EV Digest 5141
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) RE: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RFQ: Motor Adapter to Automatic Trans in 1996 Geo Metro
by Todd Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) RE: Hey man, your car is on fire !
by Seth Rothenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: E-Volks Geo Metro Conversion
by Darin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by "Roderick Wilde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) OT: Rod's quote
by Bob Bath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) RE: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by "Mueller, Craig M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Silicon Carbide Inverter
by Neon John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: ICE add-on makes a hybrid
by "STEVE CLUNN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) RE: HV dc converter on eBay
by Mike & Paula Willmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by Nick Viera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by Rush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
by Jimmy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Budget EV clutch/clutchless motor adapter solution
by paul wiley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: New Kits
by Doug Weathers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: E-Volks Geo Metro Conversion
by "jmygann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) NiMH batteries on eBay
by [EMAIL PROTECTED]
25) Re: RFQ: Motor Adapter to Automatic Trans in 1996 Geo Metro
by "jmygann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: Silicone batteries?
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Silicone batteries?
by Evan Tuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Silicone batteries?
by "Philippe Borges" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I was plesently surprised to hear it also. While I think tacking the
word electric vehicles on the end is more of a token EV add-on, It means
we ARE being heard.
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Hello all,
Does anyone please have any suggestions on where to buy or how to make a
motor adapter for an Automatic Transmission in a 1996 Geo Metro (VIN#
2C1MR2291T6755035). It is a 3 door Hatchback, Lsi. The engine was the 4
cylinder and the Auto. Transmission is a 3 speed.
Before you jump in and say, "Hey, get yourself a Manual Transmission"...
let's just say it isn't in this donor car and I'm not going to swap it out.
Direct drive has been ruled out, reluctantly, due to cost.
The motor of choice will be a Netgain Impulse 9, which has the same mounting
bolt pattern as an ADC 8" motor. The controller will be a Zilla 1K (low
voltage).
Thanks in advance!
Todd Martin
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>
> If you use a single precharge resistor across one contactor, then when
> the key is off and both contactors open, the controller bus caps are
> allowed to discharge and while the drivetrain is still not completely
> isolated from the battery pack at least it isn't being subjected to the
> peak charging voltage any longer.
>
I couldn't get this without a picture.
(I have Build Your Own....)
Is there a schematic floating around (eg on evforge)
that can show the subtle difference?
(I'm not at the planning stage yet, but this does
seem like an ordinary single-point-of-failure design problem,
just with high stakes :-)
Thanks
Seth
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Mike Chancey wrote:
> Keep in mind this is not a contactor controlled system, at least not
> what we would consider one to be. Turning on the ignition switch
> turns on the motor. Speed is controlled by slipping the clutch and
> shifting gears. The accelerator pedal, as delivered, did nothing.
Wow - that's even more "low budget" than *I* was considering. (I was
trying to figure out how to work in a joke about it being a true
"turn-key" electric car, but will refrain.)
Thanks for the additional info.
Darin
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My concern here is that this is just lip service, words to distract the
public that have nothing to do with his policy intent. It's not like
this isn't normal for politics, but I'm with those who put Bush at the
top of the list of worst offenders.
I supposed one of the things to consider is whether his previous
"Hydrogen Fuel" plan was true to his words.
http://www.monitor.net/monitor/0302a/bushhydrogen.html
Some say the funding was too trivial to serve a useful function and was
only there to make good copy. This funding pretty much took the place
of requiring better economy out of current cars (Detroit's new trend to
to bring back the muscle car??), fix the EPA's measuing standards so
fuel economy numbers represents reality, remove the "light truck"
loophole in fuel economy regs that SUVs exploit, or further promote
hybrids. And I have to note that basically instead of requiring more of
the auto industry, there's a government funding handout to the industry.
Well you can read it either way, whether $1.2 billion actually makes a
difference or actually got handed out at all, or got handed out to
people who will do research and not people tied to Bush who mostly
pocket the funding with no results. This is up to interpretation and I
don't claim to know the answer.
But let's not get political here, I'll drop the OT card as soon as
someone starts talking about Bush in general. That argument can go on
for months.
Danny
Nick Austin wrote:
This sure is a far cry from:
"If you're one of those people who puts solar panels on your
house or drives a battery powered car, you might as well
vote for Gore"
-- Dick Cheney, Oct 3, 2000.
Seems like they might be trying to swing people for the congressional
elections, but here's hoping I'm wrong.
What do folks here think about this? Am I reading too much into this?
Positve and negative opinions welcome. (I guess if it's *really* negative,
maybe mail me privately...)
I hope this marks a positive shift in policy, that would be fantastic!
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Look, all politics aside. the words were uttered and millions of people
heard them. The cat is out of the bag. Whether he believes one word of what
he said or doesn't, it just doesn't matter. People will start Googling this
stuff and find out he truth. One, we are thirty years behind third world
countries as far as energy independence, two, the battery technology already
exists, and third, people on this list have been satisfying their
transportation needs for years electrically. In my own opinion he made a
very big mistake mentioning it. That is about as political as I will allow
myself to get on this list.
Roderick Wilde
"Education is the most subversive thing you can do to the human mind and
information is the ultimate weapon"
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This is beautiful; is it yours, or someone else's?
Thanks,
> "Education is the most subversive thing you can do
> to the human mind and
> information is the ultimate weapon"
>
>
>
BTW, nice political correctness-- oh, excuse me, LIST correctness!
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Or it means that somebody that writes his speeches is told to make him
'greener' and inserts some BS phrases that he has no intention of following,
political spin.
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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From: "Jeff Shanab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 8:24 PM
Subject: RE: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
>I was plesently surprised to hear it also. While I think tacking the
> word electric vehicles on the end is more of a token EV add-on, It means
> we ARE being heard.
>
>
>
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I wondered the same thing last night and today after hearing the other
comments about an "oil habit". I wonder if the list members got together
somewhat like the voting on the Drag Times site and contacted the members of
Congress asking for some small assistance in our "research." It could be
amazing what a group this size can accomplish.
No, we aren't a Detroit mega-company R&D department, but there is an awful
lot of experience and experimenting in this group and any incentive they
might come up with might be helpful. Yes, I am aware of the 12 most
frightening words in the world, but if they could offer even a small tax
break it might generate some even more awesome advances than we saw last
year.
FWIW the 12 words are "I am from the government and I am here to help you."
respectfully,
John Neiswanger
Northern CA
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From: "Chris Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:57 PM
Subject: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
> I'll admit I've gotten out of the habit of listening to the US President's
> State of the Union Address in the past few years, among other reasons
> because the current president's delivery pattern just rubs me the wrong
> way. Something about uncontrollable twitching when I hear "nukular" I
> suppose.
>
> But a few moments ago, Mark Farver informed me that yesterday's was one I
> shouldn't have missed, and I'm surprised that it doesn't seem to have been
> brought up on the list today. About 3/4 of the way through the speech,
> Bush actually mentioned plans to "increase our research in better
> batteries for hybrid and electric cars" among other energy initiatives
> (nuclear, hydrogen, wind, solar, methanol, etc).
>
> Maybe I'm overreacting, and I realize it's just one sentence in a speech,
> but just that he included the terms "better batteries" and "electric cars"
> in the same sentence during such an important address seems absolutely
> huge to me. This wasn't an off-the-cuff comment; I think it's safe to
> assume this was a speech worked over word-for-word, for days if not weeks.
> Could this imply even a small shift in policy? Perhaps this might bring a
> little less of the hydrogen extremism in government grant spending that
> killed so much battery research in the past few years...
>
> What do folks here think about this? Am I reading too much into this?
> Positve and negative opinions welcome. (I guess if it's *really* negative,
> maybe mail me privately...)
>
> --chris
>
>
>
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>Maybe upon reading that, some people previously ignorant of the idea
will
>be convinced of its value.
I agree - Regardless of the actions of the current administration, it
seems clear just by the auto manufacturers claims that the problem with
EV's is not so much technology, but public acceptance (demand!). That
is, if GM cites the end of EV-1 in light of soft demand, this statement
from the office of the President will certainly open the common public
perspective to ideas generally thought of as radical (as the quote
posted by Dick Cheney illuminated).
> Judge Deeds, Not Words
Well put! I would limit this to my political selection in this case,
however. Certainly the statement is in the books and is in our hands
(i.e. the acting EV users) to further validate the already strong
argument for EV use. With enough political surge to drive up demand,
even if somewhat artificially, there might be enough general public
interest in any efforts made - which may allow the increased battery
production to bring costs down to a level that is economically
competitive with the more fuel efficient - dare I say - hybrids, and
ICEs.
- Craig
P.S. With an approval rating below 50% presently, maybe this little
statement is sort of a "I'm goin' down...and I'm gonna take those
tree-hugging liberals with me" While I'm neither a 'liberal' nor
'conservative' I have been put into both categories...the liberal one
generally after folks learn that I drive an EV, eat organic foods, and
have a corn-burning stove heating part of my house.
Also (long winded) - I thought I might be the only one flinching at the
hearing of "Nucular..." - I couldn't stop laughing after seeing Chris
has the same affection for this 'accented' way of pronouncing the word!
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I could also interpret it this way. Whether or not Bush had any degree
of sincerity aside, the interesting observation is that it is now seen
as politically advantageous/popular to advocate EVs. Did it just
officially become "mainstream"?
Danny
Roderick Wilde wrote:
Look, all politics aside. the words were uttered and millions of
people heard them. The cat is out of the bag. Whether he believes one
word of what he said or doesn't, it just doesn't matter. People will
start Googling this stuff and find out he truth. One, we are thirty
years behind third world countries as far as energy independence, two,
the battery technology already exists, and third, people on this list
have been satisfying their transportation needs for years
electrically. In my own opinion he made a very big mistake mentioning
it. That is about as political as I will allow myself to get on this
list.
Roderick Wilde
"Education is the most subversive thing you can do to the human mind
and information is the ultimate weapon"
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On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:22:21 -0800, Marc Geller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>If they were intending to actually do something, they'd have called
>on congress to repeal all the recent additional tax benefits for oil
>companies, announced an excess profits tax, and provided tax credits
>or actual rebates for the purchase of plug-in cars.
You, sir, should immediately drop everything in favor of suing your
school board, for this line of reasoning indicates that you have
obviously been cheated out of the basic education every American
deserves.
John
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Found this blurb today:
http://powerelectronics.com/news/silicon-carbide-inverter/
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.johngsbbq.com
Cleveland, Occupied TN
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.-Ralph Waldo Emerson
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The "regenerative braking" claim is wishful thinking and/or marketing
hype. >
Roger.
and how about " never runs out of energy under most driving conductions. we
are going to see more and more of the kind of stuff , so have your aluminum
pyramid hats ready.
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But they can be paralleled for more power.
http://www.vicr.com/documents/datasheets/ds_24vin-maxi-family.pdf
quick search and I can't find prices on them though.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Lawrence Rhodes
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:04 AM
To: EV Discussion List
Subject: Re: HV dc converter on eBay
A little skimpy but it'd do the job. It would be best to have it charging a
battery. It would work on lets say a motorcycle solo. I happen to use one
simular and paid 250 dollars for it. It has worked for 6 years. Mine is a
48v version. Lawrence Rhodes....
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "EV Discussion List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:27 PM
Subject: HV dc converter on eBay
> Model VI-B62 takes 200-400Vdc input, and the 15Vdc output can be trimmed
> down:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7586424501
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Bottom line: They won't do it until they have to. That is my opinion.
Dave
From deep within our secret soul
do demons dwell and take their toll
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From: "MIKE & PAULA WILLMON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
I cought the presidents words last night too. I'm highly impressed that I
heard these words come out of his mouth and will be dumbfounded if I see
any results within the next 5 years. Going through all the IEEE papers
I've read I notice there was a big spike in Battery research immediately
prior to and during the time the car companies were offering the electric
only vehicles. Since they started crushing them however those research
papers have tapered off. Of note though is an apparent increase in the
number of papers published on Super Capacitors and Lithiated Metal Polymer
batteries. So maybe with this little mention from the president,
engineering and research companies will again bring the studies back. We
can already see high energy density batteries and high power density
batteries. Now we just need to figure out how to have both qualities in
the same battery. Here's to hoping it wil happen.
Mike,
Anchorage, AK.
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From: Chris Robison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 4:03 pm
Subject: Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
To: [email protected]
I apologize if I've delved too far into a political realm, but I
reallysee US Government support as a factor that could greatly
influence the
adoption of electric vehicles.
And the press release you posted, where it discusses Plug-in
Hybrids, is
actually some of the best news yet. "These vehicles will enable
driversto meet most of their urban commuting needs with virtually
no gasoline
use." I can't help but to be impressed that our current
administration is
making that statement. Even if it's all a game and they don't really
intend to invest in battery technology, it's a sign that at least
someoneup there sees the benefit.
Maybe upon reading that, some people previously ignorant of the
idea will
be convinced of its value.
--chris
On Wed, February 1, 2006 6:22 pm, Roderick Wilde said:
> I am not sure if your post will get censured or not. There is a
strong> anti
> political rule on this forum. Here is the official White House press
> release
> from earlier today which goes into more details and mentions
plug in
> hybrids
> as well:
>
> We Are On The Verge Of Dramatic Improvements
> In How We Power Our Automobiles, And The
> President's Initiative Will Bring Those
> Improvements To The Forefront. The United States
> must move beyond a petroleum-based economy and
> develop new ways to power automobiles. The
> President wants to accelerate the development of
> domestic, renewable alternatives to gasoline and
> diesel fuels. The Administration will accelerate
> research in cutting-edge methods of producing
> "cellulosic ethanol" with the goal of making the
> use of such ethanol practical and competitive
> within 6 years. The Administration will also step
> up the Nation's research in better batteries for
> use in hybrid and electric cars and in
> pollution-free cars that run on hydrogen.
>
> Developing More Efficient Vehicles. Current
> hybrids on the road run on a battery developed at
> the DOE. The President's plan would accelerate
> research in the next generation of battery
> technology for hybrid vehicles and "plug-in
> hybrids." Current hybrids can only use the
> gasoline engine to charge the on-board battery. A
> "plug-in" hybrid can run either on electricity or
> on gasoline and can be plugged into the wall at
> night to recharge its batteries. These vehicles
> will enable drivers to meet most of their urban
> commuting needs with virtually no gasoline use.
> Advanced battery technologies offer the potential
> to significantly reduce oil consumption in the
> near-term. The 2007 Budget includes $30 million -
> a $6.7 million increase over FY06 - to speed up
> the development of this battery technology and
> extend the range of these vehicles.
>
> In addition, the president's 2007 budget includes
> $289 million for hydrogen fuel cell research. The
> statement also noted that the cost of a hydrogen
> fuel cell has been cut by more than 50% in just four years.
>
> posted by Roderick Wilde
>
>
>
>
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> From: "Chris Robison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 3:57 PM
> Subject: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
>
>
>> I'll admit I've gotten out of the habit of listening to the US
>> President's
>> State of the Union Address in the past few years, among other
reasons>> because the current president's delivery pattern just
rubs me the wrong
>> way. Something about uncontrollable twitching when I hear
"nukular" I
>> suppose.
>>
>> But a few moments ago, Mark Farver informed me that yesterday's
was one
>> I
>> shouldn't have missed, and I'm surprised that it doesn't seem
to have
>> been
>> brought up on the list today. About 3/4 of the way through the
speech,>> Bush actually mentioned plans to "increase our research
in better
>> batteries for hybrid and electric cars" among other energy
initiatives>> (nuclear, hydrogen, wind, solar, methanol, etc).
>>
>> Maybe I'm overreacting, and I realize it's just one sentence in a
>> speech,
>> but just that he included the terms "better batteries" and
"electric>> cars"
>> in the same sentence during such an important address seems
absolutely>> huge to me. This wasn't an off-the-cuff comment; I
think it's safe to
>> assume this was a speech worked over word-for-word, for days if not
>> weeks.
>> Could this imply even a small shift in policy? Perhaps this
might bring
>> a
>> little less of the hydrogen extremism in government grant
spending that
>> killed so much battery research in the past few years...
>>
>> What do folks here think about this? Am I reading too much
into this?
>> Positve and negative opinions welcome. (I guess if it's *really*
>> negative,
>> maybe mail me privately...)
>>
>> --chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hi all,
From the 01/31/2006 state of the union address:
We must also change how we power our automobiles. We will increase
our research in better batteries for hybrid and electric cars, and in
pollution-free cars that run on hydrogen.
Does anyone else find the wording a bit strange in the passage above? I
think that the placement of the term "pollution-free" makes it sound
like Hydrogen-powered cars are pollution-free whereas electric cars are
not. Maybe misleading to those that aren't knowledgeable about EVs?
Roderick Wilde wrote:
Look, all politics aside. the words were uttered and millions of
people heard them. The cat is out of the bag. Whether he believes one
word of what he said or doesn't, it just doesn't matter. People will
start Googling this stuff and find out he truth. One, we are thirty
years behind third world countries as far as energy independence,
two, the battery technology already exists, and third, people on this
list have been satisfying their transportation needs for years
electrically.
I agree; well said Rod!
--
-Nick
1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
http://go.DriveEV.com/
http://www.ACEAA.org/
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John wrote -
>I wondered the same thing last night and today after hearing the other
> comments about an "oil habit". I wonder if the list members got together
> somewhat like the voting on the Drag Times site and contacted the members of
> Congress asking for some small assistance in our "research." It could be
> amazing what a group this size can accomplish.
>
Excellent idea,
Here is a link for all our senators and representatives
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
Write them and write them often about anything that concerns you. Make yourself
be heard!
Rush
Tucson AZ
www.ironandwood.org
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Judge Deeds, Not Words
Truer words could not be said. I'm still waiting on that major manned
space initiative that he promised a few turns back. 8^)
The announcement is certainly worthy of note. Not so much because it
will mean any direct action by the administration, but more because it
indicates that the administration believes that this change is
inevitable and imminent.
-Ken Trough
V is for Voltage
http://visforvoltage.com
AIM/YM - ktrough
FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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I agree,
When young, one of the aspects of youth is a strong
feeling of hope for the future, after all, living to
80 is many decades away so all you have to do is sit
back and wait for it to happen. When participating in
the first "earth day" in 1970 we learned about
electric cars of c1905 and thought: surely we can
build a more efficient electric car with 1970s
technology, after all, the government will help!!?
Our hopes were high!. Many of us went off in
different directions to change the world, but
eventually found out that the only sure changes that
will happen in your life are the ones you implement
yourself.
My advice is to never sit back and hope the Government
will somehow, someway do the right thing. One of the
advantages of being politically cognizant for over 45
years is the ability to recognize double speak. Since
it would help the elections in November I expect a "No
alternative energy left behind initiative" soon, we
all know what it would mean.
If you are reading this list you are or will be one of
the few "do-ers". When you drive your EV down the
street it IS happening, and if it is the right thing,
no one, no company, no government, no crushing can
stop it. Our individual political beliefs may differ
but as a group we are making it happen, keep:
building, converting, racing, teaching about EVs. EVs
now have a life of their own and it is spreading
simply because it fulfills a need of the people, a
need that the powers presently choose to ignore,
suppress by crushing and occasionally give lip service
(double speak).
There is hope - because the "Bill Gates" of batteries
is out there, he/she is one of us, lurking or just
needs to find this list!
Hang Tight,
Jimmy
> Subject: Re: Bush mentions battery tech, EVs
> From: "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]
>
>
>
> Judge Deeds, Not Words
>
> All it would take to make me believe in his will to
> really change
> something would be a call to his buddies at Texaco
> to revise Ovonics
> strategy in regard to their battery technology. But,
> (IMHO) unfortunately
> it is a big smoke screen again to make people
> believe he would actually
> care about rising gas prices and environmental
> protection.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> Michaela
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In the motor adapter/clutch-clutchless discussion, Has anyone looked at the
"ram Coupler" for a solution? These things rock on a dirt track. Positive
lockup but a slipper cone for pulling away. Down side? no ring gear for a
starter for the ICE. Up side? Simple operation, light, small and lends itself
well to the electric motor world. A builder could use a motor adapter and just
bolt it in place of the clutch/flywheel assy, or buy a blank and have a machine
shop mount it to your motor shaft.
Simple operation is....pedal up=positive lock up, pedal halfway down=neutral,
pedal on the floor=slipper cone spooling up input shaft/car starting to role.
Here is just one site that a google search turned up.
http://www.ramclutches.com/zen-cart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2
paul
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I would like an EV version of the Ford Focus hatchback, or some other
small hatchback. I like the looks of the Focus, and there are
performance parts available for it.
<http://www.focussport.com/>
<http://www.focus-central.com/>
Others as found by Google. I haven't looked at these in any depth, so
perhaps they'll all be useless things like exhaust parts,
turbochargers, etc. If there are suspension and transmission parts it
might make it easier to make fast EVs out of them as well as grocery
getters and commuters. Options are good.
On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:05 AM, Reverend Gadget wrote:
Left Coast Conversions wants to offer some new kits to
the conversion market. We believe that the rising cost
of fuel will continue to bring new users to the ev
market. The cars we choose should have enough units on
the road to be able to find gliders. They should also
be cars that people will want to drive. So far we are
looking at a PT cruiser and a Miata. What other kitw
would you all like to see available? Thanks in advance
for the input.
Gadget
visit my websites at www.reverendgadget.com, gadgetsworld.org,
leftcoastconversions.com
--
Doug Weathers
Bend, OR, USA
<http://learn-something.blogsite.org/>
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Well folks I feel the jury is still out on the E-Volks Conversion.
I have one ... You get what you pay for ...
The key does not turn on the motor.
I have NO financial connection to E-Volks, but was looking for a
low cost , low speed commuter.
If someone else has a vehicle for a comparable price please contact
me immediately and I will buy it .....
Also I would like to make contact with any E-Volks buyers .....
Mike ... are you the owner ?
This is my second purchase from E-Volks , the first being a Elec.
bike kit.
jmy in N. Cal
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Chancey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Last night I finally got a look at the latest EV to join our
chapter
> and I have to admit I was quite disappointed and a rather angry.
The
> car is a Geo Metro converted by E-Volks. It is really hard to see
> how they can consider this a completed "turn-key" electric car.
This
> is what I found:
>
> All battery cable ends are those bolt-on temporary ones. They
used
> the top post type on the batteries and the side post type for all
> loop connections such as the motor, contactor and shunt.
>
> All added low current wiring, such as the ammeter shunt leads,
> contactor coil leads, and so forth were wired with speaker wire.
>
> No fuses or circuit breakers in the battery pack wiring, nor in
any
> added wiring.
>
> Battery interconnect cables routed from front to rear by running
> across the passenger side floor.
>
> No batteries secured by any means whatsoever.
>
> The 80 Amp-Hour 12 Volt auxiliary battery, wired to charge from a
2
> Amp battery charger.
>
> The 10 Amp pack battery charger connects to the car with alligator
clips.
>
> The damaged throttle cable is connected to a pot-box, but the car
> doesn't have a controller. It was shipped as a 36 Volt on-off no
> controller required.
>
> The drive motor is an old aircraft starter-generator. While the
> mount and adapter seem sufficient so far, there was no provision
made
> to cool the motor.
>
> The rear battery rack seemed fairly well fabricated, but the front
> racks were hacked up out of used bed side rails and attached with
screws.
>
> No vacuum pump was added to support the existing power brakes.
Also,
> one of the brake lines had been cut.
>
> The car was still equipped with a full exhaust system, including
> muffler and catalytic converter.
>
> The gas tank and filler neck were still in place, and a the
uncapped
> cut off end of the fuel line was left level with the top of the
front
> batteries.
>
> Basically, what he has is a dirty Geo Metro with some body damage,
an
> aircraft starter generator with matching adapter and coupler, an
> adjustable 6-72 Volt 5-10 Amp battery charger, a 12 Volt 2 Amp
float
> battery charger, a 500 Amp Ammeter and shunt, a 50 Volt
> Voltmeter, a Kilovac contactor, and six 6 Volt Exide golf-cart
> batteries. Not much for $2500 and unlikely to deliver the 35-40
mph,
> 30 mile range advertised.
>
> This was supposedly a complete EV when purchased. These folks
have a
> strange idea of what completed means. I guess we really need to
> strike these folks as a potential source of
> conversions. Unfortunately, I think it has been too long in his
> hands for any legal remedy, he has had it for a few months. I
have
> been trying to come up with an upgrade strategy, I know there
isn't
> much to work with, but he is in this deep so somehow we have to
make
> it work. My thinking is, upgrade to 72 Volts, build proper
battery
> racks up front and a new rack and enclosure in back. Add a
> controller, circuit breaker, fuses, vacuum pump, motor blower fan,
> DC-DC converter, a proper battery charger, upgraded gages, and new
> wiring. We are also going to need to go over the car itself, I
am
> sure it has some mechanical issues that need to be addressed. And
> yes, the exhaust system and gas tank have to go.
>
> 72 Volts is pretty low, but I am afraid of over loading the car
with
> too much weight. If anyone has any additional suggestions, I
would
> appreciate the input.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Mike Chancey,
> '88 Civic EV
> Kansas City, Missouri
> EV List Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
> My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
> Mid-America EAA chapter at: http://maeaa.org
> Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
>
> In medio stat virtus - Virtue is in the moderate, not the extreme
> position. (Horace)
>
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Not cheap, but like it says, hard to find - 12.5V/125Ahr for $850 each:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4608519661
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I'm also looking for an adapter.
My thought is a 95+ Geo Metro @ 48 volts ... low speed
leftcoastconversions.com ???
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Todd Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Does anyone please have any suggestions on where to buy or how
to make a motor adapter for an Automatic Transmission in a 1996 Geo
Metro (VIN# 2C1MR2291T6755035). It is a 3 door Hatchback, Lsi. The
engine was the 4 cylinder and the Auto. Transmission is a 3 speed.
>
> Before you jump in and say, "Hey, get yourself a Manual
Transmission"... let's just say it isn't in this donor car and I'm
not going to swap it out. Direct drive has been ruled out,
reluctantly, due to cost.
>
> The motor of choice will be a Netgain Impulse 9, which has the
same mounting bolt pattern as an ADC 8" motor. The controller will
be a Zilla 1K (low voltage).
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Todd Martin
>
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On 31 Jan 2006 at 15:08, Evan Tuer wrote:
> The claimed Wh/kg seems to be not far behind the Saft Nicad, for some
> of their cells.
I don't see that. I may be misreading their text, but it appears that the
spec page claims 35-42 Wh/kg. However, the "product show" page describes a
2 volt, 100 ah cell (which from the voltage almost has to be a modified lead
acid design). That's 200 Wh, right? And it weighs 33.5 kg. So we have
just under 6 Wh/kg, which makes no sense at all. Has to be an error.
The others on that page are :
2v 200ah, 15kg, 26.67 Wh/kg
2v 300ah, 21.9kg, 27.4 Wh/kg
2v 500ah, 30.2kg, 33.1 Wh/kg
These numbers make more sense, but they aren't significantly better than
other lead batteries and certainly not in the 35-42 Wh/kg range. Most
flooded lead batteries run 27-30 Wh/kg, with the best up around 36 Wh/kg.
Also, look at the cycle life curve. It falls to 80% capacity at 350 cycles,
not really much better than a typical 12 volt marine battery.
As far as I can see, they don't specify at what current the capacity is
rated, either. Caveat emptor.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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On 2/2/06, David Roden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 31 Jan 2006 at 15:08, Evan Tuer wrote:
>
> > The claimed Wh/kg seems to be not far behind the Saft Nicad, for some
> > of their cells.
>
> I don't see that. I may be misreading their text, but it appears that the
> spec page claims 35-42 Wh/kg. However, the "product show" page
> describes a 2 volt, 100 ah cell (which from the voltage almost has to be a
> modified lead acid design). That's 200 Wh, right? And it weighs 33.5 kg.
> So we have just under 6 Wh/kg, which makes no sense at all. Has to be
> an error.
Yes, that's an error - notice that the weight and dimensions are
exactly the same as for the 12V, 100AH battery on the next page.
However, if you click on "GM" and then on "III", you will see a 12V,
88AH battery weighing 23.6kg for 44.7Wh/kg - quite a lot better than
lead, although as you say the discharge rate is the important thing,
and whether this chemistry has a Peukert's effect. (And whether you
can believe the spec in the first place!)
There does seem to be quite a large range of different 12V batteries.
That would suggest that they are already in use for SLI duty. 400 70%
cycles also seems better than a lead-acid SLI battery, although
pathetic by golf-cart battery standards.
But there could be an EV niche if the hint of high-discharge rates is accurate.
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there are silicone batteries used for 2 years in the emax scooters, no one
of the battery constructor claims are seen by users.
These batteries are lead batteries though not lead acid but lead silicate
it's the only difference, same "lead batteries rules" apply to them, in fact
its worst because of the made in china indication...
cordialement,
Philippe
Et si le pot d'échappement sortait au centre du volant ?
quel carburant choisiriez-vous ?
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr
Forum de discussion sur les véhicules électriques
http://vehiculeselectriques.free.fr/Forum/index.php
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From: "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: Silicone batteries?
> On 31 Jan 2006 at 15:08, Evan Tuer wrote:
>
> > The claimed Wh/kg seems to be not far behind the Saft Nicad, for some
> > of their cells.
>
> I don't see that. I may be misreading their text, but it appears that the
> spec page claims 35-42 Wh/kg. However, the "product show" page describes
a
> 2 volt, 100 ah cell (which from the voltage almost has to be a modified
lead
> acid design). That's 200 Wh, right? And it weighs 33.5 kg. So we have
> just under 6 Wh/kg, which makes no sense at all. Has to be an error.
>
> The others on that page are :
>
> 2v 200ah, 15kg, 26.67 Wh/kg
>
> 2v 300ah, 21.9kg, 27.4 Wh/kg
>
> 2v 500ah, 30.2kg, 33.1 Wh/kg
>
> These numbers make more sense, but they aren't significantly better than
> other lead batteries and certainly not in the 35-42 Wh/kg range. Most
> flooded lead batteries run 27-30 Wh/kg, with the best up around 36 Wh/kg.
>
> Also, look at the cycle life curve. It falls to 80% capacity at 350
cycles,
> not really much better than a typical 12 volt marine battery.
>
> As far as I can see, they don't specify at what current the capacity is
> rated, either. Caveat emptor.
>
>
> David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
> EV List Assistant Administrator
>
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