EV Digest 5444
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: EV Charging station - invention disclosure
by "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: EV digest 5440
by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Wheels/Tires and rolling resistance (was Re: EV digest 5440)
by David Brandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Gun Engine?
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: High Voltage Nationals
by "Doc Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) Re: converting a gas mower to electric
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: High Voltage Nationals
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: A night at the Movies, MORE
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Orbital 34DC-36 and 34DC-48, differences and where to buy?
by Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: High Voltage Nationals
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: converting a gas mower to electric
by Joel Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Article 625
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Orbital 34DC-36 and 34DC-48, differences and where to buy?
by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Baylor)
14) Re: High Voltage Nationals
by "Doc Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Raptor Overheating
by "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: converting a gas mower to electric
by "steve clunn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: converting a gas mower to electric, Off to the Races
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Small Brushless wheel motor idea
by Jeff Shanab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19) Fw: Tribeca Film Fellows: Meet the Next Generation of Filmmakers
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: Raptor Overheating
by "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Gun Engine?
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Gun Engine?
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: Gun Engine?
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) RE: converting a gas mower to electric
by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On 5/4/06, Cor van de Water <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Why did I add "invention disclosure" in the title?
Because I think this is a pretty novel Idea and I want to
make it public, so nobody else can claim rights to it and
get in our way ;-)
I'm failrly sure that this idea has been "invented" at least twice
before on this list alone :-)
There has definitely been a discussion about using a pilot signal with
some kind of existing connectors, and it does seem like a good idea.
Wireless? Yes, I've heard it before too, and I believe some people
have used a simple magnet and reed-switch arrangement with existing
connectors to make a safer system.
It was interesting to read about the variety of different (weird, and
incredibly dangerous looking) mains connectors you have in the US.
Over here things are a bit simpler - everyone uses the "EN 60309"
standard connectors which come in 16, 32 and 63A versions, 1 or 3
phase and up to 415V.
Most EVs use the 16A version. For my fast charger I used a 63A 240V
plug and socket which have a pilot signal pin, although I have not
used it. You can also buy "interlocked" switched outlets which don't
let you switch on until the plug is physically inserted, like this:
http://www.lewden.net/lewden/catalogue/1999/rcd/mould.htm
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Chet wrote
"I will be needing to get new tires on my new EV, a 1993 Ford Escort
converted by Soleq. It has currently 165/70 R13 tires, Goodyears in the
front and Michelins in the back, some bulging a bit and others slow
leaking."
"I was curious if there would be any rolling resistance advantage to
going with a larger wheel and a lower profile tire and still retain the
same braking performance and load carrying. (The vehicle with batteries
is a little over 4000 lbs.) I am not concerned too much with cornering
or steering response (other than basic safety) or cushy ride. Are there
other ways to improve the rolling resistance? What replacement tires
could be recommended?"
I had the same problem with my old 1986 solar electric escort. The
weight was up there. The stock escort wheels were like
165/(something)R13. they couldn't get that wide a tire in the goodyear
invictas, so they went 10 mm smaller! The load they were carrying was
in excess of their load rating by several hundred pounds! This led to
all sorts of safety problems going around corners. The car would "wag
it's tail" as the sidewalls flexed back and forth!
The solution was simple. Escort GT wheels. My scrapyard was full of
them and they said they were actually one of the more popular items.
They are 15" wheels, and the stock tire size is P205/65 (I think) R15.
This is an increase, but it really isn't too much, it maintains the
stock tire outer diameter, so there is no speedometer adjustment
needed, and you know they fit! You can go to tirerack.com and enter
the standard escort and the GT escort to find the exact stock tire size
for each. I'm sure I messed up the numbers. These use a larger tire,
but it is needed for the weight! This is probably your easiest, least
expensive option, and your handling will improve.
After talking with a knowledgeable tire guy, I went with Bridgestone
potenza RE910's. They are rated for the load, have a higher max.
pressure (44 psi vs. 35), shorter sidewalls due to the larger wheels,
and they get good traction in wet and dry conditions, plus they are
relatively low resistance due to the compound and tread design (but the
910's are not optimized for that - potenza RE92's are Original
equipment on lots of hybrids, and are more optimized, though IIRC the
treadlife rating for the 92's isn't as good as the rating on the
RE910's). I do believe that energy is wasted when the sidewalls flex
excessively, so shorter, stiffer sidewalls and higher pressures do help
reduce rolling resistance.
I noticed no difference in range, although I can't offer hard data on
that - it's been quite a while, and the vehicle has been sold for some
time. However, the handling difference was like night and day! I
could take corners with confidence, knowing that I wouldn't leave the
road or lose traction, and I didn't have to compensate for
"tail-wagging" anymore. And when it was rainy, I could stop quickly
and retain control.
Sadly, the 910's and the other tires I liked so much on our old ICE
car, Firestone FT70c's, are no longer produced, but similar tires are
available. I'm trying a pair of Fuzion HRi's on my ICE now. They have
a higher pressure rating for the same size tires, and reviews suggest
they improve rolling resistance. Time will tell on these.
David Brandt
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Sorry. My last post with subject "Re: EV digest 5440" should have been
"Re: Wheels/Tires and rolling resistance"
David Brandt
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From: "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: Gun Engine?
> it will be nice to hear comments on the device here :
>
> http://www.tewari.org/Test_Results/test_results.html
>
> check out the other pages of the website too
>
> tony grotz is a qulified professional .. and others who
> commented on the 'engine' are not non-entities either
>
> ..peekay
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Danny Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Gun Engine?
>
>
> > A: Well I'm glad you asked. A standard automotive engine runs on
> > gasoline and produces shaft horsepower. My new Gun engine runs on bunk
> > with a 12-phase cycle due to its internal Fairy Dust coating on all
> > combustion chamber surfaces. It literally breaks all known physical and
> > thermodynamic laws simply by not bothering to learn about them.
> >
> > Of course he's bunk. The flaws in his technical reasoning are many,
> > spackled over with conclusive-sounding wording of a motivational
> > speaker. It's really not worth getting into.
> >
> > Generally any claims featured on a site with "Lightning Power", "Zero
> > Point Energy", and "Magnet-Powered Motors" (not electric motors using
> > magnets, we're talking motors powered by a permanent magnet alone)
> > should be taken with a healthy degree of skepticism.
> >
> > Danny
> >
> > >> Q: How does the Gun-engine differ from standard automotive engines
> > >> that are on the market? What makes your design better?
Good one! Danny<g> He never mentioned the "Flux Crapaciter"to get it
started<g>Where is Tilley, when we need him?
Hope he can make the Races, too?
Bob
> >
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Mike,
The 'Mountain Lightning Racing Team' will be camping out at the track
friday night and would be happy to babysit your bike.
Doc Kennedy, a fellow E-Biker
On 5/4/06, mreish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Just wondering who else is bringing EV's.
I'll be there and a couple of other motorcycle guys too from Michigan.
A quick question/favor to ask: Does anyone have a spot in a trailer
where I can park my bike Friday night? I have a little pickup truck
and don't want the bike tampered with during the night.
Mike
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From: "Mark Hastings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: converting a gas mower to electric
> I have a similar if not the same sears mower. If your tranny is good you
don't need a controller possibly. On mine I just yanked off the blown 15hp
kohler and dropping in an etek. Just a two contactor system. one with a
resistor one without. There used to be an actual etek made with a 1" shaft
that was tapped on the end that would drop right in but I was unable and
still aren't able to find that.
> What I ended up doing is taking apart the ICE and cutting off the shaft.
Then I got an adaptor to fit that shaft with its pulleys to the etek which
ended up being mounded on about 2 1/2" spacers. Not the greatest or possible
best long term way but it has worked for over a season so far. I also kinda
hogtied 40 BB600 cells which I wasn't using for 48 volts of 30 amp nicad
power.
>
Hi All;
Why kid around? Follow Steve Clunn's" Racing Mower". He used a Warp
EIGHT inch motor and 96 volts of Orbitals on hisDixie Chopper (NOT a
Conferderate Air Force Helicopter) Professional mower. Think overkill, but
that thing HAULS! I've had the pleasure!It mows through EVerything, hi grass
, grassy knolls, charging cords, anything in it's path. But Steve is in the
mowing biz, so he doesn't kid around! His Dump Charging outfit in his work
truck is also 'way cool.All his stuff is," Neccessity is the mother of
invention" school of engineering.Oh I almost forgota Curtis controller, to,
ya don't hear the squeel, over the ROAR of the blades!
Seeya
Bob
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From: "Doc Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: High Voltage Nationals
> Mike,
>
> The 'Mountain Lightning Racing Team' will be camping out at the track
> friday night and would be happy to babysit your bike.
>
> Doc Kennedy, a fellow E-Biker
>
Hi Doc;
We can Camp out? Cool. I probably will too, in my trusty, rusty ,Fraud
Van, to savabuk, IF and when it makes it?!
Seeya
Bob
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: A night at the Movies
> Hi EVerybody;
> Hey , for you folks that missed the FIRST showing, of Who Killed the
Electric Car, It's showing at Lowes 34th street theaters in NYC at 1130PM
Tonite. Gees if ANY of these times were, say, mainstreem, like 7pm. But I
can't really complain, as were lucky that it is showing anytime
ANYwhere.Chek out the Trebeca Film Festrival website for OTHER cool movies
and stuff.One of the few cool things about living in NYC.Still time to train
in, guyz!
Seeya
Bob
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And just to throw in another option...How do the
Orbital 34XCD's and Optima Yellow Top (D34
(/78))'s compare? Ignoring, for the moment,
price, which of the three are the best choice or
are all three somewhat similar in overall performance?
Thanks,
Wayne White
Jefferson City, MO
At 07:57 PM 5/3/2006, you wrote:
So I finally made a decision on which battery to go with, the Orbital
34DC-36, called up Auto Supply USA, and they said the only thing they
could do is put me on the waiting list and call me when some are
available.
Here's their page:
http://www.autosupplyusa.com/34deepcycbat.html
So I did some more searching and found out there is another similar
(looks identical to me) model, the 34DC-48. I couldn't find much info
on Exide's site about this battery other than a one line reference in
their 2002 catalog.
I called King Solar and they were much more enthusiastic about being
able to supply them but wanted me to fax over a quote request, which I
just did.
Here are their links:
http://www.kingsolar.com/catalog/mfg/exide/orb34dc36.html
http://www.kingsolar.com/catalog/mfg/exide/34dc48.html
>From their text on the 34DC-36 (officially seems to be the
ORB34DC-36):
$133.00 each (quantity 1 price)
ORB34DC-36 Battery
Select Orbital Sealed VRLA (AGM) Marine Battery, 36 Month Warranty, 12
Volt
FEATURES and BENEFITS
Heavy duty Orbital grid design is vibration-resistant, long-lasting
and maintenance-free.
Completely sealed configuration is ideal for closed environments and
safe to use: no spills, no gas, no maintenance.
Superior off-season voltage retention reduces permanent capacity loss.
More powerful than comparable flat-plate batteries, the Orbital is
spill proof, leak proof, and delivers full power even when submerged
Orbital Deep Cycle
Power for the Long Haul. For continuous charging and recharging over
years of service, Exide's Deep Cycle Orbital battery is our best. Our
heavy-duty Orbital grid design provides the hours of slow-discharge
power you need for trolling motors, depth finders, bilge pumps, lights
and accessories. The orbital design also resists damaging vibration --
greatly increasing battery life. And Exide's advanced technology means
the Orbital is completely sealed and maintenance free, making it safe
to use and ideal for placement in closed environments such as boat
hulls, storage compartments, cabinets, even on it's side.
BCI Group Size: 34
Part Number: orb34dc-36
CCA at 0° F: 750
CA 32°: 950
RC minutes @ 25 amps: 100
Length(inches): 10-1/8
Width(inches): 7
Height(inches): 8
Free Replacement Period: 18 mos.
Free Jump Start: n/a
Ok... so here's their text on the 34DC-48:
$128.20 each (quantity 1 price)
34DC-48 Select Orbital® Deep Cycle Battery
Sealed VRLA (AGM), 36 month, 12 volt, Marine
Exide's revolutionary Orbital Grid Technology takes batteries to a
whole new level. By using tightly wound cylindrical cells, Exide has
created a virtually indestructible starting battery that retains its
capacity, is maintenance free, and will never leak acid.
The exceptionally durable and reliable Exide Orbital is the perfect
choice for your most demanding vehicles.
Features:
BCI Group Number: 34
CCA at O° F: 750
CA 32 ° F: 950
RC minutes @ 25 Amps: 100
Free Repl. Period: 18 mos.
Ok.... so the section saying "takes batteries to a whole new level"
suggests the 34DC-48 is the newer and improved model?
I asked but they wern't sure what the differences were.
Anyone purchased from King Solar before?
Brad Baylor
If those of us who "can", "do" then those of us
who "can't" won't suffer as much from the high prices of excess.
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Can anyone confirm if there is camping available at the track? I'm trying to
figure out how to get
there and camping would really help out. Are there still rooms available at the
Motel 6 for the
rate mentioned on the FVEAA web site? I trying to arrange to fly out and rent a
car, maybe I will
make it out.
Dave Cover
--- Bob Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doc Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:52 AM
> Subject: Re: High Voltage Nationals
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > The 'Mountain Lightning Racing Team' will be camping out at the track
> > friday night and would be happy to babysit your bike.
> >
> > Doc Kennedy, a fellow E-Biker
> >
> Hi Doc;
>
> We can Camp out? Cool. I probably will too, in my trusty, rusty ,Fraud
> Van, to savabuk, IF and when it makes it?!
>
> Seeya
>
> Bob
>
>
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Bob,
I love your humor...what would the EV list be without you?
Hi All;
Why kid around? Follow Steve Clunn's" Racing Mower". He used a Warp
EIGHT inch motor and 96 volts of Orbitals on hisDixie Chopper (NOT a
Conferderate Air Force Helicopter) Professional mower. Think overkill, but
that thing HAULS! I've had the pleasure!It mows through EVerything, hi grass
, grassy knolls, charging cords, anything in it's path. But Steve is in the
mowing biz, so he doesn't kid around! His Dump Charging outfit in his work
truck is also 'way cool.All his stuff is," Neccessity is the mother of
invention" school of engineering.Oh I almost forgota Curtis controller, to,
ya don't hear the squeel, over the ROAR of the blades!
Seeya
Bob
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Peter VanDerWal writes:
>
> ONLY if the AC outlet is "installed specifically" for charging EVs.
> Simple solution, don't install the outlet "specifically" for charging your
> EV.
> Art 625 doesn't say anything about plugging EVs into existing outlets.
> Nowhere in Art 625 does it say that this is forbidden.
My interpretation of Article 625 is that if an AC outlet is installed
and labeled for the purpose of charging electric vehicles, then Article
625 applies. If an outlet is not specifically labeled for recharging
electric vehicles, then it's just an outlet and is regulated like any
other outlet.
To me, this means we can install suitable outlets and use them as we wish,
as long as there is no specific use label on the outlet.
If we want them labeled as "Electric Vehicle Recharging Stations" we need
to either use only 120v outlets or use something like an Avcon system.
If we don't label the outlet as "Electric Vehicle Recharging Stations",
we have to accept that we may find the occaisional RV parked in the spot.
We also have to accept that the parking spot next to the outlet must be
reserved with something other than an "Electric Vehicles Only" sign, lest
this imply that the outlet has a specific purpose.
Ralph
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Ahh.. found this:
DISCONTINUED & SUPERSEDED NUMBERS
...
34DC-48 ... Use ORB34DC-36
from page 9 here:
http://www.fulmen.net/pdf/exide_specs_april_2003.pdf
So the 34DC-36 is the new model.
Brad Baylor
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To all concerning tje campimg at the track.
John Emde said he thought it would be okay but to check the website a week
before the EVent to be sure. I. for one, am counting on it, Gypsy that I am.
Doc, 'Mountain Lightning Team'
On 5/4/06, Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Can anyone confirm if there is camping available at the track? I'm trying
to figure out how to get
there and camping would really help out. Are there still rooms available
at the Motel 6 for the
rate mentioned on the FVEAA web site? I trying to arrange to fly out and
rent a car, maybe I will
make it out.
Dave Cover
--- Bob Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doc Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:52 AM
> Subject: Re: High Voltage Nationals
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > The 'Mountain Lightning Racing Team' will be camping out at the track
> > friday night and would be happy to babysit your bike.
> >
> > Doc Kennedy, a fellow E-Biker
> >
> Hi Doc;
>
> We can Camp out? Cool. I probably will too, in my trusty, rusty
,Fraud
> Van, to savabuk, IF and when it makes it?!
>
> Seeya
>
> Bob
>
>
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The other day, I was happily cruising around with my truck at around 200A
when my controller signaled 'over heating' and sent me to the
right-of-way. Now: I have an DCP-1200 Raptor and it should be able to
manage > 200A continously. After a short break, the LED was cleared, power
restored and I went on driving keeping current at 150A.
It was hot that day but I was going around 65 (= plenty of air pushing
into the engine compartment) and the controllers fan was working
perfectly.
Question: Could that behaviour be considered to be 'normal'? And how would
I be able to improve the situation?
Michaela
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.Hi Mike I may be the most satisfied Ev mower owner on the list , I use
mine for my lawn business somthing cutting more that 10 yards a day with it.
you can see my mower 1/2 down the page at
http://www.grassrootsev.com/projects.htm
I've cut lawns so thin that no gas mower could tuch them. But as I have a 8"
net gain motor and 120v 400 amp crutis con troller ( yes this would run a
car :-) and am running 96v , 8 orbitals,
You could buy one used; or look at one to get ideas for doing your
own conversion.
That's the recommendation I'm getting frequently. There are a couple
within an hours drive from here that I may look at. I like tinkering
though, so I find it more appealing to convert my gas mower to electric -
especially if I could do it for roughly the same cost as buying a 30 year
old electric tractor and bringing it back to working condition.
I think your right here , restoring can be costly , finding the right parts
ect , where the mower you showed is commen , the elec trak is a little like
the ev 1 , a great mower but not common .
I'd like
to get a rough idea of how much it might cost me to do the gas-electric
conversion to compare to the cost of buying one of those old Elec-Traks
(another drawback as I see it for the elec-traks is that most have a front
mount mower deck rather than under the belly, which would make it more
difficult to fit into our garage).
yep ,
The garden tractor style of riding lawm mower is the best start. Cheap
riding mowers are too flimsily built, and can't carry enough batteries
to bother with.
The mower you have would do fine , don't get to hung up on loading it down
with batteies , as a home owner , you could mow for 15 minites then charge
and do other stuff , mow , charge , mow charge .
The one I have is the same as this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7761400583&category=50377&fkxs=1
It's a 14.5 hp tractor with a 42" deck. It seems very sturdy, and should
have room for at least 4 12V batteries (or possibly 6 6v or 8v) batteries.
I'm wondering if it would be better to salvage a motor, controller, etc.
from an old electric golf cart, or find new/used ones. Hell, I could
probably make my own controller I suppose....
yes a golf cart motor would work, if you can fine one with a shaft instead
of a hole, and the old coil of wire controller the used is also good , I
went with the orbitals , cus my discharge is less that an hour, and I
needed the voltage to be hi so as to be close to my EV trucks voltage for
dump charging ,
A friend and I converted his old Wheel Horse garden tractor to electric.
It was a pretty simple process. We replaced the dead 8hp gas engine with
a 1.5hp 24v electric motor, and a separate 24v 3/4hp motor for the mower
deck. We initially used two 12v deep-cycle batteries, but mowing time
was too short (20 minutes). We replaced these to four 6v golf cart
Does it have a manual or hydrostatic tranny? This gas mower has a
hydrostatic (automatic) tranny. I'm not at all familiar with those, so I'm
not sure how the motor will attach to it.
I have the hydrostatic tranny's also , I'd go with one bigger motor and put
it right where the gas was , .
As Rod Hower told me when I was on the fence , Go for it , , and I did :-)
I don't know what was more fun , seeing Bob Rice smoke the tires on my race
truck or mowing the lawn with my ev mower ,
steve clunn
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Hi Joel;
Thanks!Will ya make it to the Races? In Chicagoland? Hope to see ya
there, and a bunch of OTHER EVers.
A Show of Hands, Who ELSE is coming. Lee Hart. Dave Roden , Rod Hower?
Dems a few others in that time zone.
This should be fun, looking forward to it. Now back to workon my
trailer!
Seeya
Bob
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In the past I have heard of people making motors our of altenators. I
was curious and discovered just ho inneficeint claw pole alternators were.
But yesturday I was cruising ebay and came accross a mess of motorcycle
stators and flywheels
like : item number 4586929481
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4586929481&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSII_Pr4_PcY_BIN_Stores_IT
I was thinking that because motorcycles are weight consious, maybe the
stator is more efficient than normal ICE counterpart.
The inside out design would let a person mount a tire/rim to "flywheel"
A set might make an interesting go-cart from hell ??
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Untitled Document Hi EVerybody;
Heres the Trebeca Thing Linl. Have fun, the Who killed the Electric car is
buried in other cool stuff.Still time tio fly in from the coast<g>!
Seeya
Bob
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Pssst. . . MySpace.com/Tribeca Film Festival Secret Screenings
MySpace.com & TFF are showing two free, midnight screenings
this weekend: Too Tough to Die on Friday, May 5th, and Mary on Saturday, May
6th, at the Tribeca Cinemas. Be sure to get there early to enjoy a special
MySpace.com Happy Hour in the Tribeca Cinemas Lower Lounge. Go to
myspace.com/tribecafilmfestival to get your free passes and more information.
Dolby Filmmaker Presentation Panel
Learn how replacing film prints with digital packages can
offer new opportunities at the box office for emerging filmmakers. Friday, May
5, 11:00 am, Tribeca Film Center
Tickets Available
You can still buy tickets online for May 5. Click here to see
what's available.
Schedule Updates
Added screening, venue changes, new panels, and other
updates.
Special Events
The Tribeca Film Festival is more than movies. Keep up to
date on all TFF events.
Featured Sponsor
General Motors is a Signature Sponsor and the Official Vehicle
Provider of this year's Festival. GM's Cadillac and Saturn brands will be
center-stage this year, as GM gives Festival-goers a chance to check out its
newest cars and trucks in displays at various Tribeca Film Festival venues. GM
will also provide courtesy vehicles to Festival VIPs and celebrities for
transportation between Festival venues, including Premiere Night Co-hosted by
Cadillac, the Premiere Night Party Hosted by Cadillac, the Tribeca/ASCAP Music
Lounge Co-Hosted by Saturn, Short Filmmaker Competition Screenings Sponsored by
Saturn and the Short Filmmaker Party Hosted by Saturn.
BEST BETS
MAY 4
Think you're too late to get tickets? Think again. Here are today's
films that will have tickets available at the screening venues. And don't
forget about "door sales" for all general screenings. Go to Buy Like a Pro for
the "door sales" rules and regulations, and never say "sold out" at the Tribeca
Film Festival.
Plus, you can still buy tickets in advance (online or at the Box
Office) for Monday and the rest of the Fest. Visit the guide now to browse and
buy.
TODAY'S AVAILABLE SCREENINGS:
AMC Loews 68th Street
10:00am, Voices of Bam
10:15am, Brother's Shadow
10:30am, Black Sun
1:15pm, New York Waiting
1:45pm, Mentor
4:30pm, Word.Life
5:00pm, A Stadium Story: The Battle for New York's Last Frontier
6:00pm, A Perfect Day
9:30pm, Crime Novel
11:30pm, Kill Your Darlings
11:45pm, First Snow
11:59pm, Too Tough to Die
AMC Loews 34th Street
10:00am, The Play
10:15am, Holiday Makers
10:30am, The Dignity of the Nobodies
10:45am, Golden Venture
11:00am, A Very Serious Person
11:15am, The Mist in the Palm Trees
1:00pm, Animated New York
1:45pm, Tell Me Do You Miss Me
2:15pm, Sounds of Silence
4:00pm, Lockdown, USA
4:15pm, When Fried Eggs Fly
5:15pm, Just Like the Son
6:00pm, Wah-Wah
8:15pm, Blue Blood
8:30pm, Observation Deck
10:30pm, Hatchet
10:45pm, H.C.E.
11:00pm, Boy Culture
11:30pm, Who Killed the Electric Car?
AMC Loews Theater Village VII
10:00am, Metro
10:30am, Two Players from the Bench
11:00am, Follow My Voice: With the Music of Hedwig
1:00pm, Dorothy Day: Don't Call Me a Saint
1:30pm, Brasilia 18%
2:00pm, Shadow of Afghanistan
4:00pm, Punching at the Sun
4:30pm, Zaina, Rider of the Atlas
7:30pm, Men at Work
11:00pm, Land of the Blind
Regal Cinemas
12:00pm, Madeinusa
2:00pm, Sound of the Soul
3:00pm, Hanging Garden
5:00pm, Elephant Tales
8:00pm, East of Paradise
9:00pm, Windows
11:00pm, loudQUIETloud
Museum of Jewish Heritage
12:00pm, Ontic Antics Starring Laurel and Hardy: Bye Molly
3:00pm, Burning Patience
6:00pm, Encounter Point
9:00pm, Barren Lives
Pace University
6:00pm, Leaving Home Coming Home: A Portrait of Robert Frank
9:15pm, A Tribute to Nam June Paik
Tribeca Cinemas
5:30pm, Kill Gil (Volume 1)
Tribeca Performing Arts Center
9:30pm, Snow Cake
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Hi Michaela;
I regularly pull 200 amps plus on the hiway in the Rabbit to go
65-70MPH with my Rapture(Raptor) What amazes me with these critters is how
seldom, MY fan runs. OOh if I use it in to a high gear, or for say stump
pulling, no joke, EV's are great tractors, in the electric locomotive
heritage.
As for it being normal, I wouldn't think so. Maybe the controller garus
can take it from here?
My two watts worth
Bob
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From: "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:51 AM
Subject: Raptor Overheating
>
> The other day, I was happily cruising around with my truck at around 200A
> when my controller signaled 'over heating' and sent me to the
> right-of-way. Now: I have an DCP-1200 Raptor and it should be able to
> manage > 200A continously. After a short break, the LED was cleared, power
> restored and I went on driving keeping current at 150A.
>
> It was hot that day but I was going around 65 (= plenty of air pushing
> into the engine compartment) and the controllers fan was working
> perfectly.
>
> Question: Could that behaviour be considered to be 'normal'? And how would
> I be able to improve the situation?
>
> Michaela
>
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Nobody says boo(they might say ahhhh) when Cedric Lynch goes hundreds of
miles on a charge with his motorcycle. The reason is he uses physics
cleaverly to attain his goals. Low drag & light components are his
friends. If you want super range and functionality that is the only way.
The math never lies and the proof is in the pudding. Lawrence
Rhodes....Show me & I'll believe...........
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When someone sticks this thing on a vehicle and drives from even 100 miles
away I would give it some credibility. Otherwise it's bunk. LR>...........
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From: "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Gun Engine?
it will be nice to hear comments on the device here :
http://www.tewari.org/Test_Results/test_results.html
check out the other pages of the website too
tony grotz is a qulified professional .. and others who
commented on the 'engine' are not non-entities either
..peekay
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From: "Danny Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Gun Engine?
A: Well I'm glad you asked. A standard automotive engine runs on
gasoline and produces shaft horsepower. My new Gun engine runs on bunk
with a 12-phase cycle due to its internal Fairy Dust coating on all
combustion chamber surfaces. It literally breaks all known physical and
thermodynamic laws simply by not bothering to learn about them.
Of course he's bunk. The flaws in his technical reasoning are many,
spackled over with conclusive-sounding wording of a motivational
speaker. It's really not worth getting into.
Generally any claims featured on a site with "Lightning Power", "Zero
Point Energy", and "Magnet-Powered Motors" (not electric motors using
magnets, we're talking motors powered by a permanent magnet alone)
should be taken with a healthy degree of skepticism.
Danny
>> Q: How does the Gun-engine differ from standard automotive engines
>> that are on the market? What makes your design better?
>
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Energy does not come from nowhere
There is energy in the vacuum of space. That is how these claims are made.
Extracting it is something that hasn't been done yet. LR>...........
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Steve, your picture mowbatmoni shows what looks like battery monitors, what
/ where etc did you come up with these? The look pretty heavy duty.
Pedroman
That's a hell of a lawnmower!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of steve clunn
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:01 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: converting a gas mower to electric
.Hi Mike I may be the most satisfied Ev mower owner on the list , I use
mine for my lawn business somthing cutting more that 10 yards a day with it.
you can see my mower 1/2 down the page at
http://www.grassrootsev.com/projects.htm
I've cut lawns so thin that no gas mower could tuch them. But as I have a 8"
net gain motor and 120v 400 amp crutis con troller ( yes this would run a
car :-) and am running 96v , 8 orbitals,
>
You could buy one used; or look at one to get ideas for doing your
>>own conversion.
>
> That's the recommendation I'm getting frequently. There are a couple
> within an hours drive from here that I may look at. I like tinkering
> though, so I find it more appealing to convert my gas mower to electric -
> especially if I could do it for roughly the same cost as buying a 30 year
> old electric tractor and bringing it back to working condition.
I think your right here , restoring can be costly , finding the right parts
ect , where the mower you showed is commen , the elec trak is a little like
the ev 1 , a great mower but not common .
I'd like
> to get a rough idea of how much it might cost me to do the
> gas-electric
> conversion to compare to the cost of buying one of those old Elec-Traks
> (another drawback as I see it for the elec-traks is that most have a front
> mount mower deck rather than under the belly, which would make it more
> difficult to fit into our garage).
yep ,
>
>>The garden tractor style of riding lawm mower is the best start. Cheap
>>riding mowers are too flimsily built, and can't carry enough batteries
>>to bother with.
>
The mower you have would do fine , don't get to hung up on loading it down
with batteies , as a home owner , you could mow for 15 minites then charge
and do other stuff , mow , charge , mow charge .
> The one I have is the same as this one:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7761400583&category
> =50377&fkxs=1
> It's a 14.5 hp tractor with a 42" deck. It seems very sturdy, and should
> have room for at least 4 12V batteries (or possibly 6 6v or 8v) batteries.
> I'm wondering if it would be better to salvage a motor, controller, etc.
> from an old electric golf cart, or find new/used ones. Hell, I could
> probably make my own controller I suppose....
>
yes a golf cart motor would work, if you can fine one with a shaft instead
of a hole, and the old coil of wire controller the used is also good , I
went with the orbitals , cus my discharge is less that an hour, and I
needed the voltage to be hi so as to be close to my EV trucks voltage for
dump charging ,
>>A friend and I converted his old Wheel Horse garden tractor to
>>electric. It was a pretty simple process. We replaced the dead 8hp gas
>>engine with a 1.5hp 24v electric motor, and a separate 24v 3/4hp motor
>>for the mower deck. We initially used two 12v deep-cycle batteries,
>>but mowing time was too short (20 minutes). We replaced these to four
>>6v golf cart
>
> Does it have a manual or hydrostatic tranny? This gas mower has a
> hydrostatic (automatic) tranny. I'm not at all familiar with those, so I'm
> not sure how the motor will attach to it.
>
I have the hydrostatic tranny's also , I'd go with one bigger motor and put
it right where the gas was , .
As Rod Hower told me when I was on the fence , Go for it , , and I did :-)
I don't know what was more fun , seeing Bob Rice smoke the tires on my race
truck or mowing the lawn with my ev mower ,
steve clunn
>
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