EV Digest 4925
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: FWD Hacks?
by "Mark Grasser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: FWD Hacks?
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) RE: Question for Otmar re breaker position (electrically)
by James Massey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) My Solectria Force on eBay
by Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: EVLN(I would like to see plug-in hybrid model as an option)
by Joel Shellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) US Battery vs. Trojan
by "Sean Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: Low rolling resistance tires
by Joel Shellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Question for Otmar re breaker position (electrically)
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Battery appearance; sulfation?
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: FWD Hacks?
by Ryan Stotts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) RE: EV production! Who's interested in figuring out how to make $ at this!
by keith vansickle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Controller schematic.
by "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: EV production! and Sunrise EV, Freedom EV update
by Seth Rothenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: EV production! Who's interested in figuring out how to make $ at this!
by "Don B. Davidson III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: Controller schematic.
by "Don B. Davidson III" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: EV production! Who's interested in figuring out how to make $
at this!
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: "semi" automatic transmission in 96 Aspire listed on EV Trading Post
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Low rolling resistance tires
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Low rolling resistance tires
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Battery appearance; sulfation?
by "Dave & Deb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: New guy on te block
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Charger options
by russco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) ac propulsion ariel atom 1/4 mile et
by "George S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Question for Otmar re breaker position
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: EV production! and Sunrise EV, Freedom EV update
by Osmo Sarin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Curious,
Why is it not ok for the motor to spin if you are flat towing.
I mean othr then the motor spinning at about 5000 rpm and wearig the
brushes. I would think short distances would be ok.
Mark Grasser
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From: "Tim Clevenger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: FWD Hacks?
You also want a shifter in case you need to flat-tow it sometime and want
to get it into neutral.
I like the threaded base idea. Make a little cover that goes over it so
it looks like it doesn't need a shifter.
Tim
On Nov 21, 2005, at 8:53 AM, Electric Vehicle Discussion List wrote:
From: jerry halstead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: November 21, 2005 8:11:04 AM PST
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: FWD Hacks?
On Nov 21, 2005, at 9:27 AM, Don Cameron wrote:
Jerry, I considered the same, although I do find it convenient for
those
rare times to shift it into 1st or 3rd when I go on the highway. Just
for
those rare occasions I left it in.
Imagine if you batteries were low and trying to make it up the last
hill.
You would have to pull over and park, get a tow truck.
That's a good point.
Hmm, maybe I shorten the shifter so there's just a little nub sticking
out of the carpet? Better yet, make the stick shift so it threads into
the base. Unscrew it and keep hidden in the glove box only for
emergencies! ":^)
-Jerry
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Mark wrote:
Curious,
Why is it not ok for the motor to spin if you are flat towing.
I mean othr then the motor spinning at about 5000 rpm and wearig the
brushes. I would think short distances would be ok.
What is the motor is the problem? Say a damaged comm or
brushes. Removing the shifter but leaving the linkage as well as
removing the clutch pedal but not the clutch leaves an easy option to
restore both without rebuilding the car. Personally though I would
leave both in until your sure you can live without them.
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
'95 Solectria Force
Kansas City, Missouri
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My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
Wasting imported oil is not an act of patriotism, conserving it is.
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At 07:48 AM 22/11/05 +1100, I wrote:
Sorry, I must not have been clear:
Ans I realised after that I had not been clear in another way, too. I am
not talking about the *mechanical* position of the breaker, but about the
*electrical* position.
So to re-ask the question, will it upset the Zilla to have the breaker
between the contactor and the Zilla, and does the precharger have to be
across the breaker as well:
Is this OK?
contactor breaker
o--o _/_
--o o------[___]--[Zilla B+]
| |
| |
[pre-]
charger
or should it (is it OK to) be:
contactor breaker
o--o _/_
--o o------[___]--[Zilla B+]
| |
| |
-[pre-charger]-
Sorry for the wasted BW
Thanks
James
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Hi folks,
I have listed my '95 Solectria Force on eBay, if you are interested
you can find it at Item number: 4592073809.
It's a very nice EV but two EVs is too much, especially with only a
one car garage and two ICEs as well. Since I wrapped up my soul in
the Civic conversion, the Force is the one that has to go. Anyway,
if your interested, it is there. You can also see it in the EV Album at:
http://evalbum.com/456.html
Thanks,
Mike Chancey,
'88 Civic EV
'95 Solectria Force
Kansas City, Missouri
EV List Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
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> >printed on the window sticker. A Prius that has an EPA rating of
> >close to 60 mpg in city driving typically gets closer to 40 mpg,
> Personally I get 48 MPG at the *pump* with my 2002 Prius and I
I have to admit that I find it very funny that this hybrid thing is
supposed to help fuel economy so much...
I got 41 mpg with my 95 geo metro and about the same with my 2000
toyota echo. And all they can do is get to 48 mpg with a prius? What's
the point?
Okay, maybe the prius is a bigger or fancier car than those--but it
just seems pretty funny that there wasn't any significant improvement
(~17% improvement from a "revolutionary" new technology is nothing).
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Are the Trojan T-105 and U.S. Battery US-2200 really equivalent (aside
from a small measurement difference). Really, what I'm concerned about is
discharge current, ESR, lifetime, etc.
Thanks,
Sean Taylor
Urbana, IL
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On 11/21/05, Patrick Maston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You are ready the report right, but it is based on ICE cars, which
> waste a lot of energy just sitting there. Electrics are much more
> efficient and overcoming rolling resistance is a larger part of the
> energy consumed by them. So the savings on an EV should be much greater
> than what is stated in the Green report.
I was hoping it would. However, does anyone have a guess at a number?
And if I had an EV sitting here--how much would it likely cost me to
put low rolling resistance tires on it?
Anyone have a link to where I can buy them?
Does it require new wheels, or just new tires? If only new tires,
could I get even more efficiency out of getting new wheels, too?
Anyway, if I can increase range by 10-20% for a few hundred dollars,
that seems to make pretty good sense to me.
Thanks.
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The online manual says "No other accessories should be connected downstream of
the Main contactor", so you want the contactor after the breaker and before the
connection to the zilla B+. I'm in the process of hooking mine up and made sure
of the sequence. Also didn't you get some diodes with the parts? The diode goes
on the contactor, not the precharger. As I understand it the precharger is
built into the zilla itself.
The breaker does not need a precharger, it is there in case of an emergency -
like stopping a runaway motor or in case of normal maintenance when you don't
want the pack voltage in the circuit, at least that is my understanding.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "James Massey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:29 PM
Subject: RE: Question for Otmar re breaker position (electrically)
> At 07:48 AM 22/11/05 +1100, I wrote:
>>Sorry, I must not have been clear:
>
> Ans I realised after that I had not been clear in another way, too. I am
> not talking about the *mechanical* position of the breaker, but about the
> *electrical* position.
>
> So to re-ask the question, will it upset the Zilla to have the breaker
> between the contactor and the Zilla, and does the precharger have to be
> across the breaker as well:
>
> Is this OK?
> contactor breaker
> o--o _/_
> --o o------[___]--[Zilla B+]
> | |
> | |
> [pre-]
> charger
>
>
> or should it (is it OK to) be:
>
> contactor breaker
> o--o _/_
> --o o------[___]--[Zilla B+]
> | |
> | |
> -[pre-charger]-
>
> Sorry for the wasted BW
>
> Thanks
>
> James
>
>
>
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Hi All,
I'm trying to figure out whether what I'm seeing is
nice clean spongy lead, or if I have serious,
irreversible sulfation.
As I look down the cell, I see what appear to be
like cardboard (separators, I assume), interspersed
with whitish/silver metal. Would you estimate that to
be sulfation, or active material?
Either I've murdered my pack of floodies with
insufficient equalization, or one cell is bad (SG not
going past 2.245.
SG is 1.265, and voltage is 8.45 on most every cell.
Thanks,
'92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V (video or DVD available)!
www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html
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Are you saving any gas for your kids?
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Mark Grasser wrote:
> Why is it not ok for the motor to spin if you are flat towing.
If you leave the car in first gear and tow it on the highway...
What's your second gear top out at? If you exceed that while towing,
the motor will explode.
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Bradley GT was a kit that went into production gas and
ev.
still a few of them around
kEVs
Stefan T. Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > What I find interesting, is that there is no
> precedence for this in the
> > automotive market. Does anyone know of a kit-car
> company that turned
> > production? I wonder why we do not see more of
> this?
>
>
> Well, if you want to count motorbikes, there is
> "Whizzer Motorbike",
> selling it's first kit in 1939, and still in
> production today (with kits
> and complete motorbikes)
>
> http://www.whizzermotorbike.com
>
> Same basic designs from way back then as well...
> talk about "no yearly
> models"!
>
> I seem to be one of the more traditional
> gear-head/car-nuts around here,
> and ever since I was a kid I've always loved to read
> up and learn about
> the history of various cars and the companies behind
> them, so here goes
> nothing:
>
> The historical pattern for most small (and some
> large) automobile
> companies and divisions has typically been:
> Racing->Custom Production (+
> maybe Kit Car)->Full Production. Prototypes were
> made strictly for
> racing teams from garages/small factories, and if
> they won, it attracted
> money, which allowed the companies to adapt the
> racing designs to
> street-legal cars and start limited production.
> Typically the "Kit Car"
> was done as a response to being unable to meet
> current production
> demands (I ain't got time to build it, let 'em do it
> themselves)... many
> companies end up languishing in this phase
> permanently until the
> founder(s) eventually dies and all the
> plans/toolings get sold off along
> with the various trademarks/patents. :(
>
> But just because that is how it's usually BEEN done,
> doesn't mean that
> is the way it HAS to be done.
>
> Hey, we are talking about a whole new KIND of car,
> which may end up
> taking a whole new approach of getting it into
> production.
>
> --
>
> Stefan T. Peters
>
>
__________________________________
Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page!
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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Okay here goes..
I am trying to convert my car to electric. I have many components they
are as follows;
1) Batteries- BB600 Thanks Hump!
2) Motor- Separately Excited GE fork truck motor from a scrapped truck.
3) Battery Charger- still to be decided but a pfc-20 looks like the best
option.
4) Motor Controller- MY BIGGEST HURDLE. I have the matching controller
for the motor I took from the scrapped lift truck, but it is only 48
volts. I understand this controller is available in an 80 volt version
in europe (I'm in PA).
I have been talking to some very knowledgeable people about
modifying this controller to work at a higher voltage but ... and there
is always a but. They are asking for a schematic of the internal
circuitry to study to help me make a decision and modify this unit. I
have tried to draw a schematic but it gets too complicated in what I
will call the brain section . Is there anybody out there who might be
able to point me in the direction of a schematic for a GE SX-600 controller.
Thanks in advance.
Mike G.
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With regard to the discussions about purpose built vs converted,
has anyone looked at halfway in between?
I mean, can you call up {Big Detroit Car Company} or for that matter
{Now-Bigger-than-bankrupt-GM Japanese Car Company} and say
"I want 1,000 {insert car type} without the engine...
or all that wiring...."
Hold the Pickles, Hold the Lettuce, even the Burger,
I just want that Sesame Seed Bun - and the foil paper...
That Bun that already has DOT, NHTSA, CTDA (crashtestdummiesadministration),
and aaa approval. It may sound almost out of left field,
but I know there are companies that are selling custom cars,
and they are using "stock" vehicles as the basis.
I dunno, would a company like GM think they could make
a couple $ with a customer like that?
Not an Avis but not Joe Q Public either...
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Check out my website: www.spaces.msn.com/members/dbd3
Lots of info on Bradley GTElectric & Jet Industries Electravan production
EV's
Don
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From: "keith vansickle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: EV production! Who's interested in figuring out how to make $
at this!
> Bradley GT was a kit that went into production gas and
> ev.
> still a few of them around
> kEVs
>
> Stefan T. Peters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > > What I find interesting, is that there is no
> > precedence for this in the
> > > automotive market. Does anyone know of a kit-car
> > company that turned
> > > production? I wonder why we do not see more of
> > this?
> >
> >
> > Well, if you want to count motorbikes, there is
> > "Whizzer Motorbike",
> > selling it's first kit in 1939, and still in
> > production today (with kits
> > and complete motorbikes)
> >
> > http://www.whizzermotorbike.com
> >
> > Same basic designs from way back then as well...
> > talk about "no yearly
> > models"!
> >
> > I seem to be one of the more traditional
> > gear-head/car-nuts around here,
> > and ever since I was a kid I've always loved to read
> > up and learn about
> > the history of various cars and the companies behind
> > them, so here goes
> > nothing:
> >
> > The historical pattern for most small (and some
> > large) automobile
> > companies and divisions has typically been:
> > Racing->Custom Production (+
> > maybe Kit Car)->Full Production. Prototypes were
> > made strictly for
> > racing teams from garages/small factories, and if
> > they won, it attracted
> > money, which allowed the companies to adapt the
> > racing designs to
> > street-legal cars and start limited production.
> > Typically the "Kit Car"
> > was done as a response to being unable to meet
> > current production
> > demands (I ain't got time to build it, let 'em do it
> > themselves)... many
> > companies end up languishing in this phase
> > permanently until the
> > founder(s) eventually dies and all the
> > plans/toolings get sold off along
> > with the various trademarks/patents. :(
> >
> > But just because that is how it's usually BEEN done,
> > doesn't mean that
> > is the way it HAS to be done.
> >
> > Hey, we are talking about a whole new KIND of car,
> > which may end up
> > taking a whole new approach of getting it into
> > production.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Stefan T. Peters
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page!
> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
>
>
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Go to www.electroautomotive.com They have new Curtis Controllers that work
from 96-144 volts
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "M.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:26 PM
Subject: Controller schematic.
> Okay here goes..
>
> I am trying to convert my car to electric. I have many components they
> are as follows;
> 1) Batteries- BB600 Thanks Hump!
> 2) Motor- Separately Excited GE fork truck motor from a scrapped truck.
> 3) Battery Charger- still to be decided but a pfc-20 looks like the best
> option.
> 4) Motor Controller- MY BIGGEST HURDLE. I have the matching controller
> for the motor I took from the scrapped lift truck, but it is only 48
> volts. I understand this controller is available in an 80 volt version
> in europe (I'm in PA).
> I have been talking to some very knowledgeable people about
> modifying this controller to work at a higher voltage but ... and there
> is always a but. They are asking for a schematic of the internal
> circuitry to study to help me make a decision and modify this unit. I
> have tried to draw a schematic but it gets too complicated in what I
> will call the brain section . Is there anybody out there who might be
> able to point me in the direction of a schematic for a GE SX-600
controller.
> Thanks in advance.
> Mike G.
>
>
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Batteries from the bottom was for safety or perception of safety but
point is well taken and NONE of this is set in stone.
I will call you about motor construction. (when it isn't midnight
florida time)
I dissagree with you on the computer. But I am a computer person so I
may be just a little biased. But I think it is really just a matter of
perspective, Just like you toute the advantages of using air which
consolidates the jack into the project, The computer consoladates
wireing and sensors, and functionality and is itself modular to some
extend with I/O boards, although the more internal connectors, the
higher the risk of failure.
The wireless is essentually free, as is the mp3 player and are really
all just features of the User Interface Even the radio is a radio card.
This is also For displaying the additional information an EV will have.
It makes the dash a matter of software. Once the charger and BMS and
controller can send info out on the buss the user interface computer
can display it anyway you like.
take a look at some of this!
http://www.dashwerks.com/pictures/index.php
all the diagnostic, door lock, radio and mp3,gps,telemetry, and a movie
for the kids to boot. 1/2 done already !
It will be a 2 computer environment, 1 is the time critical system and
the other is everything else, but some info is shared accross a common bus.
It makes adding a button or control for new things just a matter of
software. One problem is touch screens suck to use while you drive, so
good tactile buttons are needed and I don't know if modal functionality
would be acceptable. (Like my stereo. 1 up and 1 down button then a mode
switch from vol to bal to fader to treble and back to volume)
think PC's or PLC's
It is also a 2 screen environment. 1 screen is in the dash pod, a user
may never know it is a screen. The other is in the center console
Taking a page from the SCION which I think got the idea from the instant
messenger and mp3 programs out there, the dash is "skinable"
I can load the digital gauges or the bargraph or the antique or white
face or VDO themes. You want a pink background, design it on your
desktop and downloaded it via wireless. GPS, weather reports, where do i
get a pizza in this town....
The lightweight motor controller conncts to up to two dumb power units.
(like zilla and hairball) no added electronics if the consumer adds a
second motor, only added power electronics.
HID bulbs was the goal, Since the circutry for HID takes 12V and
converts it up to about 100V for run and ~5000V for strike, why convert
down to 12 then back up? Electroluminescent rear is also a high voltage
thing LED's are such low voltage that series strings are required
anyway, lotsa options.
If the same dc-dc also provides 120V ac we sell the 110V outlet feature
while we also use smaller lighter AC blower motors. :-)
Air springs, And I work for a company that makes them. LOL
Well, I don't know about tuning them, I really don't want to add
another stressed part, the air compressor and another sensor and seithc
and 12V? load.
Balance that with a jack and it is something to think about.
Mechanical Springs are the epidomy of KISS.
I really think the some of the kiosks at the major malls should be in
place before the release date in towns where the dealerships are.
Consider it the last piece of the marketing puzzle.
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I'm the only person to do an Aspire as far as I know. I will say that at
144vdc you hardly need a transmission as the car can do 30mph in first. 50
in second. There is plenty of room under the back seat for batteries once
you take out the fuel tank. I've enjoyed mine. I hope to get it on the
road soon. Lawrence Rhodes...
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 3:08 AM
Subject: "semi" automatic transmission in 96 Aspire listed on EV Trading
Post
Last night I noticed someone selling a 96 Aspire EV project on the EV
Trading
Post (somewhat local to my area, but no one that I know). He says that it
has an automatic transmission that is manually shifted. That is an idea
that I
proposed about a month ago when someone was looking for a clutchless
transmission. The car is incomplete, so who knows how well it may or may
not work.
Does anyone have any experience with doing this. It is simply the
mechanical
gearbox out of the automatic with the torque converter removed. Since
this
is how I proposed to build my vehicle, and it looks like someone has
already
done the work, I am very interested in how they accomplished it and if
anyone
else has done the same. Also, I am interested in any opinions on if it
will
work or not, and if it has to be idled or not. I am still waiting to hear
back
from the owner, and I will post any further details if I get them.
By the way, the price is right on the project, and it is over here in the
Southeast, quite a rarity as far as finding a vehicle (actually incomplete
project) in this area.
Thanks,
Steve
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The problem is the Courier is a 6 lug 14 inch rim. It's lookin like I'm
going with the Bridgestone. It has enough capacity to do the job.
LR.........
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From: "Patrick Maston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Low rolling resistance tires
Lawrence, have you seen this report?
http://www.greenseal.org/recommendations/CGR_tire_rollingresistance.pdf
It lists at least one Light Truck tire, the Michelin XPS rib.
Patrick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/17/05 9:04:04 PM >>>
So if heavy sidewalls are out looks like LT's are out. They are
heavily
built. I could get Hercules tires 14" LT's. The only small truck LT
made(85psi) or a set of Potenza's. There are a few others but I am
still
trolling for the right tire. I'd like to see someone's data to support
my
tire choice. 14inch 185's 25.5 inch diameter. I just looked at the
Hercules site and it seems they dropped their 14 inch LT line.
Lawrence
Rhodes.......Still looking..........
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I was just at a cycle shop and my Lectra takes a Dunlop 180 12 inch. I saw
some Yokahama that had hard and soft compounds. I bet the hard would get
better range. Lawrence Rhodes.......
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From: "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Low rolling resistance tires
Right !
On our scooter we have seen near 20% more range using special LRR tires
(1992 Dunlop K888 10") inflated at right value (3.2PSI)
big improvement though lighter and cheaper than lead...
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "Joel Shellman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: Low rolling resistance tires
On 11/21/05, Patrick Maston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lawrence, have you seen this report?
>
> http://www.greenseal.org/recommendations/CGR_tire_rollingresistance.pdf
Am I reading that right? Low rolling resistance tires will get you at
most 4.5% increase in efficiency? Does that translate directly in that
if your EV has a 100 mile range, with the low rolling resistance
tires, it'll get 105 or so?
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my local battery manufacturer showed me that you can tell battery
sulfation just by looking at the OUTSIDE. if the battery is bulging on
the ends and firm (no give when you press on it) and/or shows signs of
swelling around the + terminal post (look for a stress line circling the
post) the battery is sulfated and it's time to recycle it.
Dave
> Hi All,
> I'm trying to figure out whether what I'm seeing is
> nice clean spongy lead, or if I have serious,
> irreversible sulfation.
> As I look down the cell, I see what appear to be
> like cardboard (separators, I assume), interspersed
> with whitish/silver metal. Would you estimate that to
> be sulfation, or active material?
> Either I've murdered my pack of floodies with
> insufficient equalization, or one cell is bad (SG not
> going past 2.245.
> SG is 1.265, and voltage is 8.45 on most every cell.
> Thanks,
>
> '92 Honda Civic sedan, 144V (video or DVD available)!
> www.budget.net/~bbath/CivicWithACord.html
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> Would you still drive your car if the tailpipe came out of the steering
> wheel? Are you saving any gas for your kids?
>
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On 20 Nov 2005 at 18:37, Don Davidson wrote:
> Brakes are a concern as I have to
> go back down that same very steep hill.
This is a case where regen would REALLY be welcome. Regrettably, the
ElectraVan was originally fitted with a series motor.
Victor, ever put one of these Siemens drives in a Jet van?
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Fortunat Mueller wrote:
Hi all,
Can anyone point me to a charger. My criteria are :
-needs to be able to charge a 240 V pack (so up to
nearly 300 VDC)
-runs off either 110 or 220.
-less than $1k
-don't care about the power that much since i charge
over night anyway
-doesn't need a lot of smarts, but should atleast have
voltage and current adjustments.
does anyone have charger reccomendations ?
The RUSSCO SC50-240, 5000 watt, will charge your 240 volt pack without a
boost transformer. Cost is $995 FOB Factory.
For more information, see:
http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=168&product_id=1629
Russ Kaufmann, RUSSCO Engineering
The Other PFC Charger With GFCI
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The latest car using ACP's drivetrain
http://www.energynext.org/
http://www.wrightspeed.net/pages/1/index.htm
"11.08.05 - On the dragstrip today at Infineon Raceway, there was an event
that would make a good story in Autoweek. It was all shot on HD video for
James Fox's upcoming documentary. Ian Wright's new WrightSpeed EV, using an
AC Propulsion drivesystem, devoured a well-driven Ferrari 360 taking 3 of 3
sprints, including a 1/4-mile clocked at 11.95. That was just the warmup.
For the main event, the EV lunched heavily on a Porsche Carrera GT, again
taking 3 of 3. Wright's car had about 10 miles on it when he showed up, so
there was some uncertainty about the outcome of the race with the Porsche.
There needn't have been. > Tom Gage, AC Propulsion"
http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=4122234&nav=5D7lBwNh
http://www.arielmotor.co.uk/04/frames.htm
George S.
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On Nov 21, 2005, at 12:48 PM, James Massey wrote:
I am often horrified by what I see as the risks that people take when
building EVs. For example, in my vehicle there will be NOWHERE that a
HV terminal or conductor can be touched without removing a cover that
needs a tool to get off, nowhere, period.
That's no fun. I can reach under the drivers seat while driving and
grab a battery post.
Are you sure I won't be able to crawl under your vehicle and grab a
motor terminal after just pushing back a rubber cover?
Paul "neon" G.
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Did you know Elcat makes very much similar looking ev´s in Finland?
http://www.elcat.fi/eng/index.html
Osmo Sarin
20.11.2005 kello 21:06, Don B. Davidson III kirjoitti:
If you are considering a practical mass produced EV, look into the
history
of Jet Industries Electravan manufactured from 1979-1983 based on a
Subaru
600 microvan. Plenty of room for 4 passengers and or lots of cargo.
See my
websites for images: www.spaces.msn.com/members/dbd3
http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/662.html
Plenty of owners across the US maintaining this vehicle. Very active DL
supporting the Electravan. The facility was located in Austin, TX that
converted the Subaru 600 to an EV. The owner sold in 1983 to a con
artist
who ran the business into the ground and was also arrested. The idea
is
practical. The only impractical component in EV's generally speaking
is the
batteries. Heavy, bulky and must add water regularly. I was involved
with
EV's back in the 1980's and in my opinion, there has been little if any
improvement in lead acid wet cell battery technology in the past 30
years
:-(
Don Davidson
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From: "jerry dycus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: EV production! and Sunrise EV, Freedom EV update
Hi Bob, Jeff and All,
Bob Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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From: "Jeff Shanab"
I think AC propulsion aimed a little to high. Most people see them as
making the t-zero as there product.
an 80K sportscar 2 seater is already a very slim market. I am
thinking
a much more modest 2+2 sedan of which I think there is a market iff
you
can hit the price point.
Tropica, another 2 seater open top sports car. Personally what I want
but NOT the way to start a car company.
Tango.... see a pattern?
Hi Jeff;
Yes I see your point and pattern.
I agree. I studied all the EV companies to see what
worked and
what didn't the above became obvious amoung many other points. That
and they
all started too big instead of small and grown from there.
If we commit ourselfs to being a car company like existing car
companies
then I may have to agree with john, but going electric and composite
opens up possibilities. Think Solectria Sunrise. Great name,great
chassis why didn't that flourish? well I never heard of it untill
after
it was gone. Hopefully jerry can ressurect that.
Several years ago the Sunrise had it's 15 minutes of fame, gees! Was
it THAT long, like my writeup in my local paper.It made the front of
the
Metro or Biz section of the NY Times, you know? "All the news that
Fits We
Print"Forgotten, except to us EVers. Sunrise stomped all the other
homegrown
stuff at the Tour De Sol, and was forgotten. Sigh! Nobody with deep
pockets
stepped up to the plate and but some bux behind it.
Fast forward to today, with Solectria merged away, Jame's dream of
seeing Sunrise go into production about died. We are his sorta last
hope
to
see the car get EVen linited production. Hence the feeding frenzy on
E Bey
to buy the shell that we did. We have been passed the torch, so to
speak.I
have a few thousand bux into this as well as several guyz here, ya
know
who
you are. I thank you, as we're all into it now.Thank you all for the
support
for my(Our) dream of a production EV.
Yes, without your support Bob and others, getting EV's
into
production would still be several yrs away! Thanks to all of you!!
My design aim is $12k to $15k 2+2 hatchback variation that can
accept 1
or 2 powerpacks(motor and controller), 1 or 2 batterypacks. and is
the
cheapest car to insure. This is an important point for makeing a
daily
driver.
You can add a second power pack in hours and a second battery in
minutes. It has a few other special features.
A page right out of Jerry's Plan. Perhaps a 2 seater, I mean BACK seat
can be added in a stretched Freedom, 4 wheels for a Basic , bare bones
small
car.
The main market for my Freedom EV is EVer's, commuters,
seniors, college students, women where a 2 seater is the way to go.
Regretfully with the federal regulations it limits new manufactures to
the 3
wh configuration for start ups at a reasonable cost.. This also
precludes 4
seats though an extra child seat or 2 is possible.
But if you look at demographics, 2 seaters match them much
better now days with the smaller households, higher energy prices. And
women
love them !!.
You don't need a EV to fit everyone, just to fill a market.
Just the market for them here in Fla will take me yrs to fill, if ever.
With the 25+ million vehicle market/ yr in the US, you only need a
sliver of
it to be successful.
It can handle 2 adults and 2 children and maybe a baby seat between
the
2 kids.
The Sunrise follow on, probably to be called the Freedom 4
EV,
will have seating for 5-6 due to it's width but can only be sold as an
almost finished kit with the buyer installing, or having installed, the
batts and motor to satify the fed regs. Bringing a 4wh EV to fed rules
would
cost over $5 million so not going to happen anytime soon by me.
The same chassis could be used for a Mini van, SUV, Pickup,
Van.
No shipping finished cars around the country
Approved dealers must have service bays, so they are trained and they
assemble, on site, to order.
this franchise model can be a 2 man or a 20 man operation when there
are no orders they pre assemble the most complicated part, the dash.
Jerry's plan, to be able to ship out the molds and basic stuff ya need
to produce cars, any handy, roomy ,industrial bldg will do.
Yes as my composite designs are inherently low production
of
about 4,000/yr per factory, many small factories will be needed around
the
country to build the required number for the market which is probably
well
over 100,000/yr if built for a reasonable price. And at $13k each,
there is
a large profit built into them as I've designed out the labor, parts
count,
weight, costs out of it..
How I'll do that is franchise them and sell factories in a
box,
actually a 40' shipping container with everything to start building
EV's
including training. This I hope will lead to many small companies
building
EV's which will slowly diverge making many different EV's for a broader
selection.
I don't think a single actor has enough funds to start a car company,
but if they wanted to quit their day job might have enough clout to
get
investors attention. Probably best to hire the actor as your
spokeperson putting them on the "board"
In our case ANY actor that can afford a hummer, The Governator comes
to mind!Would send Jerry a check for WHAT that #$%^ Hummer cost, we'd
be
on our way, faster!
That would be nice not having to nickle and dime on
everything. But if you wait for that, you, I may never get EV's into
production. So I designed my Freedom EV to be put into production for
the
least amount of money possible and be sucessful which looks like the
way to
go. Not easy, takes longer, but more likely.
Though, not there haven't been setbacks like this week
where
the chassis mold tooling turned out being a few inches different from
the
body tooling, thus having to redesign, rebuild the chassis tooling
some.
But these things are normal and you just deal with it and keep on
going.
Regretfully it has set me back a week.
It will be finished, ready for it's coming out party at the
Fla
EAA races in January though.
the 2 hardest things, coming up with a company name, and crash
testing
regulations. I could use help with both.
Better, cheaper is just go around them by building an
almost
finished EV kit, just like the kitcar, aircraft companies do. Start
up that
way until you can finance the fed reg compliance. The good way to get
started is finding the path of least resistance.
One could get an exemption like Panoz has for limited
production for a few yrs at least for turn key EV's..
So could we, I think Jerry has set up a LLC for now? Jerry? Got yur
ears
on?
I think " Freedom" is a go, although somebody else may own that?
No they can't use Freedom EV as I've been using it for yrs
and
any web search will pop that up. My company is called Gerald Dycus
Enterprises though, Freedom EV is the model name.
Sunrise? well we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
The priority is the Freedom EV though would entertain
proposals
on the Sunrise to get it into production faster. I'm for getting EV's
into
production much more than anything else so whatever it takes, I'm for.
I just wanted to make sure the Sunrise was saved as it's
about
the best EV ever built. If I build it or someone else makes no
difference to
me. I do have the body, chassis to make production molds from and all
the
info, parts numbers, expertise, needed to do that.
But it's going to take $50-100k that I don't have for
quite a
while. I would be happy to put it into production for someone else ,
building the tooling, setting up, starting the production line if
someone
was interested.
Thanks,
Jerry Dycus
Seeya
Bob
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