anybody
suggest an EV historian that I might contact?
Thanks for any help
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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Dennis,
Cliff,I race on a weekly basis against the ice drag racers in Arizona.The
Current Eliminator is ranked 3rd in the super pro class in the ADRA.
My next race,this coming friday eve
at
speedworld in witman az. Dennis
Berube
Thanks. This is exactly the information I am looking for. Your car fits
under the Super pro class? Have you ever won the Super pro class for the
night? Is there a link that you can point me to for rules and results.
Thanks
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
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> I have a DC Ampmeter with build-in shunt (good for 25A).
> Is there any not-too-dangerous or wildly inaccurate way to use this for
> AC?
> I was thinking of putting a bridge rectifier in the line, with the Ammeter
> on the DC side of the bridge.
> Will this work? How far off will the reading be?
>
Hmm, forward voltage drop on a typical diode is about 0.6V, full scale
deflection on a typical meter/shunt is 0.05V (50 mv).
Since the full scale reading isn't enough to get the diode to start
conducting, my guess is that it won't work.
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