EV Digest 4636
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: 75mpg Hybrid you can build.
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) On the hunt for batteries
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
3) RE: IOTA DLS battery chargers for 220 vac / 50 hz.
by "Rick Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) EV's used in the Lexus Hybrid commercial
by Rod Hower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Electric jeep 4 sale
by "Mark Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Goodyear Viva 2 sizes, prices, and questions
by "Roland Wiench" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: E-Meter, Ah counters, who needs 'em?
by "John G. Lussmyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re:Now Boats-Ready made motor&controller&batterypack&charger...
by Tom Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) bigger boats
by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: 2000 mile range EV?
by Bruce Weisenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) FS: 9 Evercel M100s pluss chargers
by Derrick J Brashear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Electric Breakfast with Charles Platt in Portland this Saturday
by John Wayland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) FW: New Here corrected link
by "Dennis Merritt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Electric Breakfast with Charles Platt in Portland this Saturday
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Loud Lester charger?
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: 75mpg Hybrid you can build.
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: 2000 mile range EV?
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Bullet Proof Transaxle found for "Gone Postal"
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) EvAmerica 'clutchless design'
by Cwarman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: questions about some of the details
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: IOTA DLS battery chargers for 220 vac / 50 hz.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) SAMS CLUB GC2 STOWAWAY GOLF CART BATTERY
by "Dennis Merritt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: SAMS CLUB GC2 STOWAWAY GOLF CART BATTERY
by James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) RE: SAMS CLUB GC2 STOWAWAY GOLF CART BATTERY
by "Dennis Merritt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: SAMS CLUB GC2 STOWAWAY GOLF CART BATTERY
by Cwarman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: IOTA DLS battery chargers for 220 vac / 50 hz.
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) RE: SAMS CLUB GC2 STOWAWAY GOLF CART BATTERY
by "Dennis Merritt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: 75mpg Hybrid you can build.
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: SAMS CLUB GC2 STOWAWAY GOLF CART BATTERY
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: IOTA DLS battery chargers for 220 vac / 50 hz.
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) Re: Loud Lester charger?
by Lee Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Larence,
That vehicle has been debunked numerous times. I believe even Mother
Earth printed a statement indicating that they could NOT duplicate the
authors claims.
The controller doesn't work as described, and a 5hp lawnmower engine isn't
anywhere near big enough to power that vehicle at highway speeds.
I doubt it could go 75 miles (at highway speeds) on a gallon of gas an a
full battery pack.
> http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1979_July_August/An_Amazing_75_MPG_Hybrid_Electic_Car
> Lawrence Rhodes
> Bassoon/Contrabassoon
> Reedmaker
> Book 4/5 doubler
> Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
> 415-821-3519
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello all,
I have been looking up batteries and trying to figure out how much initial space
I have to work with for the Smart Car conversion.
There are two spaces I can fill underneath without compromising ground
clearance.
They are not particularly battery friendly, but I calculate I can fit 9 D34s, or
12 (Odyssey) 1200s underneath
Ideally, a battery 10 inches long 7 inches wide and 7 inches deep (or smaller)
SLA
with over 40 AH usable is a minimum. The size is a maximum. I will run two sets
in parallel, resulting in 80 AH usable. The reason for sealed is that I cannot
get
to the space without dropping the pack out of the car. Something I don't mind
doing
every once in a while, but not as often as Trojans would need.
I have tried Thundersky (I haven't been able to get a quote) Valence comes in at
$10,000 for 5-6 KW, Peace comes in at $4-5k, and so does evergreen.
Two questions:
1) Any other SLA that fits in that space (10x7x7) that would be better than
Optima
D34s or Odyssey 1200s ?
2) Thoughts of getting Nickel/NIMH pack at 50 AH (limited by 100-150AH max
output)
and putting in parallel with 6 hawker/Optimas ? I can relay disconnect them for
separate charging. I am calculating 400 AH max through the charger, I would like
the batteries to handle near that range. This would reduce the packs in weight,
while raising the KW capacity to almost 7KW.
Big picture, I am trying to fit as many usable KW in 42 inches by 22 inches, by
7 inches deep (there is plumbing through the area, so the actual is smaller).
By
using Optima D34, I can get 5940W (appx 4600 usable), and 5280 watts (less
usable)
from the Odyssey 1200s. I am working on the calculations for the Odyssey 1700
now.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Peter
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Wholesale for a DLS-55 is $75. This is what the guy selling them on eBay
gets them for.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Ryan Stotts
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:45 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: IOTA DLS battery chargers for 220 vac / 50 hz.
Are these re-branded IOTA's?
http://www.stingerelectronics.com/web/prods/fans.asp
Insane markup on them...
http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/Shop/Control/fp/scat/39853/
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I thought the list would be interested in these EV's
http://www.wasanalog.com/sparrow/desert.html
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I'll check tonight and add them if they aren't there.
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From: "Ryan Stotts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Electric jeep 4 sale
> Mark Hanson wrote:
>
> > Hi, if interested, here's the link to my EV on ebay or if you have any
listing suggestions for tweaking the ad, please let me know.
>
> Why no pics of under the hood and of the batteries?
>
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Hello Ryan,
I have a classic car that has the narrow 3/4 inch wide white walls and a sports
car that has a 1/4 wide gold pin like strip and gold lettering.
The white compound is about 1/4 inch deep on my tire, I know this, because I
rubbed the tire against the curb one time. Fill and touch it up with white
wall rubber compounds.
The gold is a gold dust in a liquid compound, the same that painters put signs
on glass. This will come off with tire bleaching cleaning compounds, or the
tire foam cleaners.
The later tires may have a thinner wall surface, like every thing else, they
cheapen it up. On white walls, you can tried to paint them with black rubber
tire paint, which you thin out, and applied in many coats with a very smooth
small paint roller.
The source for these compound and other automotive restoring supplies is:
www.eastwoodcompany.com<http://www.eastwoodcompany.com/> 1-800-345-1178
Roland
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From: Ryan Stotts<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:40 PM
Subject: Goodyear Viva 2 sizes, prices, and questions
Here's the sizes and prices:
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/374/viva11kg.jpg<http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/374/viva11kg.jpg>
Some sizes are available with black walls on both sides. Some have
the 1980's whitewall stripe.
What is the anatomy of a whitewall? Has anyone ever dissected a
whitewall tire? What is that thing? How deep is it? Is it just
painted on? Can it be removed?
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At 12:25 AM 8/29/2005, Lee Hart wrote:
Be careful what you ask for -- you may get it! :-)
The fuel gauge in most cars is a joke. They never mark it in gallons
because its accuracy is so bad. You're lucky if it reads within 1/4 tank
of how much you actually have.
Sorry Lee, but car fuel gauges have improved in the last 30
years. The one on my 91 F-250 seems pretty accurate, and the one in
the 85 Mercedes is quite accurate as well. (This is told from
filling the tank at various indicator levels and seeing how much fuel
I put in.)
1/2 tank indication is probably within a few % of 1/2 tank.
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Dragons soar and Tigers prowl while I dream....
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So I know that the power needed to get up on the plane
in a boat is quite large, but then tapers off once
up... is there any formulas for figuring this?
I have a sail boat and want to use an electric to get
out to it when at anchor... I already have solar
recharge on the sailboat for running lights and such,
but was thinking, a little electric speed boat that
could be towed for recharge behind the sailboat would
be an efficient way to do things... not to mention the
quick, cheap trip down the river to the boat at
anchor!
By the way ... thanks for all the responses! it's nice
to see I'm not alone in thinking this could be a
usefull system.
Tom
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Hi Lawrence and All,
Lawrence Rhodes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 24 Volts the new motor provides a maximum speed of
6 miles per hour. We are happy with this speed. (It is
more than needed for trolling, but a comfortable speed
for just touring the shoreline in the evening)
Sounds like a great way to go and an especially good
way to go solar boating as you ned only a small solar
panel set if you are only going out once a week which
is normal. And great pick of a boat as pontoons use
very little power vs monohulls that if over hull
speed, suck it in hugh quanities.
You might consider the waterline length speed when
under power. Depending
This is really only a factor in monohulls
and pontoons, cats that have wide, deep sterns. They
usually if done correctly not have the bow wave
barrier to higher speeds as they are so narrow if 8-1
beam to length /hull ratio. In a monohull you are
very correct and should keep you speed to the sq root
of
the waterline length which if 25', would be 5 mph.
Above that energy needed goes straight up!! So ge a
pontoon, cat if you want to go fast at all though is
want a cool slow cruiser that can carry a lot of
weight, a low drag monohull of the sailboat, power
launch, displacement hull type is a good way to go.
on the length of your pontoon boat you could use an
ammeter to find the most efficient speed for crusing.
(I am assuming you don't need to get up on a
Cats and pontoon should not get on plane as they can
cut though the water are lower energy use without it.
plane.) Just a fraction of a knot faster than your
length speed and we're talking a lot more power
wasted. It could mean the difference of going
That's exactly what a reg monohull will do making bow
waves instead of speed so slowing a little in them
will save a large amount of power.
HTH's,
Jerry Dycus
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further or not at all. Jerry Dycus might have the
formula for figuring out the exact speed of any length
boat.
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With all this talk of E-boats, I'd like to get an idea of how much
energy would a small ferry require to cover a 6 mile crossing, at
20-25mph. The boat doesn't need to be big, just enough to carry a
single vehicle (a bus) weighing about 10,000 kg.
Any clues?
Thanks :)
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While this is cool idea it seem very impractical as a
study. We all know that Lithium Ion technology and
Aero dynamics will will provide lots of range. It will
not demo EV as a practical vehicle however. They are
building a vehicle similar to a Solar racer that will
not be street legal vehicle and the Average adult will
not fit into. And their answer is to add even more
batteries. No creature comforts, no fowl weather
devices(such as windshield wipers-heat-cooling).
Entertainment could be a a small MP3 Ipod and a
Cellphone for communications. And they are blowing
$200,000.00 to prove they can do it. The only
practical thing I see out of this study is the ability
to charge the Lithium Ions packs in an hour. It would
be nice if they where to design a usefully and
practical EV for an average Family that did they 2000
mile goal with all the creature comforts and
affordable.
Who would invest $200,00.00 in a shoe box to go to
work with?
Now had they built it for $5 to $10K it would have
been a very worthy project. I think they are loosing
site of a practical passenger EV.
--- Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This may be more mailtool friendly:
> http://tinyurl.com/88fsv
>
> Wow, this is unbelievable. But 80KWH of lithium ion
> and a shape
> designed for nothing but range could do it.
>
> Interesting they chose not to use the new huge
> li-ion cells. Doing the
> math they have 8 WH per cell, so they're only a bit
> more than 2 AH,
> basically laptop cells as they described.
>
> 1 hr recharge time. Wow, if you have a source to
> provide 360 amps @
> 220v and a charger that can drive that many amps. I
> wouldn't put it
> past them though.
>
> Danny
>
> Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
>
> >
>
http://www.stanford.edu/group/solarcar/ev/version3.pdf#search='Amazing%20new%20Electric%20Vehicle%20battery'
>
> >
> > Lawrence Rhodes
> > Bassoon/Contrabassoon
> > Reedmaker
> > Book 4/5 doubler
> > Electric Vehicle & Solar Power Advocate
> > 415-821-3519
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
>
>
Future 72 Super Beetle conversion in progress
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I have 9 Evercel M100s which I was going to install into my car, but have
not, and probably would not in the near future. I also have 5 spare cells
in the event you develop a bad cell. I'd like to get $1750 for the lot,
but I am willing to entertain offers. The only catch is if you want it
shipped I'm going to have to solicit ideas from the list for shipping
them. These are just over 50 pounds per battery, 12v, 84ah.
They include the Evercel-provided single battery chargers.
Also, I have 10 Rudman MK2b regulators which if the buyer wishes to pick
them up, I will part with for $42.50 each. These are new, fully assembled
and never installed.
If you have questions, please let me know
Derrick
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Hello to All,
The Electric Breakfast is shaping up to be a fun time for all. Today
through the entire week, the Village Inn will have their large elevated
sign with reader board saying 'Electric Car Breakfast, Sept. 3rd 9:00 -
12:00'. This is great EV advertising in that a large amount of traffic
goes through the intersection of 102nd & SE Stark, so every day people
will be reminded about electric cars...cool! I've put up color posters
inside the restaurant, so there's already a buzz about the mini EV show
& tell.
Anyone wishing to put their EV on display alongside White Zombie, Blue
Meanie, the Silver Bullet, and Fiamp, is welcome to join in the fun.
Please contact me so I'll know how large of an area to cordon off in the
parking lot. Cheryl the restaurant manager says we can eat breakfast
outdoors by our EVs if we want to.
Noted personalities that will be there in random order.... Charles Platt
(Wired magazine author of 'Suck Amps') who will be interviewing EV
owners, The Dutchman from Dutchman Motorsports, Father Time, Marko
Mongillo owner of Fiamp and the metal craftsman behind the newest
metalwork in White Zombie, Tim Brehm and Jeff Bywater (Plasma Boy Racing
Team members), Jim Husted the electric motor artisan behind the Siamese
8 and owner of Hi Torque Electric, Rich 'Madman' Rudman (no description
needed), Mark Farver (web page mastermind behind
http://plasmaboyracing.com) and friends from Austin EV in Texas, and too
many more to list right now. Let it suffice to say that it's going to be
fun.
Hope to See Ya there.....John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
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Hmmm, thanks for that correction... I sent it out properly, according to my
outbox.... Thank you MS OUTLOOK :-(
REVgards,
Dennis Merritt
Sacramento
1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rush
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 6:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: New Here corrected link
Need to add an l at the end so it becomes
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rgibson/Merritt/Stories/voltwgn.htm
l
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "Dennis Merritt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 4:43 PM
Subject: RE: New Here
> John, hello.. Welcome to the world of Evs..
>
> I converted a 69 VW several years ago and wrote an article on my
> experiences... Check here for the article..
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rgibson/Merritt/Stories/voltw
> gn.htm
> l
>
> REVgards,
>
> Dennis Merritt
> Sacramento
>
> 1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
> 1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
> 1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
>
>
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Tim Clevenger
> Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:57 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: New Here
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> I would also take the time to read a few conversion diaries to get an
> idea of what you're up against. If you look through the EVAlbum for
> entries with websites attached, you'll usually find them. Here are a
> few to get you
> started:
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/evranger/evranger.htm
>
> http://jerryrig.com/convert/
>
> http://www.evsupersite.net/pages/807953/index.htm
>
> http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda/civic/civic.html
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Aug 28, 2005, at 6:26 AM, Electric Vehicle Discussion List wrote:
>
>> From: "john.s.winters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: August 27, 2005 9:49:15 PM PDT
>> To: <[email protected]>
>> Subject: RE: New Here
>>
>>
>> Thank you! I will order the book on my next payday. How many
>> batteries do you figure it will take? I can drive a manual trannie I
>> grew up in
>> Iowa and
>> have used them most of my life.
>>
>> John S. Winters
>
>
>
>
>
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John, We will be bringing the street legal "Gone Postal". I'm putting the
replacement transaxle in this week. I won't be racing. I'm still short one
Zilla but the front one will still make it drivable. See you Friday night at
the Wayland Invitational. We will bring it there also for show and tell.
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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From: "John Wayland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:28 AM
Subject: Electric Breakfast with Charles Platt in Portland this Saturday
Hello to All,
The Electric Breakfast is shaping up to be a fun time for all. Today
through the entire week, the Village Inn will have their large elevated
sign with reader board saying 'Electric Car Breakfast, Sept. 3rd 9:00 -
12:00'. This is great EV advertising in that a large amount of traffic
goes through the intersection of 102nd & SE Stark, so every day people
will be reminded about electric cars...cool! I've put up color posters
inside the restaurant, so there's already a buzz about the mini EV show &
tell.
Anyone wishing to put their EV on display alongside White Zombie, Blue
Meanie, the Silver Bullet, and Fiamp, is welcome to join in the fun.
Please contact me so I'll know how large of an area to cordon off in the
parking lot. Cheryl the restaurant manager says we can eat breakfast
outdoors by our EVs if we want to.
Noted personalities that will be there in random order.... Charles Platt
(Wired magazine author of 'Suck Amps') who will be interviewing EV owners,
The Dutchman from Dutchman Motorsports, Father Time, Marko Mongillo owner
of Fiamp and the metal craftsman behind the newest metalwork in White
Zombie, Tim Brehm and Jeff Bywater (Plasma Boy Racing Team members), Jim
Husted the electric motor artisan behind the Siamese 8 and owner of Hi
Torque Electric, Rich 'Madman' Rudman (no description needed), Mark Farver
(web page mastermind behind http://plasmaboyracing.com) and friends from
Austin EV in Texas, and too many more to list right now. Let it suffice to
say that it's going to be fun.
Hope to See Ya there.....John 'Plasma Boy' Wayland
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On 29 Aug 2005 at 0:26, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> Is it normal for a Lestronic I 120vdc/12vdc Model 9776 charger to be so
> loud?
Yeah, they're all buzz-boxes, though 80 dB sounds kinda loud.
> It doesn't hold the 3amp finish voltage. It goes down to zero like a
> variac or K&W charger does.
I don't think that should happen. Mine never did that. Most Lestronics
finish at either 5 or 8 amps and shut down when the voltage starts to fall a
bit (dv/dt algorithm). Yours might have a flaky cap, causing low output.
How long does it take to shut off?
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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On 29 Aug 2005 at 1:10, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> http://www.motherearthnews.com/library/1979_July_August/An_Amazing_75_MPG_Hybr
> id_Electic_Car
I can't believe that article is still making the rounds! It was a snow job.
I don't think anybody ever actually built one of those and got anything
like the claimed performance. The laws of physics just don't support its
claims.
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On 29 Aug 2005 at 7:12, Bruce Weisenberger wrote:
> It would
> be nice if they where to design a usefully and
> practical EV for an average Family that did they 2000
> mile goal with all the creature comforts and
> affordable.
Hmm, I don't know that that's any more useful. Solectria tried that with
the Sunrise (it had less range, but they used NiMH instead of lithium).
Nothing ever came of that, either, I'm sorry to say.
Besides, it's an engineering exercise, not product development. It's not
their goal to design something that you'd want to drive to work. As for
cost, again, they're not designing this for real-world serial production.
It's a research and demonstration project. One-offs are always expensive.
That much range is a significant accomplishment. I say we should give them
a little credit for their hard work.
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While surfing for transaxles for my new secret project tentatively titled
"The Tesla Monster" I came across the G-Force GT-50 Transmission. This baby
can handle 1100 horsepower. It sells for about $5600.00 from Summit Racing.
Check it out at: http://www.g-forcetransmissions.com/tran_gt-50.asp This
will also be the ultimate replacement for the VW Corrado transaxle for the
front in "Gone Postal".
Roderick Wilde
"Suck Amps EV Racing"
www.suckamps.com
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Anyone have any experience in EvAmerica's clutchless design for the
Adapter from EV motor to my current S10 with manual transmission
compared to using the manual clutch with a adapter from a place like Canev?
Is there one better than the other or one thats more simple to install etc..
Thanks
CWarman
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Mark McCurdy wrote:
> Eh? I thought you had to have the circuit complete (either loaded or
> charging) to get voltage "travel" between batteries in a string...
Not with lead-acids; just connecting them in parallel will slowly
equalize them all to the same state of charge. It's like connecting
buckets of water with a siphon hose. Slow, but no pump (charger) is
needed.
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*BE* the change that you wish to see in the world.
-- Mahatma Gandhi
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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Steve. Do you have the 110 version or 220 version? LR...........
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From: "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: IOTA DLS battery chargers for 220 vac / 50 hz.
I/ve been running mine at 150v and its on when the charger is on , I'm
going up in voltage so I to will have to do somthing , I;ve been thinking
of getting some kind of li -ion batteries for running the lights , the
voltage on 4 cells would be alittle higher than a lead bat which is good
( or I could get 5 cells and have some kind of regulator) , and a 40 ah
would weight just a little more than same as a dc to dc , aaround 12 lbs .
My dc to dc draws 1.5 amps daytime and 2.7 at night . The other reason fo
r doing this is get to know these batteries . Wasn't long ago we talked
about what was better a dc to dc or a extra battery . I could say that the
constanst draw through the day uses 1 to 3 % which if we are talking
about battery weight would be 15 to 45 lbs of battery needed to do this
job ,
Steve Clunn
From: "Lawrence Rhodes"
This is what I think is in Gone Postal. Problem. I'm only running
144vdc. GP is at 240. Will I brown out the IOTA with low voltage? It's
also more money. I know some of you are using the 120v version up to
180vdc. What should I get for a 144vdc conversion. Lawrence Rhodes.
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Anyone have any experiences with Sam's club's GC2 Stowaway Golf Cart
batteries?
Price seems right at $46.63
REVgards,
Dennis Merritt
Sacramento
1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
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If memory serves those are the ones I just put in my elec-trak. I also
have a set of 2 3/4 year old ones in my other elec-trak. They are mad
by exide and have performed very well. NO complaints on cost or
performance.
James
On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 08:47 -0700, Dennis Merritt wrote:
> Anyone have any experiences with Sam's club's GC2 Stowaway Golf Cart
> batteries?
> Price seems right at $46.63
>
> REVgards,
>
> Dennis Merritt
> Sacramento
>
> 1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
> 1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
> 1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
>
--
James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Charlotte Country Day School
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James, thanks for that update..... I think that's the way Im going to go.
Need to work on the clutch after I pull the old US2300s out.... Then get
that Escort back on the road.
Thanks much!
REVgards,
Dennis Merritt
Sacramento
1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of James Jarrett
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: SAMS CLUB GC2 STOWAWAY GOLF CART BATTERY
If memory serves those are the ones I just put in my elec-trak. I also have
a set of 2 3/4 year old ones in my other elec-trak. They are mad by exide
and have performed very well. NO complaints on cost or performance.
James
On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 08:47 -0700, Dennis Merritt wrote:
> Anyone have any experiences with Sam's club's GC2 Stowaway Golf Cart
> batteries? Price seems right at $46.63
>
> REVgards,
>
> Dennis Merritt
> Sacramento
>
> 1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
> 1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
> 1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
>
--
James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Charlotte Country Day School
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Wonder if these batterys would work on my s10 conversion ? 144vlt
conversion..
Cwarman
Dennis Merritt wrote:
James, thanks for that update..... I think that's the way Im going to go.
Need to work on the clutch after I pull the old US2300s out.... Then get
that Escort back on the road.
Thanks much!
REVgards,
Dennis Merritt
Sacramento
1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of James Jarrett
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: SAMS CLUB GC2 STOWAWAY GOLF CART BATTERY
If memory serves those are the ones I just put in my elec-trak. I also have
a set of 2 3/4 year old ones in my other elec-trak. They are mad by exide
and have performed very well. NO complaints on cost or performance.
James
On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 08:47 -0700, Dennis Merritt wrote:
Anyone have any experiences with Sam's club's GC2 Stowaway Golf Cart
batteries? Price seems right at $46.63
REVgards,
Dennis Merritt
Sacramento
1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
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On Aug 28, 2005, at 8:30 PM, Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
This is what I think is in Gone Postal. Problem. I'm only running
144vdc. GP is at 240. Will I brown out the IOTA with low voltage?
It's also more money. I know some of you are using the 120v version
up to 180vdc. What should I get for a 144vdc conversion. Lawrence
Rhodes.
Run a 120 volt Iota. The 120 vac unit is (according to Iota) listed to
run from 108 to 132 vac (some resellers list them working on as little
as 92vac.) That is 152 to 187 peak input volts (130 volts peak at
92vac.) The 120 volt version may brown out on a 144 volt EV if its a
simple bridge rectifier and capacitor front end (like the Todd.) These
designs typically operate near the peak AC line voltage (poor power
factor.) According to the specs from iotaengineering it looks like its
power factor is only .65, that looks about like a Todd except they
state that they have low input voltage protection that the Todd lacks.
Paul "neon" G.
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I'm betting they would... I'm going to give it a try!
REVgards,
Dennis Merritt
Sacramento
1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dennis Merritt
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:57 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: SAMS CLUB GC2 STOWAWAY GOLF CART BATTERY
James, thanks for that update..... I think that's the way Im going to go.
Need to work on the clutch after I pull the old US2300s out.... Then get
that Escort back on the road.
Thanks much!
REVgards,
Dennis Merritt
Sacramento
1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of James Jarrett
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: SAMS CLUB GC2 STOWAWAY GOLF CART BATTERY
If memory serves those are the ones I just put in my elec-trak. I also have
a set of 2 3/4 year old ones in my other elec-trak. They are mad by exide
and have performed very well. NO complaints on cost or performance.
James
On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 08:47 -0700, Dennis Merritt wrote:
> Anyone have any experiences with Sam's club's GC2 Stowaway Golf Cart
> batteries? Price seems right at $46.63
>
> REVgards,
>
> Dennis Merritt
> Sacramento
>
> 1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
> 1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
> 1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
>
--
James Jarrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Charlotte Country Day School
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Anybody know the drag coefficient and rolling drag of that Opel? We
could calculate just how fast 5 hp would take you... in reality only a
portion of that hp will not make it to the wheels in such a setup either.
Not only does it brag of 75 mph, inside the article it mentions a 90 mph
top speed. My question is, just how steep of a hill was it going down
at the time?
Danny
Peter VanDerWal wrote:
Larence,
That vehicle has been debunked numerous times. I believe even Mother
Earth printed a statement indicating that they could NOT duplicate the
authors claims.
The controller doesn't work as described, and a 5hp lawnmower engine isn't
anywhere near big enough to power that vehicle at highway speeds.
I doubt it could go 75 miles (at highway speeds) on a gallon of gas an a
full battery pack.
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I have looked at the Sam's golf cart batteries and the deep cycles (105 ah)
they offer, and they seem like good batteries for floodies. I have seriously
considered them in my application due to the reasonable price, but they will
have limitations I won't have with AGM types. The good side is a whole pack
at $50 per battery is cheap enough. A reaonably priced Zivan and you are on
your way. On the losing side, lower current and more maintenance.
The problem with AGM's I see is the scary charging characteristics. Even with
an expensive charger, some people are burning them out before they should. I
don't like having to install $40 regulators on each battery and not have an
assurance they are going to give me 3 years of service.
I am still uncertain myself, but am building battery boxes that will hold
either.
IMHO
Mark Ward
St. Charles, MO
95 Saab 900SE "Saabrina"
www.saabrina.blogspot.com
>
> From: Cwarman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/08/29 Mon PM 12:03:44 EST
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: SAMS CLUB GC2 STOWAWAY GOLF CART BATTERY
>
> Wonder if these batterys would work on my s10 conversion ? 144vlt
> conversion..
>
> Cwarman
>
> Dennis Merritt wrote:
>
> >James, thanks for that update..... I think that's the way Im going to go.
> >Need to work on the clutch after I pull the old US2300s out.... Then get
> >that Escort back on the road.
> >
> >Thanks much!
> >
> >REVgards,
> >
> >Dennis Merritt
> >Sacramento
> >
> >1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
> >1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
> >1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >Behalf Of James Jarrett
> >Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:52 AM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: SAMS CLUB GC2 STOWAWAY GOLF CART BATTERY
> >
> >
> >If memory serves those are the ones I just put in my elec-trak. I also have
> >a set of 2 3/4 year old ones in my other elec-trak. They are mad by exide
> >and have performed very well. NO complaints on cost or performance.
> >
> >James
> >
> >On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 08:47 -0700, Dennis Merritt wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Anyone have any experiences with Sam's club's GC2 Stowaway Golf Cart
> >>batteries? Price seems right at $46.63
> >>
> >>REVgards,
> >>
> >>Dennis Merritt
> >>Sacramento
> >>
> >>1990 Zzipper "WB6UHQ1"
> >>1989 Solar Electric Escort "ELKTRIK"
> >>1969 VW "VOLTWGN"
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
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I think it say 130v on the cover ll look , I know its not the 240 model .
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: IOTA DLS battery chargers for 220 vac / 50 hz.
Steve. Do you have the 110 version or 220 version? LR...........
----- Original Message -----
From: "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:24 PM
Subject: Re: IOTA DLS battery chargers for 220 vac / 50 hz.
I/ve been running mine at 150v and its on when the charger is on , I'm
going up in voltage so I to will have to do somthing , I;ve been thinking
of getting some kind of li -ion batteries for running the lights , the
voltage on 4 cells would be alittle higher than a lead bat which is good
( or I could get 5 cells and have some kind of regulator) , and a 40 ah
would weight just a little more than same as a dc to dc , aaround 12 lbs
. My dc to dc draws 1.5 amps daytime and 2.7 at night . The other reason
fo r doing this is get to know these batteries . Wasn't long ago we
talked about what was better a dc to dc or a extra battery . I could say
that the constanst draw through the day uses 1 to 3 % which if we are
talking about battery weight would be 15 to 45 lbs of battery needed to
do this job ,
Steve Clunn
From: "Lawrence Rhodes"
This is what I think is in Gone Postal. Problem. I'm only running
144vdc. GP is at 240. Will I brown out the IOTA with low voltage? It's
also more money. I know some of you are using the 120v version up to
180vdc. What should I get for a 144vdc conversion. Lawrence Rhodes.
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Lawrence Rhodes wrote:
> Is it normal for a Lestronic I 120vdc/12vdc Model 9776 charger to
> be so loud?
They use a constant-voltage transformer. This type of transformer drives
the iron core into saturation, so the magnetic forces on it are larger.
There is also a deliberate air gap in the core; the large magnetic force
in the core is trying to close that air gap (at the peaks of the AC
line), and releasing its pull (at the zero crossings) 120 times per
second. This makes a noticeable "brrrr" noise.
This noise is normally only 2-3 times louder than a conventional
transformer of the same power, which isn't bad at all. However, the
transformer's vibration can cause other parts to vibrate
sympathetically. For instance, two pieces of the metal case vibrate
against each other, producing a loud buzz. Or the transformer itself can
have loose mounting screws or loose laminations or windings. This is
what usually makes the racket associated with such transformers.
Try picking up a corner of the case, or tipping it on various sides. If
the noise changes, look for loose screws or bent metal pieces. Check the
transformer mounting screws to be sure they are tight. Press on the
windings with a wooden stick and see if they move, or the sound changes.
Transformers are supposed to be dipped in varnish to "glue together" all
their parts to avoid vibration, but they might have done a careless job.
--
*BE* the change that you wish to see in the world.
-- Mahatma Gandhi
--
Lee A. Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeahart_at_earthlink.net
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