EV Digest 5106
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Fluke Fluky?
by Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: NEDRA Charter
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Hi-Torque Motors
by "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) RE: NEDRA Charter
by "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Hi-Torque Motors
by "Chris Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: motor & controller formulae book
by Doug Weathers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) RE: Stripped Terminal
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Battery Beach Burnout and , Who an' Where?
by "ProEV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) RE: MOTOR INSTALLED Alaska Update
by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dana Havranek)
10) RE: Stripped Terminal
by "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: the old NEDRA Charter
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: chevy astro conversion?
by lee parrish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Hi-Torque Motors
by paul wiley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: chevy astro conversion?
by Ricky Suiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: chevy astro conversion?
by David Dymaxion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) RE: NEDRA Charter Violation
by "David Roden (Akron OH USA)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) RE: Hi-Torque Motors
by "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Typically, the 77s get weird readings when the battery is low, and are
otherwise pretty stable, in my experience. Also, many things have a
voltage floating on them from either galvanic effect of differential
metals, or induced from AC fields. Heck, if you put a o-scope probe on
your finger, you'll see a 60hz waveform that will increase if you grab a
power cord.
Bill Dennis wrote:
As Jimmy Stewart said in "It's a Wonderful Life," -- "Somebody's off his
nut!" Here's the situation. Last night I had a circuit in the kitchen go
dead, so I poked around with my Fluke 77 in AC mode, and even after I
disconnected wires from the receptacle and turned off the main circuit
breaker, I was reading 3 volts or so between hot and neutral, so I figured I
had a ground fault that was tripping the GFI. I took the countertop apart
to look at the wires in the wall (island), but couldn't find any problem.
So then I just replaced the GFI and, voila!, everything worked. So why was
the Fluke reading 3V AC?
Then tonight, I finally got all the TS cells hooked up in my conversion. JI
measured if there was any voltage between the pack and the chassis. To my
surprise, there was: about 1.25V. I went from cell to cell, measuring
between it and the chassis. Each reading was around .05V less than the
previous cell. Finally I came to a cell in the back of the car that read 0V
between itself and the chassis. But I've looked and looked, and there is no
way that anything from that cell is touching the body of the car.
Any ideas what's happening?
Thanks.
Bill Dennis
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn Waggoner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: NEDRA Charter
Roger,
A well thought-out post. As far the question on the Charter, here is what
the Charter says below) sorry it didn't copy well from Word):
NEDRA Charter
Last Updated 8/2/98
1. NEDRA Membership and Voting
The National Electric Drag Racing Association (hereafter NEDRA) has
membership open to all persons. Corporate memberships are also available.
Membership categories and fees are determined by the Membership Director,
subject to majority approval of the Executive Board (defined below).
Each NEDRA member receives one vote in all elections. Each corporation
that
is a member of NEDRA receives exactly one vote, regardless of the number
of
memberships the corporation may hold.
2. NEDRA Officers and Executive Board
NEDRA officer positions are volunteer positions. All NEDRA officers must
be
NEDRA members with their membership paid in full throughout their time of
service as a NEDRA officer. If an officer's membership lapses for more
than
thirty days, then that officer will no longer hold that position.
2.1. NEDRA Officers
2.1.1. President
The President oversees and coordinates all NEDRA operations, through the
NEDRA Executive Board. The president makes appointments to national
director positions, subject to majority approval of the Executive Board.
The president may create temporary appointed positions as necessary. The
president may fill vacancies in the NEDRA board by appointment, subject to
approval of a majority of the remaining board.
2.1.2. Vice President
The Vice President becomes president in the event that the presidency
becomes vacant.
2.1.3. Membership Director
The Membership Director keeps and maintains all membership records and
information. The Membership Director is responsible for disseminating
ballot proxies, membership cards, and benefits information to the members.
The Membership Director is responsible for providing a current list of
NEDRA
members to all sanctioned NEDRA events and to the Public Relations
Director
for member mailings. The Membership Director also defines the various
membership categories and membership fees, subject to approval by a
majority
of the executive board.
2.1.4. National Technical Director
The National Technical Director is in charge of establishing and updating
the NEDRA safety rules, including definitions of vehicle classes, voltage
divisions, and safety requirements. The national technical director also
oversees the safety inspections for all NEDRA events.
2.1.5. Treasurer
The Treasurer is responsible for all bookkeeping and accounting for NEDRA.
At the end of each calendar year, the treasurer must produce a financial
report for that year, showing income and expenditures. This report must
be
made available to the executive board and to NEDRA members upon request.
A
budget for the upcoming year must also be submitted and approved by the
executive board, as described below.
2.1.6. Public Relations Director
The Public Relations Director is responsible for coordinating the support
and maintenance of the NEDRA web page. The public relations director also
coordinates publication of a NEDRA newsletter. The public relations
officer
also keeps and maintains official NEDRA records and publishes the list of
record holders.
2.1.7. Merchandise Director
The Merchandise Director is responsible for coordinating the creation and
sales of NEDRA merchandise, such as race videos, posters, and apparel.
2.2. Election of Officers
The President and Vice President positions are elected positions. The
term
of office is two years, beginning January 1, 2000. Elections will be held
by ballot after July 1st and before September 30th of the preceding year.
Nominations must be announced to all NEDRA members, and the period for
open
nominations must last at least thirty days. If there is an event
scheduled,
voting may be done at that event, as long as each NEDRA member gets
exactly
one vote (as described in Section 1). NEDRA members not at that event
must
be mailed a ballot and given at least thirty days to return a completed
ballot. In order to vote, a person or corporation must have a valid NEDRA
membership on the day that voting starts.
A person may only run for one position, either president or vice
president.
The person in each category with the most votes will be elected to that
position. In the case of a tie, a run-off election will be held between
the
top two vote-getters for that position.
There is no limit to the number of terms a person can hold.
Once a president and vice president have been chosen, the other executive
board positions will be filled by appointment. These positions are also
two-year positions, beginning at the same time that the president and vice
president take office.
2.3. Removal of Officers
Any officer on the executive board, including the president and the vice
president, may be removed from office based on abuse of office or
inability
to perform the duties of the position. The removal from office can be
brought about in two ways.
The first way an officer can be removed is by the executive board. Any
officer of the executive board may request that an officer be removed from
office. Such a request must be presented to all other members of the
executive board, including the officer whose removal is sought. No vote
can
be taken for at least 24 hours after the initial request for removal. In
addition, no vote can be taken until the officer whose removal is sought
has
a chance to respond to the board as a whole, or thirty days has passed
from
the officer's receipt of the notice to be removed, whichever comes first.
A
vote of removal by the executive board requires a two-thirds majority vote
of the remaining executive board.
The second way an officer can be removed is by the NEDRA membership as a
whole. In order for a request for removal to come from the NEDRA
membership, a petition signed by at least 10% of the current NEDRA members
must be presented to the executive board. If a NEDRA member wishes to
circulate such a petition, the NEDRA board must provide either the
membership list (with addresses) or offer to send out the petition itself,
but in either case, the expense is borne by the individual initiating the
petition. Once such a petition signed by at least 10% of the current
NEDRA
membership is received by the executive board, the officer whose removal
is
sought must be given an opportunity to rebut any accusations made. A
ballot
with both the accusations and the rebuttal will then be sent to the NEDRA
membership as a whole (at NEDRA's expense). Thirty days after the mailing
goes out, if two thirds or more of the votes received are for removal,
then
the officer is removed from office immediately.
2.4. NEDRA Executive Board
The NEDRA Executive Board is comprised of the President, the Vice
President,
the Membership Director, the National Technical Director, the Treasurer,
the
Public Relations Director, and the Merchandise Director. All other
officers, including temporary appointments made by the President, are
considered non-voting members of the board (and are not counted as board
members for the purposes of establishing a quorum or majority).
In order for the NEDRA Executive Board to do business as NEDRA (e.g.
approve
a budget, remove an officer, etc.), a quorum shall consist of two-thirds
of
the members of the Executive Board, and must consist of either the
President
or the Vice President.
2.5. Filling of a Vacancy
If an appointed position becomes vacant, the president may appoint,
subject
to approval of a majority of the rest of the executive board, a
replacement
to finish the term. If the presidency becomes vacant, the vice president
becomes president. If the vice presidency becomes vacant, (including the
case in which the vice president becomes president after a vacancy in the
presidency), a special election will be held to replace the vice president
if there is more than one year left in the term, otherwise, it is left to
the discretion of the executive board (either to call a special election
to
fill the vacancy or to leave the office vacant until the next regular
election).
3. NEDRA Rules
The National Technical Director is in charge of establishing and updating
the NEDRA safety rules, including definitions of vehicle classes, voltage
divisions, and safety requirements. Any change to the NEDRA rules must be
approved by a majority of the executive board and the National Technical
Director. Once a rule change has been approved by the executive board,
the
text of the rule change must be sent to the NEDRA membership. The new
rules
take effect thirty days after such notification is made or at a later date
if specified in the rule change.
4. NEDRA Budget
At the end of each calendar year, the treasurer will oversee the creation
of
a financial report for that year and a proposed budget for the following
year. The financial report must show income and expenditures, either
itemized or by category, and must be distributed to each of the members of
the executive board and to any NEDRA member who requests a copy. The
proposed budget should show projected income and expenses, and should
allocate money for specific uses, such as advertising or track fees.
Each budgetary item may be assigned to one of the executive board members.
This means that the assigned board member may spend that money for its
designated use without additional approval by the executive board. All
money budgeted but not assigned to a board member can be spent only upon
approval of a majority of the executive board. Any expenditures over 10%
or
$100 (whichever is smaller) of the budgeted amount in a category must be
approved by a majority of. the executive board. The budget for the year
must be approved by a majority of the executive board by the end of the
previous year.
In an election year, the outgoing treasurer will oversee the financial
report for that year, but the budget will drawn up by the incoming
treasurer
and approved by the incoming executive board.
5. Requirements for a NEDRA Sanctioned Event
One important role of NEDRA is to sanction electric drag racing events.
To
sanction such an event, a majority of the executive board must approve
sanctioning the event. Also, the National Technical Director must
designate
a Event Safety Inspector (possibly the National Technical Director
himself/herself) to be present at the event to conduct safety inspections
and qualify vehicles for racing. All decisions made by the Event Safety
Inspector at the time of the event are final, and no appeals to the
National
Technical Director (if different than the Event Safety Inspector) are
allowed.
6. Amendments to the NEDRA Charter
In order to amend this charter, a proposed amendment must be submitted to
all NEDRA members in writing. This can only be done through the NEDRA
executive board. If a proposed amendment is accepted by the NEDRA
executive
board, the executive board may choose to have NEDRA pay the costs of
printing and mailing of ballots. If a proposed amendment is not supported
by a majority of the NEDRA executive board, the ballots could still go out
if an individual or corporate member of NEDRA chooses to accept the of
printing and mailing of ballots.
There are two ways for an amendment to pass. The first is for it to
receive
a positive vote from a two-thirds majority of the total NEDRA membership.
The second is for it to receive a two-thirds majority of all the ballots
cast after thirty days after having been sent out. That is, after being
sent
out, the number of ballots returned during the next thirty days are
totaled,
and a two-thirds majority of that number is sufficient to approve the
amendment. If, during the course of the thirty days, the number of
affirmative votes exceeds two-thirds of the total number of NEDRA members,
the amendment is passed immediately.
All amendments take effect thirty days after approval, or at a later date
if
so specified by the amendment.
Members who join NEDRA more than one day after ballots for a proposed
amendment have already been issued are not allowed to vote on that
amendment
and are not counted in the total number of NEDRA membership.
Thanks,
Shawn Waggoner
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Roger Stockton
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: NEDRA Charter Violation (was: Battery Beach Burnout and NEDRA
Class Def)
...
This seems like a valid concern, and it has not been addressed: can a
NEDRA representative please confirm what *precisely* the NEDRA charter
says about the process for vetting new rules/rule changes?
...
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Hi Jim and All,
We finally got pictures of the new bike "Orange Crush" with your motor in it
today...Matt Graham should have it up on the Battery Beach Website later
tonight.
For everyone else, Jim made a motor for us called Tiny Tim to put in one of
our pocket bikes as joint SEVO and Hi-Torque project. The motor was super
high RPM and ran wonderfully. For a road course race for pocket bikes it
would be great. However, it just didn't pull enough amps for a good 1/8th
run for drag racing...so, Jim to the rescue again! Out comes Tiny Tim's big
brother -- Mighty Tim! On first look, it was the same frame size and
appeared to be along the lines of Tiny...then we hooked it up and ran it.
Mighty Tim was built for a 24V bike Matt and I built and my son James will
be racing at Battery Beach. We were testing the bike a few nights ago and
had to call Jim, even though it was after 11:30PM here on the east coast
with the results. With Mighty Tim in it, the bike "Orange Crush" ran strong,
launched good and really had a lot of torque. We pulled out the clamp on
meter and set it for MAX amps hold and ran it again. Now Jim had predicted
that we should get a good 500 to 600 amps from the motor at launch at 24VDC.
With those kind of amps on this motor, we should do really well. Well Jim
old boy, sorry to burst your bubble and prediction, but Mighty pulled a
strong 755 AMPS! If the bike was to run good at 500-600 amps, then I think
we should be good at over 750A.
Mighty Tim in testing so far has been rock solid. Jim has taken parts from
over three motors to create this one. Talk about your mad scientists!
We look forward to getting my son started in EV racing and chasing a 24V
record with this motor. Let's hope the SEVO/Hi-Torque bike can pull it off.
See everyone tomorrow at the race!!!
Shawn M. Waggoner
www.batterybeach.com
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jim Husted
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: One day away till Battery Beach Burnout
Hey all
I bet all you racers are in freak mode now arn't you, lmao! Although I
will not be able to attend I have 2 small motors that will be flying the
Hi-Torque colors there, and well I've been crawling out of my skin all week
as the date approaches. God I hope today goes by fast as I just don't know
how much more waiting I can stand! Hope everyone has a great time. be fast,
be safe, and best of luck to all.
Cya all
Jim Husted
Hi-Torque Electric
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whatever.
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Shawn Waggoner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[posted NEDRA charter snipped]
Thanks Shawn!
Bill's unanswered question was if it was against the NEDRA charter to
issue new rules without a 30 day member comment period, and the charter
does state:
> Any change to the NEDRA rules must be approved by a majority
> of the executive board and the National Technical Director.
> Once a rule change has been approved by the executive board,
> the text of the rule change must be sent to the NEDRA
> membership. The new rules take effect thirty days after such
> notification is made or at a later date if specified in the
> rule change.
This does seem to support Bill's contention that NEDRA is/would be in
violation of their own charter if they try to enforce/implement any of
these new rules without first providing the entire NEDRA membership with
the new text and allowing a minumum of 30 days for them to be reviewed.
Has the text of the rule changes been distributed to the membership at
least 30 days ago (or at least 30 days before BBB)? If not, it would
seem that BBB must run under the old rules.
It also raises an interesting question of whether the rule changes can
be valid at all since it is required that before they are provided to
the membership for review they must be approved by a majority of the
executive board *and* the National Technical Director. The wording
specifically implies that changes must be approved by *both* the
Technical Director *and* a majority of the board, which means that the
board can block changes they don't approve of, as can the Technical
Director. It seems clear that Bill (who was the Technical Director) did
not approve of all of the rule changes, and so they could not have
passed this initial approval hurdle while he held the position. After
the end of his term, the changes could not pass this hurdle until a new
Technical Director is appointed; has a new Technical Director been
appointed, and has he/she approved the rule changes that [I assume] have
been approved by a majority of the executive board?
The sections regarding the powers/duties of the President and the
appointment/removal of an officer are also enlightening. They clarify
that the President could not possibly have "fired" the Technical
Director for *any* reason, as was rumoured, as he does not have that
power. The Technical Director could only be removed prior to the end of
his term upon a 2/3 majority vote of the executive board, or by a vote
of the NEDRA membership as a whole. The President may have requested
such a vote of the executive, but it is the executive, not the President
who ultimately decides if the officer is removed or not. The only power
the President has to prevent someone from holding a position is to not
present them to the board for consideration, since a majority vote of
the board is required to make an appointment official.
Cheers,
Roger.
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Awesome!
For those who like visuals to go with the story, Jim has some shots of the
older Tiny Tim in his photo gallery, here:
http://hitorqueelectric.com/gallery/v/custom_motors/tiny_tim
I can't wait to see pics of the Mighty Tim throwing that crazy drag racing
pocket bike down the track!
--chris
On Thu, January 19, 2006 3:27 pm, Shawn Waggoner said:
> Hi Jim and All,
>
> We finally got pictures of the new bike "Orange Crush" with your motor in
> it
> today...Matt Graham should have it up on the Battery Beach Website later
> tonight.
>
> For everyone else, Jim made a motor for us called Tiny Tim to put in one
> of
> our pocket bikes as joint SEVO and Hi-Torque project. The motor was super
> high RPM and ran wonderfully. For a road course race for pocket bikes it
> would be great. However, it just didn't pull enough amps for a good 1/8th
> run for drag racing...so, Jim to the rescue again! Out comes Tiny Tim's
> big
> brother -- Mighty Tim! On first look, it was the same frame size and
> appeared to be along the lines of Tiny...then we hooked it up and ran it.
>
> Mighty Tim was built for a 24V bike Matt and I built and my son James will
> be racing at Battery Beach. We were testing the bike a few nights ago and
> had to call Jim, even though it was after 11:30PM here on the east coast
> with the results. With Mighty Tim in it, the bike "Orange Crush" ran
> strong,
> launched good and really had a lot of torque. We pulled out the clamp on
> meter and set it for MAX amps hold and ran it again. Now Jim had predicted
> that we should get a good 500 to 600 amps from the motor at launch at
> 24VDC.
> With those kind of amps on this motor, we should do really well. Well Jim
> old boy, sorry to burst your bubble and prediction, but Mighty pulled a
> strong 755 AMPS! If the bike was to run good at 500-600 amps, then I think
> we should be good at over 750A.
>
> Mighty Tim in testing so far has been rock solid. Jim has taken parts from
> over three motors to create this one. Talk about your mad scientists!
>
> We look forward to getting my son started in EV racing and chasing a 24V
> record with this motor. Let's hope the SEVO/Hi-Torque bike can pull it
> off.
>
> See everyone tomorrow at the race!!!
>
> Shawn M. Waggoner
> www.batterybeach.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jim Husted
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:29 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: One day away till Battery Beach Burnout
>
> Hey all
>
> I bet all you racers are in freak mode now arn't you, lmao! Although I
> will not be able to attend I have 2 small motors that will be flying the
> Hi-Torque colors there, and well I've been crawling out of my skin all
> week
> as the date approaches. God I hope today goes by fast as I just don't
> know
> how much more waiting I can stand! Hope everyone has a great time. be
> fast,
> be safe, and best of luck to all.
> Cya all
>
> Jim Husted
> Hi-Torque Electric
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Photos
> Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays,
> whatever.
>
>
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On Jan 19, 2006, at 7:30 AM, Mark Hanson wrote:
Hi,
I was curious if there was a good formulae book for controls & motors.
I have Richard Valentine's book but isn't a reference of formulaes
and Howard W. Sam's but doesn't have the type of stuff I see from Lee
like armV = rpm's x field current type stuff for Regen SepEx etc.
I don't know if this book has the level of detail you're looking for,
but it has a fair number of equations in it.
"Build Your Own Electric Vehicle", by Bob Brant. Available at EV Parts:
<http://www.evparts.com/shopping/product_details.php?
id=563&product_id=1876>
and other fine vendors of vehicular electric mayhem. Also at Amazon:
<http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0830642315/>
Thanks, Mark
--
Doug Weathers
Bend, OR, USA
<http://learn-something.blogsite.org/>
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Neon, you were right (gee, how did I somehow know I'd end up saying that?).
I tried the all-thread idea, but it just ended up stripping the rest of the
threads.
I guess I'll have to read up on how the helicoil works. Will it fit snugly
in the M8 stripped hole already, or will I need to ream out the hole to say,
M10, retap and insert?
Thanks.
Bill Dennis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Neon John
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stripped Terminal
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:48:20 -0700, "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I took a closer look at the terminal threads, and it appears that the
>outermost threads are stripped, and that the bottommost threads are ok. If
>I put the bolt in by itself, it seems to eventually engage the bottommost
>threads and get tight. But once I put the lug between the bolt and
>terminal, I think that the bolt doesn't get long enough to reach the bottom
>threads. Tomorrow I'll try buying a slightly longer bolt. They appear to
>be M8 x 1.25 -- can anyone else with TS cells confirm that dimension?
It'll just strip again. Go ahead and get some M8 Helicoils from your
friendly local auto parts store and fix it permanently. Get some red
loctite while you're there and coat the helicoil on the outside before
you insert it. This will lock the coil in place.
John
---
John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Hi Bob,
I will be there with the Electric Imp.
Finding a cheap hotel seems to be a trick this time of year. There is a big
horse show this weekend in the area. There is also a big Ferrari gathering
(Prancing horse show?). They are at the Moroso track today but I'm not sure
that the Ferrari owners are the ones filling all the cheap hotels<G>.
Look forward to meeting you in person tomorrow.
Cliff
www.ProEV.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:31 AM
Subject: Battery Beach Burnout and , Who an' Where?
Hi EVerybody;
Whose going to BBB? Just curious, like where will folks be staying?Would
imagine there are cheepo motels around in West Palm?Will be Jet Bluing in
Fri.
Seeya?
Bob
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Hi Mike:
Sounds like the start of a great adventure!
I have to agree with Roger - "bed irons" or angle iron used for bed frames is
usually really junk stuff. It's tough to drill through and cut unless you use a
torch. I've been trying to use the stuff since I was a kid (sixties) and it's
still the same - junk.
Good luck with your project!
Dana
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From: "Roger Stockton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> mike golub [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > 5- I got some angle iron from some bed frames. I've
> > cut it up so I can run one bar each across the engine
> > mounts, and then run another two bars from the front
> > holes (which are 5/16" thread) to the other bars.
>
> Mike, beware the bed frame angle iron: it tends to be thin and breaks
> easily.
>
> "Proper" angle iron is pretty cheap stuff to buy and I'd strongly
> suggest that you consider investing the $20-50 it might take for the
> proper material rather than risk having these bed frame pieces fail on
> you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Roger.
>
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Would this give enough contact area? Is seems like all current would be
flowing through the outer post's threads.
Bill Dennis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Victor Tikhonov
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Stripped Terminal
Are you saying that the thread inside the terminals is stripped?
You can always unscrew large nut and put flat lug (with crimped in
cable) underneath it and tighten the nut back, so you don't use
internal threaded hole at all.
Victor
Bill Dennis wrote:
> The bolt on one of my TS cell terminals won't tighten up. Bolt goes in,
but
> it comes to a point where it won't tighten any further. What are my
choices
> on getting it fixed?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bill Dennis
>
>
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NEDRA is an organization that consists of a small group of volunteers
organizing the events and trying to promote electric drag racing.
It was recently brought to the attention of the board that the NEDRA
charter has not been followed for some years now, and it was recognized
that the charter needed to be updated in order to become a useful
guideline for the organization once again. It has literally not been
followed by ANY of the board officers for a number of years.
We on the executive board recognized that the charter is old and
outdated, has not been followed by anyone for some time, and needs to be
brought up to speed with the rest of the organization. We voted to set
aside the original charter with a no confidence vote, voted to form a
charter committee to develop new, workable charter language, and voted
bring the new charter language back to the board and to the membership
for review and commentary as soon as possible. It was also voted that
the NEDRA board would continue to move forward with NEDRA business in
the meantime by continuing to vote on matters of importance for the
organization.
Some of the changes will include new, more convenient ways for the
members to vote using modern technology. Other changes will insure that
no one person can block all progress in the organization putting the
decision making process back in the hands of the whole group. We are
trying to provide more organization, better response to the public and
the members, and better overall information dissemination.
Anyway, since the old charter text was posted, I wanted to clarify it's
been set aside pending the rewrite by the committee and the review, and
feedback of the NEDRA board and membership.
Now let's get back to talking about the big EVent at the Battery Beach
Burnout!
One issue that was brought up was what happens to the Motorcycle/Trike,
the High School, the Concept Vehicle, and the Dragster classes at this
event? It's a good question as these old class descriptions do not
appear with the new Street classes on the NEDRA site as they did not get
reworked in time for this first event of the season.
The old classes appear on the "record holders" page at:
http://nedra.com/record_holders.html
Absolutely nothing has changed in these classes. We plan to rework these
classes in the near future, but for this event, they remain unchanged.
Here is the current unchanged NEDRA class descriptions for these
classes:
Motorcycle/Trike Class (MT) - "All two and three wheeled vehicles fall
into the Motorcycle/Trike category."
High School Class (HS & HM) - "The High School categories are for
vehicles built and owned by high schools. The same street and modified
rules apply to the high school classes."
Concept Vehicle Class (CV) - "Concept Vehicles are used for prototypes
and vehicles that are one of a kind and do not fall easily into the
other categories. As soon as there are two or more of a vehicle, then it
is no longer a concept vehicle."
Dragster Class (DR) - "Dragsters are not street legal vehicles" (this is
the only language we have on dragsters currently).
Hope this helps to clarify both the Charter issue and the remaining
class descriptions.
-Ken Trough
Public Relations Director, NEDRA
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I live on the island of Hawaii, locally known as the
Big Island, and it is much bigger than the other
islands that make up the chain. A round trip here
would be a about 250 miles. However, I very rarely
make this trip (2-3) times a year.
The range i am aiming for is about 70 miles (our once
a week town trip is about 63-65miles...30 mi. each way
plus driving around town. I figure to make this a
possibilty I would have to go with more expensive
batteries, AGM, or NiMH, or Lion, yes? This EV would
also have to be able to haul people and supplies, as
that is what we use it for, it's not a commute to work
run, it's a stock up on what we need run. So that is
why we I'm looking at a truck or van conversion.
Other than this run, we usually wouldn't drive more
than 20 mi roundtrip, and mostly less than 10 mi.
On the Astro van there would be plenty of room for
batteries under the rear floor, on either side of the
driveshaft (with the gas tank and exhaust system
removed of course). It has good clearance because it
is really a truck chassis.
Another option could be a similar sized, aluminum
delivery van, to save some vehicle weight, though we
don't have one of these at the moment, but we could
sell off the other vehicles to aquire one.
It seems possible to mount up to 500 watts of solar
panels on the roof of a van, to help charge on the go,
and just make the long drive on sunny days!
Does any of this sound doable, say if money is no
object, or am i just dreaming?
I dream of a production Toyota Truck hybrid with Lion
Plug in pack that will go 60mi on batteries, and get
100mph in hybrid mode...Toyota are you listening?
Thanks for the response Ricky,
Lee Parrish
Curious, which island are you on? The reason I ask is
because I visited
Kuwai and Maui a few months ago. Maui would lend
itself to typical
range issues, but I was thinking as we drove out big
Dodge Magnum around
Kuwai how ideally suited an EV would be for this
island. If you drove the
long way around the Island that was probably about the
useable range
for the electric right there. There would be no place
you couldn't
realistically drive it. Also I think the maximum speed
limit I saw was 50mph,
something that lends itself to efficient driving.
As far as the Van or the truck, either *could* be
done, but they're
going to end up heavy conversions. All the weight is
going to be your
enemy and your going to need more batteries (and more
battery weight) to
give a decent range. Dodge had their TEVan conversions
in the 90's. A
few still survive and I know they had good range, but
they also used
expensive flooded NiCad batteries. On the other hand
though, there'd
deffinitely be pleny of room for batteries.
lee parrish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
aloha,
just wondering if anyone has ever converted a chevy
astro van, or know of any reason why it would.wouldn't
make a good candidate for an EV.
i've got a couple with auto trannies, a 94, and 95.
i'm thinking about converting one of them.
i've been living off grid here in hawaii for a few
years, and can install and maintain solar systems, but
am less mechanically inclined, at least when it comes
to engines, etc...i'm more of a nuts and bolts kinda
guy, so i'm attracted to EV's for their simplicity and
the thought that i could charge it up off our solar
system. even with my experience with solar electric
sytems, and general ICE mechanics, i'm new to this
idea, and still learning the EV "language" and
options.
i've also got an older dodge ram 50 with a manual
trans. 4x4 to play with.
any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. there doesn't seem to be a big EV scene
here, unless you count all the golf carts at the
resorts.
mahalo,
lee parrish
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Shawn,
With the TINY TIM motor, what was your run time for a pocket bike race?
I race with a club here, and since i fried the ICE motor i thought about a
conversion,
but weight and distance was what is holding me back.
Suggestions?
Thanks
Paul
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Your probably looking at a lot of batteries or expensive batteries to have 70
miles with such a large, heavy, un-aerodynamic vehicle. It's doable some how
I'm sure. Hopefully others will comment on this. For a 10 or 20 mile trip that
should be very doable, but that 70 mile trip is probably pushing.
lee parrish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I live on the island of Hawaii, locally
known as the
Big Island, and it is much bigger than the other
islands that make up the chain. A round trip here
would be a about 250 miles. However, I very rarely
make this trip (2-3) times a year.
The range i am aiming for is about 70 miles (our once
a week town trip is about 63-65miles...30 mi. each way
plus driving around town. I figure to make this a
possibilty I would have to go with more expensive
batteries, AGM, or NiMH, or Lion, yes? This EV would
also have to be able to haul people and supplies, as
that is what we use it for, it's not a commute to work
run, it's a stock up on what we need run. So that is
why we I'm looking at a truck or van conversion.
Other than this run, we usually wouldn't drive more
than 20 mi roundtrip, and mostly less than 10 mi.
On the Astro van there would be plenty of room for
batteries under the rear floor, on either side of the
driveshaft (with the gas tank and exhaust system
removed of course). It has good clearance because it
is really a truck chassis.
Another option could be a similar sized, aluminum
delivery van, to save some vehicle weight, though we
don't have one of these at the moment, but we could
sell off the other vehicles to aquire one.
It seems possible to mount up to 500 watts of solar
panels on the roof of a van, to help charge on the go,
and just make the long drive on sunny days!
Does any of this sound doable, say if money is no
object, or am i just dreaming?
I dream of a production Toyota Truck hybrid with Lion
Plug in pack that will go 60mi on batteries, and get
100mph in hybrid mode...Toyota are you listening?
Thanks for the response Ricky,
Lee Parrish
Curious, which island are you on? The reason I ask is
because I visited
Kuwai and Maui a few months ago. Maui would lend
itself to typical
range issues, but I was thinking as we drove out big
Dodge Magnum around
Kuwai how ideally suited an EV would be for this
island. If you drove the
long way around the Island that was probably about the
useable range
for the electric right there. There would be no place
you couldn't
realistically drive it. Also I think the maximum speed
limit I saw was 50mph,
something that lends itself to efficient driving.
As far as the Van or the truck, either *could* be
done, but they're
going to end up heavy conversions. All the weight is
going to be your
enemy and your going to need more batteries (and more
battery weight) to
give a decent range. Dodge had their TEVan conversions
in the 90's. A
few still survive and I know they had good range, but
they also used
expensive flooded NiCad batteries. On the other hand
though, there'd
deffinitely be pleny of room for batteries.
lee parrish wrote:
aloha,
just wondering if anyone has ever converted a chevy
astro van, or know of any reason why it would.wouldn't
make a good candidate for an EV.
i've got a couple with auto trannies, a 94, and 95.
i'm thinking about converting one of them.
i've been living off grid here in hawaii for a few
years, and can install and maintain solar systems, but
am less mechanically inclined, at least when it comes
to engines, etc...i'm more of a nuts and bolts kinda
guy, so i'm attracted to EV's for their simplicity and
the thought that i could charge it up off our solar
system. even with my experience with solar electric
sytems, and general ICE mechanics, i'm new to this
idea, and still learning the EV "language" and
options.
i've also got an older dodge ram 50 with a manual
trans. 4x4 to play with.
any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. there doesn't seem to be a big EV scene
here, unless you count all the golf carts at the
resorts.
mahalo,
lee parrish
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500 Watts of panels might move the van at a walking pace. They would
take days to fully recharge the battery. If they hurt the van's
aerodynamics, they might actually make for less range!
One the plus side, you could use the solar panels to prop up a low
battery, and help keep it from being the weak link in your range.
--- lee parrish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
> It seems possible to mount up to 500 watts of solar
> panels on the roof of a van, to help charge on the go,
> and just make the long drive on sunny days!
>
> Does any of this sound doable, say if money is no
> object, or am i just dreaming?
> ...
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I strong recommend that NEDRA members concerned about this issue
pursue further discussions about it off the list, in private email.
Please remember that the EVDL is archived in several different places. Not
all are under the control of list members. In fact, everything you post here
is
eventually indexed by Google and Yahoo. If you doubt this, just try
searching for your signature. You might be surprised how many hits will turn
up.
When you post here, it's not like a casual conversation in the driveway. Your
words will be floating around the net for a long, long time. They are
available
to anyone, from a prospective spouse to a prospective employer.
Think about that before clicking the "send" button. And don't forget to double-
check that "to" field!
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Hi Paul,
One of other bikes has an ETEK and runs in "race mode" (read as full out
racing) for just short of 5 miles. We have built other bikes that have
ranges closer to 15 miles with speeds over 30MPH.
We have not had a chance to run Tiny Tim in a race bike (road) yet. We have
only tested it in Orange Crush for the 1/8th mile drag. However, the way Jim
has this motor setup it draws a lower number of amps while still producing a
high RPM, which would be good for the road race. We plan to put Tiny Tim in
another bike after the race and we get more time. We will most likely run it
36VDC with an Alltrax controller.
On the topic of Hi-Torque motors, Jim also built another motor for us called
the "Stinger" motor. It was to run at 72VDC in a bike called the "Yellow
Jacket". However, with all the work on the event and other EV's down here,
it just wasn't possible to have it completed in time, no fault of Jim's
though - completely on ours. Jim busted his rear to support Matt and I, and
this race and we can't thank him enough for all of his support. The Yellow
Jacket should be ready for the Power of DC race though. Once we get it
together, we'll get it added to the EV Album and let everyone know.
See ya,
Shawn M. Waggoner
www.batterybeach.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of paul wiley
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 6:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Hi-Torque Motors
Shawn,
With the TINY TIM motor, what was your run time for a pocket bike race?
I race with a club here, and since i fried the ICE motor i thought about a
conversion,
but weight and distance was what is holding me back.
Suggestions?
Thanks
Paul
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