EV Digest 4410
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Portland Visit
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: Alfa Romeo EV Conversion
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: First Ev Outing... long
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: "The Basics" - building an NEV
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Portland Visit
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Virus in message??????RE: EV digest 4408
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Discovery Channel to film NEDRA Power of DC
by "Rich Rudman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: FW: Amp Head, Heads Up
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: article: The inevitable coming of the electric motorcycle
by Mark Dodrill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
by "Rodriguez, Jennifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Power of DC
by James Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: "The Basics" - building an NEV
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Discovery Channel to film NEDRA Power of DC
by "John Westlund" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Virus in message??????RE: EV digest 4408
by Chris Seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Power of DC
by "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) The Discovery EV program
by "Stu and Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) One week to REV!2005 in Vancouver, BC
by "Harris, Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
by "Roy LeMeur" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Mopeds: One from column (a), not from column (b)
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
22) Re: "The Basics" - building an NEV
by Ted Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: "The Basics" - building an NEV
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: The Discovery EV program
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Rabbit front springs
by Andrew Letton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) RE: The Discovery EV program
by "Stu and Jan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
by Victor Tikhonov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I'll be in Portland June 12-17 if anyone would like to get together for any
or all of the following:
1) Have lunch
2) Show off his/her EV
3) Give a new guy some pointers.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill Dennis
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Joe Strubhar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If you have the height to do so, there is a better way -
> brass automotive to 5/16 stud adapters.
Just to clarify, the batteries in this conversion are marine type with
threaded studs sticking out of the top of the SAE posts. It was never
suggested that the studs be removed; it was the lugs (ring terminals) on
the cables that were to be "lopped off" so that proper SAE clamps could
be installed on the original cables and clamped onto the existing SAE
posts.
Cheers,
Roger.
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I can see it now... "But officer, look under the hood here, this is
just a forklift motor and a few batteries!"
This is a good thing about organized racing, if you can win a race
you convince a hundred (or even thousands) of people electrics can be
fast.
--- John Westlund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... I'll have the only
> road going EV in my city. I am damn well going to be sure
> this EV will make good 'first impressions' with the locals,
> burning rubber, terrorizing law enforcement, banging on
> people's windows with its sound system, and perhaps hitting
> more than 130 mph in the event I take someone for a ride
> over the river into Illinois on route 15, provided Ponch and
> John aren't around with a radar gun. That would scare the
> crap out of them and make them remember this car and of
> what's possible, as gas prices continue to catch up with
> reality.
> ...
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Ted Wagner wrote:
Hello, I'm new to the group. I have been interested
in electric cars for a few years, but haven't done
much to learn about them.
Welcome to the list.
I'm interested in building an NEV both for puttering
around the neighborhood and when my family and I go
camping.
What are the basics to either an EV or an NEV? Is
there a simple logical drawing or something?
I mean, is it as simple as:
battery==>pot==>electric motor
Or, is it more complicated than that?
Some make it even simpler: battery ==> motor :-)
If I wanted to take an old riding lawn mower and
completely convert it to electric just for the fun of
it...and perhaps to get up to 30 mph out of it, what
components are absolutely necessary? What components
wouldn't be necessary but would be nice features, etc.
etc. etc.?
NEV lawnmower... Talk to John Wayland about his heavy metal
tractor. Few others have Electracs, they are in EV photo album
you can view: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/
Thank you
Ted
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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Bill,
If you can make it by June 9th, you will meet many Portland
EVers and see their EVs on out monthly meeting we have on every
second Thursday each month.
Bill Dennis wrote:
I'll be in Portland June 12-17 if anyone would like to get together for any
or all of the following:
1) Have lunch
2) Show off his/her EV
3) Give a new guy some pointers.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bill Dennis
--
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different
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when I opened your post I got a message that the sender wanted to know that
I had received it . ? I hit yes ,
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From: "Chris Seeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:31 PM
Subject: OT: Virus in message??????RE: EV digest 4408
Hi, List,
I got the following message, stating that there is a virus in the digest.
Has anyone else received this type of message????
The virus that it detected also makes no sense?
Thanks
Chris Seeley
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Subject: EV digest 4408
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OOOoo ! yea Way to go Chip!!!!
Bring the cameras maybe we can get Rod off his Butt and let me get Gp
running again.
TV cameras is about the only way Rod will let the Light of Day fall on Gp
again.
Grrrr!
Sigh....
Madman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chip Gribben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:40 PM
Subject: Discovery Channel to film NEDRA Power of DC
> Bring your EVs and be on TV.
>
> The Discovery Channel will be at the NEDRA Power of DC Saturday June 11
> at the Mason Dixon Dragway in Hagerstown, Maryland.
>
> This will be a great opportunity to get EVs out on a National level.
> NBC TV plans to be there as well.
>
> Besides being on TV, racers will have a chance to win trophies and cash
> prizes and of course meet with other EV enthusiasts.
>
> See the Power of DC website for more details.
>
> Feel free to contact me for further information about the race.
>
> Chip Gribben
> NEDRA Power of DC
> http://www.powerofdc,com
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 301-490-0657
> cell 240-687-1678
>
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Rod , I have had so many people tell me they say the show when they look at
my truck , This has been great for me , they already know somthing about
ev's when I'm showing them mine. ( although my green box is smaller that
yours :-) .
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From: "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: FW: Amp Head, Heads Up
Tim, people can comment on the show by either calling Discovery at
1-800-889-9950 and ask for viewer relations or go to
http://extweb.discovery.com/viewerrelations and fill out their form in
order to make your comments.
Judging by the amount of fan mail I received either the tide is turning
or it just had to do with the time slot right after the most popular show
on cable TV, not just the Discovery Channel.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: "Tim Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: FW: Amp Head, Heads Up
Be careful, it's probably illegal for you to copy and distribute it.
However, if someone were to somehow get into your
personal storage folder... well, I don't know about that either. If you
do though, don't delete the ads, we need to
know who to write to, to express thanks for their support.
I would recommend that those who would like a copy get it right from The
Discovery Channel. It's not that expensive
and it shows the producers that there is an interest.
Unfortunately a search on TDC doesn't reveal a way to get a copy from
them. Perhaps one of "the speed-hungry,
rubber-burning, adrenaline-pumped electro-nerds" know how... ^-)
--
Stay Charged!
Hump
"Ignorance is treatable, with a good prognosis. However, if left
untreated, it develops into Arrogance, which is often
fatal. :-)" -- Lee Hart
Get your own FREE evgrin.com email address;
send a request to ryan at evsourcecom
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Evan Tuer
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
On 6/3/05, Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Roderick Wilde wrote:
> "Sucking Amps"
> will be on Discovery Channel tonight at 8PM and 11PM west coast
> time. Check you local listings.
Would there be any interest in me transferring this to my computer and
encoding it using something like DivX, 3ivX, Xvid, or even something
else? I'll chop out all the ads, but it will still be a big download.
Yes please! Make it available as a torrent maybe if you're worried
about
the server load..
Regards
Evan
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I followed this link through a couple of other sites and found out
about the new Honda Big Ruckus. It seems to be a cross between a
scooter and a motorcycle.
http://powersports.honda.com/scooters/model.asp?ModelName=Big+Ruckus&ModelYear=2005&ModelId=PS2505
If you could get it without the gas motor, it might make some good
electric transportation that looks cool too.
Mark
On 5/29/05, Paul Wujek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> An article about some interesting electric motorcycles:
>
> link:
> http://gizmag.com/go/4083/
>
> --
> Paul Wujek ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
>
>
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Here is section 406(a) quoted directly from the CA Vehicle Code website:
406. (a) A "motorized bicycle" or "moped" is any two-wheeled or three-wheeled
device having fully operative pedals for propulsion by human power, or having
no pedals if powered solely by electrical energy, and an automatic transmission
and a motor which produces less than 2 gross brake horsepower and is capable of
propelling the device at a maximum speed of not more than 30 miles per hour on
level ground.
By this definition, my moped is a motorized bicycle - the section even states
that a moped and a motorized bicycle are the same thing. See the top speed
listed as 30 mph. Here's the link:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc406.htm
Jenn
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Cameron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
Jenn, read the motorized bicycle section closer. The law clearly states
"motorized bicycle cannot go faster than 20 mph" and "A motorized bicycle
may be driven in a bicycle lane on a roadway...". If your moped "can" go
faster than 20mph, it is **not** a motorized bicycle.
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rodriguez, Jennifer
Sent: June 3, 2005 10:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; EV Discussion List
Subject: RE: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
Wait a minute, in your quote below, you actually wrote (as I cut and paste
from your section below):
"A motorized bicycle may be driven in a bicycle lane on a roadway at a
reasonable speed and with special care for bicyclists using the lane."
And then you conclude that riding a moped (a.k.a a motorized bicycle as per
section 406 which you also quoted) in the bike lane is NOT legal. I'll take
the DMV code you quoted over your personal analysis, in this case. From the
vehicle code, it is definitely legal to ride a moped/motorized bicycle in
the bike lane.
Perhaps you are confusing bike lanes with bike paths, their off-the-roadway
cousins.
Jenn
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:36 PM
To: EV Discussion List
Subject: RE: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
<<< Unless you have bike plenty of lanes around, in which case, you're a lot
better off than an NEV because they are not allowed in bike lanes. This
is why I got a moped-class scooter, instead of an NEV. I commute to
work on a 45mph expressway, but I ride in the bike lane. Works great! >>>
There may be a bit of confusion on the bike lane legality:
[Vehicle Code (VC) �406(a) defines a motorized bicycle, commonly called a
moped,
as a two- or three-wheeled vehicle which can be temporarily propelled by
pedals
or by an electric motor. An automatic transmission connects the wheels to an
engine which produces less than 2 gross brake horsepower. It has a top speed
of
30 miles per hour on level ground.
A motorized bicycle is also defined (VC �406[b]) as a device which has fully
operative pedals for human propulsion and has an electric motor with an
output
of not more than 1,000 watts and cannot be driven at a speed of more than 20
mph on level ground. The motorized bicycle cannot go faster than 20 mph even
if
assisted by human power. These vehicles must operate so the electric motor
is
disengaged when the brakes are applied or when the starter switch or
mechanism
is released. A motorized bicycle may not be driven on a freeway, bicycle
path
or trail, equestrian trail, or hiking or recreation trail unless the path or
trail is on, or next to, a roadway or permission to use the trail or roadway
is
granted by local ordinance. A motorized bicycle may be driven in a bicycle
lane
on a roadway at a reasonable speed and with special care for bicyclists
using
the lane.]
It appears riding a moped (VC �406[a]) in the bicycle lane is NOT legal,
while
riding an ebike (VC �406[b]) or a scooter (the type with a 15mph top speed)
in
the bike lane is.
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Rod & Rich you should have time to get out here!
...7 days and counting I've been bouncing around all week thinking
about it, my
wife is starting to get fed up.
James
Quoting Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
OOOoo ! yea Way to go Chip!!!!
Bring the cameras maybe we can get Rod off his Butt and let me get Gp
running again.
TV cameras is about the only way Rod will let the Light of Day fall on Gp
again.
Grrrr!
Sigh....
Madman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chip Gribben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:40 PM
Subject: Discovery Channel to film NEDRA Power of DC
Bring your EVs and be on TV.
The Discovery Channel will be at the NEDRA Power of DC Saturday June 11
at the Mason Dixon Dragway in Hagerstown, Maryland.
This will be a great opportunity to get EVs out on a National level.
NBC TV plans to be there as well.
Besides being on TV, racers will have a chance to win trophies and cash
prizes and of course meet with other EV enthusiasts.
See the Power of DC website for more details.
Feel free to contact me for further information about the race.
Chip Gribben
NEDRA Power of DC
http://www.powerofdc,com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
301-490-0657
cell 240-687-1678
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Yes that is possible. I have heard of some motorized vehicles being chased
from bike paths. I'd be sceptical of mopeds in the bike lane though. For
one thing they go 30 mph. I don't want to share with them at that speed.
Can anyone quote the exact vehicle code for what is allowed in bike lanes in
California. Lawrence Rhodes....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rodriguez, Jennifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "EV Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
Wait a minute, in your quote below, you actually wrote (as I cut and paste
from your section below):
"A motorized bicycle may be driven in a bicycle lane
on a roadway at a reasonable speed and with special care for bicyclists
using
the lane."
And then you conclude that riding a moped (a.k.a a motorized bicycle as
per section 406 which you also quoted) in the bike lane is NOT legal.
I'll take the DMV code you quoted over your personal analysis, in this
case. From the vehicle code, it is definitely legal to ride a
moped/motorized bicycle in the bike lane.
Perhaps you are confusing bike lanes with bike paths, their
off-the-roadway cousins.
Jenn
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:36 PM
To: EV Discussion List
Subject: RE: Selling scooters, Cal Law change
<<< Unless you have bike plenty of lanes around, in which case, you're a
lot
better off than an NEV because they are not allowed in bike lanes. This
is why I got a moped-class scooter, instead of an NEV. I commute to
work on a 45mph expressway, but I ride in the bike lane. Works great! >>>
There may be a bit of confusion on the bike lane legality:
[Vehicle Code (VC) �406(a) defines a motorized bicycle, commonly called a
moped,
as a two- or three-wheeled vehicle which can be temporarily propelled by
pedals
or by an electric motor. An automatic transmission connects the wheels to
an
engine which produces less than 2 gross brake horsepower. It has a top
speed of
30 miles per hour on level ground.
A motorized bicycle is also defined (VC �406[b]) as a device which has
fully
operative pedals for human propulsion and has an electric motor with an
output
of not more than 1,000 watts and cannot be driven at a speed of more than
20
mph on level ground. The motorized bicycle cannot go faster than 20 mph
even if
assisted by human power. These vehicles must operate so the electric motor
is
disengaged when the brakes are applied or when the starter switch or
mechanism
is released. A motorized bicycle may not be driven on a freeway, bicycle
path
or trail, equestrian trail, or hiking or recreation trail unless the path
or
trail is on, or next to, a roadway or permission to use the trail or
roadway is
granted by local ordinance. A motorized bicycle may be driven in a bicycle
lane
on a roadway at a reasonable speed and with special care for bicyclists
using
the lane.]
It appears riding a moped (VC �406[a]) in the bicycle lane is NOT legal,
while
riding an ebike (VC �406[b]) or a scooter (the type with a 15mph top
speed) in
the bike lane is.
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Ted I'd take the learn from fixing approach. I'd start out with modifing an
old golf cart. Some have four seats. Increase the voltage. to 48v to 72v
and you will have enough omph to go 25mph. This is the easy way. Another
approach is to convert a VW. They are plentyful and cheap here in
California. Lawrence Rhodes....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Wagner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:14 PM
Subject: "The Basics" - building an NEV
Hello, I'm new to the group. I have been interested
in electric cars for a few years, but haven't done
much to learn about them.
I'm interested in building an NEV both for puttering
around the neighborhood and when my family and I go
camping.
What are the basics to either an EV or an NEV? Is
there a simple logical drawing or something?
I mean, is it as simple as:
battery==>pot==>electric motor
Or, is it more complicated than that?
If I wanted to take an old riding lawn mower and
completely convert it to electric just for the fun of
it...and perhaps to get up to 30 mph out of it, what
components are absolutely necessary? What components
wouldn't be necessary but would be nice features, etc.
etc. etc.?
Thank you
Ted
Ted Wagner's Electric Telegraph Reference Library Website
http://www.trwagner.org
Signal Corps Website
http://www.civilwarsignal.org/
USMT (Military Telegraph)
http://www.unitedstatesmilitarytelegraph.org
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I would love to see Wayland, Wilde, Brown, Bryan, and
Ebenhoech haul their butts out there, but they're probably
too busy. Imagine getting on national TV footage of the
Zombie laying a two-inch thick streaks of rubber on the
ground and then smoking a Viper or Corvette. Or Otmar's
Porsche blowing off a 5.0 Mustang or some such, and maybe
get some footage of Rod's van, which would be another time
the suck amps van gets aired on TV. Have Rich Brown with
Daulin 7, John Bryan with his Ghia. One could dream, at
least.
Glad to see EV racing is finally starting to get some
attention.
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Ryan, go to http://www.suckamps.com/index.php?page=gone_postal_upgrades and
http://www.suckamps.com/index.php?page=postal_van_rebuild_photos to see the
upgraded splined primary drives. GP is sitting in storage waiting for a
sponsor. The last time out we broke all the teeth off third gear. The new
gears cost $5000.00. That is the sponsored price! Racing ain't cheap.You can
also read some of my responses to fans at
http://www.suckamps.com/index.php?page=viewer_feedback which tell about
upgrades.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
That's too bad about the belt(s). What's the current status of the
vehicle and future plans for it?
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Sorry Steve, and all.
I sent that message from my PC at work!! I have Outlook set to
automatically send a "read reciept" at work!!!. I sometimes forget to
change that when I send a "For Home" email from worK!!!!
Sorry again
Chris Seeley
P.S. I guess I get punished by getting a bunch of read reciepts!! I
have already recieved about 100 or so!!!!!
Best
Chris Seeley
On 6/3/05, STEVE CLUNN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> when I opened your post I got a message that the sender wanted to know that
> I had received it . ? I hit yes ,
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Seeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:31 PM
> Subject: OT: Virus in message??????RE: EV digest 4408
>
>
> > Hi, List,
> >
> > I got the following message, stating that there is a virus in the digest.
> >
> > Has anyone else received this type of message????
> >
> > The virus that it detected also makes no sense?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Chris Seeley
> >
> >
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You've been jumping???
I've been jumping!!
Will my little batteries hold up or will they blow on the first launch? Do I
have the right combinations of sprockets
to ensure a decent run while still protecting my motor and controller. Will I
have traction problems (I hope so)!!
Will I get skunked and not be able to finish the car because I forgot to bring
some stupid little insignificant part?
I am not in this for just myself now, it's all of us as a team. Will I make
some stupid decision and let us all down.
Granted "Gone Postal" had it's problems, and was still a great thing to watch.
But they had more than 1/2 a day to get
it running too! And they were able to test it on the street first. I'm
bringing a trailer full of old used parts(
mostly from elec-trak's) and we're trying to build a Jr. in just one afternoon.
Then again, we're not dealing with a
>700hp triple motor drivetrain. Just a simple 36v sep-ex unit being fed with 72
>volts worth of 13ah Hawker GP-EP's
through a 600amp Curtis. (which in a 400 lb car shouldn't do to bad)
Am I worried?? Naw it's not my nature.
I just won't be able to sleep next week....
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: 6/3/2005 6:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Power of DC
>
> Rod & Rich you should have time to get out here!
>
> ....7 days and counting I've been bouncing around all week thinking
> about it, my
> wife is starting to get fed up.
>
> James
>
> Quoting Rich Rudman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> OOOoo ! yea Way to go Chip!!!!
>> Bring the cameras maybe we can get Rod off his Butt and let me get Gp
>> running again.
>>
>> TV cameras is about the only way Rod will let the Light of Day fall on
> Gp
>> again.
>>
>> Grrrr!
>>
>> Sigh....
>>
>> Madman
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chip Gribben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 12:40 PM
>> Subject: Discovery Channel to film NEDRA Power of DC
>>
>>
>>> Bring your EVs and be on TV.
>>>
>>> The Discovery Channel will be at the NEDRA Power of DC Saturday June
> 11
>>> at the Mason Dixon Dragway in Hagerstown, Maryland.
>>>
>>> This will be a great opportunity to get EVs out on a National level.
>>> NBC TV plans to be there as well.
>>>
>>> Besides being on TV, racers will have a chance to win trophies and
> cash
>>> prizes and of course meet with other EV enthusiasts.
>>>
>>> See the Power of DC website for more details.
>>>
>>> Feel free to contact me for further information about the race.
>>>
>>> Chip Gribben
>>> NEDRA Power of DC
>>> http://www.powerofdc,com
>>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> 301-490-0657
>>> cell 240-687-1678
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I thank the EV list for the heads up about the program.
My impressions:
The drive belts were a joke. The belts used in the Choppers are much
beefier.
The guys were more concerned about the paint job then they were about the
drive reliability.
They forgot to tighten 'a' set screw? What is that all about? For high
torque, there should have been at least 2 set screws at 90 degrees to each
other.
On the positive side, they had many good ideas, good hands, good machine and
welding.
The Woodruff key looked about the size of the key in my 4 hp 36v/80 amp
floor scrubber motor.
Way undersized.
If they had done well at the track, the paint or lack thereof would have
been ignored.
The batteries and the Zilla were awesome. They did their homework. They
logged the battery voltages upon delivery, etc. The charger and the
charging meter seemed first class. No details were given.
The batteries/motor/wiring/controller all looked good to my novice eyes.
(Anyone recognize the motors?)
Back to paint. They 'needed' the paint the under vehicle motors in a tight
schedule project?
IMHO Vanity was the root of failure for this project.
I am interested in other opinions about the show.
BoyntonStu
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While it's not the down and out race day Power of DC promises to be June
11th is also the 10th Annual REV show here in Vancouver, BC and we have
several local press coming out to cover the show. The site is bigger this
year with separate areas for the test drives and electrathon race and the
static displays. It is also the 100th anniversary of our Electric Tram that
runs between Science World and Granville Island and there are events
surrounding that on the 11th as well so we are expecting a bigger walk
through crowd this year.
The show runs from 10am to 4pm on Saturday June 11th and we would love to
see anyone who can make it.
For information go to www.veva.bc.ca <http://www.veva.bc.ca/> and click on
the REV!2005 logo.
Lawrence Harris
VEVA Newsletter Editor
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Hi Ryan and others who may be interested...
I have (thanks to John Lussmyer and Casa Del Gato for hosting) a little
photo gallery with some high-res images of Gone Postal, other EVs, Roderick,
and the folks hangin' with EV Parts that were taken in spring of '04. They
include many shot in the shop, at the track, and at Port Townsend's Earth
Day Celebration. Check it out here-
http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm
Roderick Wilde" wrote:
Ryan, go to http://www.suckamps.com/index.php?page=gone_postal_upgrades and
http://www.suckamps.com/index.php?page=postal_van_rebuild_photos to see the
upgraded splined primary drives. GP is sitting in storage waiting for a
sponsor. The last time out we broke all the teeth off third gear. The new
gears cost $5000.00. That is the sponsored price! Racing ain't cheap.You
can also read some of my responses to fans at
http://www.suckamps.com/index.php?page=viewer_feedback which tell about
upgrades.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Amp Head, Heads Up
> That's too bad about the belt(s). What's the current status of the
> vehicle and future plans for it?
>
>
>
.
Roy LeMeur
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.cloudelectric.com
http://www.dcelectricsupply.com
Cloud Electric Vehicles
19428 66th Ave So, Q-101
Kent, Washington 98032
phone: 425-251-6380
fax: 425-251-6381
Toll Free: 800-648-7716
My Electric Vehicle Pages:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evpage.html
Informative Electric Vehicle Links:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/evlinks.html
EV Parts/Gone Postal Photo Galleries:
http://www.casadelgato.com/RoyLemeur/page01.htm
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Here's the official definition page at the California DMV site:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d01/vc406.htm
People often get the two kinds of "motorized bicycles" mixed up - like I said
before, does your bike need a license? If not, you're legal in the bike lane.
Of course, you could just keep driving an unlicensed electric moped and never
get caught, but there are plenty of folks going 40 in a 25mph zone, too!
A bicyclist may be able to pedal over 20mph in a bike lane occupied by an ebike,
but the DMV doesn't define the top speed of a human-powered-only bike, and as
long as his pedalled speed isn't above the street's posted speed limit, he's
still legal. The ebike, however, is stuck at no more than 20mph, unless he
plans on doing all the things neccessary to qualify for a moped license, at
which time he is also kicked out of the bike lane.
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Thanks!
Ted
--- Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ted I'd take the learn from fixing approach. I'd
> start out with modifing an
> old golf cart. Some have four seats. Increase the
> voltage. to 48v to 72v
> and you will have enough omph to go 25mph. This is
> the easy way. Another
> approach is to convert a VW. They are plentyful and
> cheap here in
> California. Lawrence Rhodes....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Wagner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:14 PM
> Subject: "The Basics" - building an NEV
>
>
> > Hello, I'm new to the group. I have been
> interested
> > in electric cars for a few years, but haven't done
> > much to learn about them.
> >
> > I'm interested in building an NEV both for
> puttering
> > around the neighborhood and when my family and I
> go
> > camping.
> >
> > What are the basics to either an EV or an NEV? Is
> > there a simple logical drawing or something?
> >
> > I mean, is it as simple as:
> >
> > battery==>pot==>electric motor
> >
> > Or, is it more complicated than that?
> >
> > If I wanted to take an old riding lawn mower and
> > completely convert it to electric just for the fun
> of
> > it...and perhaps to get up to 30 mph out of it,
> what
> > components are absolutely necessary? What
> components
> > wouldn't be necessary but would be nice features,
> etc.
> > etc. etc.?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Ted
> >
> > Ted Wagner's Electric Telegraph Reference Library
> Website
> > http://www.trwagner.org
> > Signal Corps Website
> > http://www.civilwarsignal.org/
> > USMT (Military Telegraph)
> > http://www.unitedstatesmilitarytelegraph.org
> >
>
>
Ted Wagner's Electric Telegraph Reference Library Website
http://www.trwagner.org
Signal Corps Website
http://www.civilwarsignal.org/
USMT (Military Telegraph)
http://www.unitedstatesmilitarytelegraph.org
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Hi Ted,
First off, I don't think you want an EV for
camping. As an avid camper, I find that we do longer
trips when camping. EVs are currently (at least in
cheaper formats like mine) for short-haul commutes.
Suggest you go to:
www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html
then Mike Brown's book, "Convert It".
Welcome to the list!
--- Ted Wagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello, I'm new to the group. I have been interested
> in electric cars for a few years, but haven't done
> much to learn about them.
>
> I'm interested in building an NEV both for puttering
> around the neighborhood and when my family and I go
> camping.
>
> What are the basics to either an EV or an NEV? Is
> there a simple logical drawing or something?
>
> I mean, is it as simple as:
>
> battery==>pot==>electric motor
>
> Or, is it more complicated than that?
>
> If I wanted to take an old riding lawn mower and
> completely convert it to electric just for the fun
> of
> it...and perhaps to get up to 30 mph out of it, what
> components are absolutely necessary? What
> components
> wouldn't be necessary but would be nice features,
> etc.
> etc. etc.?
>
> Thank you
>
> Ted
>
> Ted Wagner's Electric Telegraph Reference Library
> Website
> http://www.trwagner.org
> Signal Corps Website
> http://www.civilwarsignal.org/
> USMT (Military Telegraph)
> http://www.unitedstatesmilitarytelegraph.org
>
>
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If speed were the only goal, they would have built a dragster like
Current Eliminator.
But if you want to build something with presence, something that
people will remember and could pick out in a crowd instantly, the
postal van made a great choice.
I was at Las Vegas when the race was filmed. You have this big cube
of a vehicle, with a big wild-eyed eagle on the side, with tires that
mean business and a roll cage. I don't think there was anyone that
was able to walk by without stopping to look closer!
--- Stu and Jan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I thank the EV list for the heads up about the program.
>
> My impressions:
>
> The drive belts were a joke. The belts used in the Choppers are
> much
> beefier.
>
> The guys were more concerned about the paint job then they were
> about the
> drive reliability.
>
> They forgot to tighten 'a' set screw? What is that all about? For
> high
> torque, there should have been at least 2 set screws at 90 degrees
> to each
> other.
>
> On the positive side, they had many good ideas, good hands, good
> machine and
> welding.
>
> The Woodruff key looked about the size of the key in my 4 hp 36v/80
> amp
> floor scrubber motor.
>
> Way undersized.
>
> If they had done well at the track, the paint or lack thereof would
> have
> been ignored.
>
> The batteries and the Zilla were awesome. They did their homework.
> They
> logged the battery voltages upon delivery, etc. The charger and
> the
> charging meter seemed first class. No details were given.
>
> The batteries/motor/wiring/controller all looked good to my novice
> eyes.
>
> (Anyone recognize the motors?)
>
> Back to paint. They 'needed' the paint the under vehicle motors in
> a tight
> schedule project?
>
> IMHO Vanity was the root of failure for this project.
>
> I am interested in other opinions about the show.
__________________________________
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I've ordered EV springs from CSS also, and though they did a great job
of getting the rate and height correct, they took MANY weeks longer than
they originally quoted.
cheers,
Andrew
Don Cameron wrote:
John, for my New Beetle conversion I had springs made by Coil Spring
Specialists in Kansas for approx $170.
Don
Victoria, BC, Canada
See the New Beetle EV Conversion Web Site at
www.cameronsoftware.com/ev/
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John Martin
Sent: June 3, 2005 10:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Rabbit front springs
Hi folks
I'm still gathering parts for my 83 Rabbit GTI conversion. But I'm having a
problem finding front springs that will carry the weight of 7 Yellowtop
Optimas. ElectroAuto has springs for 8, 6 volt batteries, much heavier than
7 Optimas. Any suggestions would be helpful. This is really holding me back.
John in San Francisco
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"I was at Las Vegas when the race was filmed. You have this big cube
of a vehicle, with a big wild-eyed eagle on the side, with tires that
mean business and a roll cage. I don't think there was anyone that
was able to walk by without stopping to look closer!"
That is very interesting comment. There was a vehicle that everyone stopped
to look at. It had a big wild-eyed eagle on the side.
And.....?
BoyntonStu
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Roderick Wilde wrote:
The last time out we broke all the teeth off
third gear. The new gears cost $5000.00. That is the sponsored price!
> Racing ain't cheap.
I see why you need sponsorship.
From the sponsor's poing of view - why pay $5k for something
you're probably going to break in a few seconds?
If you don't break anything - you aren't going fast enough. Bad.
So you probably will.
If you do - they get impression of unreliable creation which
only breaks - every time different part of it, unable to
finish, wasting their money. Bad again. Who wants to
associate their name with the thing which always breaks
(and pay for it)??
Of course their point of view differs from yours, but
unfortunately you seem to depend on them more than they
on you...
My point is if GP will sit and wait for someone just hand you
$5k for new gears (or any other potential victim part),
it may take very long time. May happen once, but unlikely you
can keep it running every season relying on that sort of income.
Is there a way to impress TV crews without breaking anything?
I realise it is against racing head spirit, but may serve
better convincing thousands who will be watching that EVs are
reliable and can cross the finish line once in a while...
People *may* associate breakdowns not with the fact that it is
sport, but with the fact that the vehicle being electric.
Victor
'91 ACRX - something different.
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