EV Digest 5517
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by Meta Bus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by "Joseph H. Strubhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Gadget on the news tonight
by Otmar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by Stefan Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) OT: Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Deciding on paint scheme's for the Saturn
by Ricky Suiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Re: Taperlock dilemma
by Doug Weathers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) Re: Deka AGM vs. Sanyo D nicad (6000 nicad cells in a drag racer)
by john bart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by Ken Trough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) Re: Deciding on paint scheme's for the Saturn
by "Death to All Spammers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by "David Roden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by Bruce Williford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by Nick Viera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) Re: O.T. Mind your Letter Capitalization
by nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by Nick Viera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17) Re: Deciding on paint scheme's for the Saturn
by Ricky Suiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18) Re: MOSFETs vs. IGBTs
by [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Baylor)
19) Re: 12V Weight
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20) Re: O.T. Mind your Letter Capitalization .. and grammar
by "peekay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
21) Re: Deciding on paint scheme's for the Saturn
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
22) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by "Paul G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
23) Re: O.T. Mind your Letter Capitalization .. and grammar
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
24) Re: Batteries in Metro
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
25) Re: Taperlock dilemma
by Mark Farver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
26) Re: 4 electric cars from the Arcane car list. Berkeley CA.
by "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
27) Re: Update on mine...
by "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
28) Re: Deciding on paint scheme's for the Saturn
by Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
29) Re: Deciding on paint scheme's for the Saturn
by "Evan Tuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
30) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
31) Re: O.T. Mind your Letter Capitalization .. and grammar
by Lock Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
32) Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
by Ralph Merwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Ken Trough wrote:
In my opinion, you might want to consider adjusting your thinking <snip>
To think that the entire list (or is it the entire English-speaking
world?) should adjust themselves to a lack of communication skills (or
effort) is... bizarre.
Unless e.e. cummings starts posting EV poetry, I'll be skipping over all
lower-case, myself.
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I have to agree with Mike and Ed - proper spelling and capitialization are
necessary to the survival of the English language. No excuse for improper
communication in my book, regardless of the forum!
Joe
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From: "Mike Chancey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 6:46 PM
Subject: OT: Re: Reminder: Mind your Letter Capitalization
> Ken wrote:
>
> >In my opinion, you might want to consider adjusting your thinking or
> >you may be ignoring a significant portion of the populace that will
> >soon be a majority of those online (if they are not already).
>
> Sorry Ken. I don't buy it. Anything worth doing is worth doing
> right. If you are going to have your name attached to a post forever
> in an archive, you might want to be sure it is worthy of archiving at
> all. I doubt any professors would accept a term paper in all
> lowercase. How about an all lowercase resume? Despite the
> prevalence of text messaging and other such abbreviated forms of
> communication, proper writing skills, sentence structure, and
> vocabulary are still important. You might also want to keep in mind
> that many folks reading the EVDL or the archives may not be native
> English speakers. Continuous run-on sentences do not translate well.
>
> If anyone submits an entry to the Album in all lowercase or all caps,
> it simply will never get approved, ever. Spelling errors I try to
> locate and correct but that is it.
>
> On the EV Tradin' Post I usually retype any incorrect entries. In
> that case it is usually folks who seem less familiar with the
> Internet and submit ads in all caps.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Mike Chancey,
> '88 Civic EV
> Kansas City, Missouri
> EV Photo Album at: http://evalbum.com
> My Electric Car at: http://www.geocities.com/electric_honda
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> Join the EV List at: http://www.madkatz.com/ev/evlist.html
>
> In medio stat virtus - Virtue is in the moderate, not the extreme
> position. (Horace)
>
>
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As long as you use spell check before sending your postings.
Many people post from mobile devices and many of these do not have spell
check (including the one I am using now). Sometimes you just have to do
your best and rely upon your education. 8^)
-Ken Trough
V is for Voltage
http://visforvoltage.com
AIM/YM - ktrough
FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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If you are on the Los Angeles area, the EV segment
that I did with KABC7 news will air tonight.
oooh. I just saw the Teaser it will be on at 5.
In text:
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=consumer&id=3924619
--
-Otmar-
914 EV, California Poppy,
http://evcl.com/914/
http://www.CafeElectric.com/
The Zilla factory has moved to Corvallis Oregon.
Now accepting resumes. Please see:
http://www.cafeelectric.com/jobs.html
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Meta Bus wrote:
Ken Trough wrote:
This method of communication is definitely here to stay and while
many of us over 30 find it glaringly "ugly" to look at, many more
simply see this as the "way things are". I am not advocating that we
all quit using caps and start abbreviating everything. I am just
saying that this represents a major shift in communication technique
by the younger generation and that us older people need to adjust to
what IS rather than what we'd LIKE.
In my opinion, you might want to consider adjusting your thinking <snip>
To think that the entire list (or is it the entire English-speaking
world?) should adjust themselves to a lack of communication skills (or
effort) is... bizarre.
Unless e.e. cummings starts posting EV poetry, I'll be skipping over
all lower-case, myself.
Interesting thinking... gus-guzzling (12mpg?) extra-large vehicles with
lots'o'unnecessary features (power inside mirror? come-on!) are "a major
shift in transportation technology" that we *could* see as just the "way
things are" ;-)
Somehow, I don't think most of the people that read this list are of
that mindset. Many here desire to do what's right, even if it's not what
is currently popular. I believe the operative phrase here is: "be
mindfull of your audience when you speak". Your words will go much
further if presented in a way that those reading it will find most
comfortable.
~ Peanut Gallery ~
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> If anyone submits an entry to the Album in all lowercase or all caps,
> it simply will never get approved, ever. Spelling errors I try to
> locate and correct but that is it.
>
> On the EV Tradin' Post I usually retype any incorrect entries. In
> that case it is usually folks who seem less familiar with the
> Internet and submit ads in all caps.
>
>
Way to keep the faith, Mike! I don't have spellcheck in my (online)
email account, but proofread all posts - I dislike putting mistakes
into the permanent memory of the various archives. I don't have the
wealth of experience of a Madman, who most of us agree is worth
reading no matter his grammatical abilities, so I try to make my posts
as readable as possible.
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http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/667
Alright, I'm trying to figure out what I should do for a paint scheme on my
Saturn. The pictures make it look better than it is. The paint is the original
13 year old paint and is in bad shape with some clear coat failure on several
places so I decided it was time to get the sand paper out. I got about half of
the car preliminarily sanded tonight, but there's still much prep work ahead of
me as I plan on smoothing out the front of the car which has 163K miles worth
of stone chips. I removed the rear wing, which made a noticeable difference in
amp draw at highway speeds so I decided it does not go back on, there are two
small holes I will tack weld shut permanently there.
So ever since I was looking for my Insight in 2002 I wanted a green one, but
could not find one and settled on a red one. All I've ever had was red cars so
I'm opting for something way different. I think I've found the appropriate
color of choice, it's called "Electric Lime Metallic", Paint code 930L and was
used on some late model Saturns.
http://www.saturnofevansville.com/image%5Farchive/ION/quad_coupe/2004/electric_lime/index.htm
So then I started noticing other Saturns of the same modeal as mine which are
just a single color whereas some came two toned like mine, and the two tone
ones deffinitely look much better given the very hard body line which is formed
between the upper and lower body panels.
So how does silver on the bottom with electric lime on the top sound? I'm
also comtemplating possibly putting some ghost lighting bolts on the front of
the car as well. What does everyone think?
Later,
Ricky
02 Insight
92 Saturn SC2 EV 144 Volt
Glendale, AZ USA
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On May 21, 2006, at 9:07 AM, Roland Wiench wrote:
The special design taperlock from Electro Auto have smaller installing
screws where all 6 screws are installing type which would work for
installing the taperlock and flywheel together, but removing this
coupler
still takes a heavy duty locking type puller using a air driven impact
wrench.
Not having a gear puller or a compressor, I was forced to find another
way to remove the Electro Auto coupler. Here's what I did:
1) Remove the flywheel
2) Loosen the bolts that draw the tapered bushing into the taperlock
hub until they stick up a few millimeters above the face of the hub
3) Replace the flywheel
4) Tighten the flywheel bolts until the pressure of the back of the
flywheel on the bushing bolts pushes the tapered bushing out of the
back of the hub
Is that what Roland was trying to do, take the coupler apart after it
had been tightened on the motor shaft? Or am I missing something here?
--
Doug Weathers
Las Cruces, NM, USA
<http://learn-something.blogsite.org/>
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I'm not sure if this is what your looking for, but heres the link
http://www.megawattmotorworks.com/display.asp?dismode=article&artid=53
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 5/14/06 6:41:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Subj: RE: Deka AGM vs. Sanyo D nicad (6000 nicad cells in a drag racer)
Date: 5/14/06 6:41:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Don Cameron)
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-to: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Philippe, I looked on EVAlbum - do you have any further information on this
racer? I have looed on EVAlbum, Nedra and googled this without much luck.
Don
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
see the New Beetle EV project www.cameronsoftware.com/ev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Philippe Borges
Sent: May 14, 2006 3:14 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Re: Deka AGM vs. Sanyo D nicad
if i recall correctly there is an EV drag racer which use (or had used) 6000
nicad D cells. >>
It may have been Ed Dempsy with the old world record streamliner car.(salt
flats racer) Dennis Berube
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Term papers are formal communications. So are resumes. Many people do
not consider forum posts to be formal communications no matter if they
are archived forever or not. Archival doesn't designate formality.
If what you post here is so dreadfully important, perhaps you should
write it down in a leather bound volume with a quill pen in old English.
8^)
Things change. The world changes. Most recognize this and roll with it.
Some will never do so and will complain about things not being like they
were in "the old days". I was just pointing out that the world has moved
on. You can accept that or reject it, but it is a fact.
I post this with all due humility and deference to my elders here who
will never understand it.
-Ken Trough
V is for Voltage
http://visforvoltage.com
AIM/YM - ktrough
FAX/voice message - 206-339-VOLT (8658)
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> So ever since I was looking for my Insight in 2002 I wanted a
green one, but could not find one and settled on a red one. All I've
ever had was red cars so I'm opting for something way different. I
think I've found the appropriate color of choice, it's called
"Electric Lime Metallic", Paint code 930L and was used on some late
model Saturns.
>
http://www.saturnofevansville.com/image%5Farchive/ION/quad_coupe/2004/electric_lime/index.htm
>
Naw, needs to be more GREEN!
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I don't speak for anyone but myself, but I have to admit that my initial
reaction to missing punctuation, lack of capitalization, and poor spelling
is to conclude that the writer is careless and/or poorly educated. Of
course not all who write this way really are, so I guess that's a narrow-
minded reaction on my part. But it's still a genuine one, and I suspect
others react that way too - including plenty of those under 25.
When someone writes carelessly, it hurts me as a reader not at all; but it
may not produce the results the writer wants.
Consider jobhunting. Your skill set may be outstanding, but if you go to
the interview stinking of sweat and wearing torn jeans and T-shirt, you're
apt to lose the job to someone possibly less skilled but who presents a more
professional appearance. That's the reality of the workplace, and the
reality of the educated world is that you'll be taken more seriously if you
write in accordance with accepted standards.
When you post here, feel free to write in whatever manner you like, as long
as you maintain a civil tone. Just recognize that, to some extent, that
manner may determine who responds.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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capitalsandpunctuationreallydohaveaplaceinanymessageifonewantstoexpressa
nideaorsendanymeaningfullinformationeventhoughlotsofthingschangesomethin
gsremainthesameforgenuimereasons
Bruce the Lurker
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Hi all,
Ken Trough wrote:
The result is that an entire generation has now grown up learning this
technique as the "norm", and many of them use it for conversation of all
kinds, even "serious" ones. I would assert that this is considered
perfectly normal and acceptable by almost everyone under 25 years of
age. -snip- This is totally mainstream now.
Here's a sub-25 year old's perspective for you: I disagree with the idea
that this kind of "butchered" English is the "norm" or "mainstream".
I'd say that, in general, its use comes only out of necessity in
applications such as SMS text messaging where full blown keyboards are
uncommon, or for IM/Chat rooms where time may be a limiting factor. But
I challenge the notion that such communication has been accepted as a
replacement for legitimate English.
I realize that, like anything in life, there are people out there who
take the time to do things right, and there are those that just don't
give a shit; doing as little as possible to get by. Then there are those
who use this kind of butchered English because they perceive it to be
cool/unique. Either way, I'd say these people are in the minority, even
considering just my age group.
My experience with AIM, E-mail, and the likes has confirmed that, while
I and many of my friends will use this butchered English, it will be
intermittent and as necessary. I know very few people who deliberately
use such butchered English in anything deemed important/formal, or in
anything that they'd want to be taken seriously about. I believe this is
because most people my age do recognize the value of communicating with
good English when necessary. Or perhaps thats just a good reflection of
the kind of people I hang out with :-)
P.S. While we're discussing bad writing habits, I'm surprised nobody has
brought up the problem of badly quoted e-mail replies...
My 0.333kWh,
--
-Nick
1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
http://go.DriveEV.com/
http://www.ACEAA.org/
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I have read all of these posts with interest.
Being a child of 1979 I consider myself just outside the "under 25"
age bracket and yet I consider punctuation and grammar of the utmost
importance. *grins*
I believe that it's possible to include both full stops and correctly
spelled words in a post without taking too much time writing it. I
consider myself a poor speller and one whose grasp of the English
language to be not all it could be.
However, I would always try to read a post from someone regardless of
how it was presented. My late father was a man who was highly
intelligent, well read and highly skilled but who could-not spell for
toffee. (I'm not sure if you all use that phrase in the US!) It often
took him over five hours to convey his thoughts in a letter because
it took him almost that long to correct his spelling! He was able,
however, most engineering problems which came his way and was a truly
resourceful and educated man. Spell-checkers on computers are fine
if one misspells by a few letters here and there but for anyone with
severe dyslexia the process can be arduously slow!
I'm a music educator amongst other things so perhaps that has an
influence on how I view this.
I do not mind being corrected on my grammar and spelling if someone
else takes the time to correct me. Of course, I also hope that
everyone who makes a post will take all reasonable efforts to make
their posts legible. We can't be 100% right 100% of the time. Of
course, if I were being completely formal that would read: "one
hundred percent"
I have recently left the mainstream education system and teach from
home. One of my motives for doing this was the continued degradation
of the UK education service due to the ever-present race to meet
lofty and pointless government goals. (Over here teachers now spend
more time preparing their students for "regurgitation" style
knowledge tests and "league table SATS" than encouraging creative,
original and truly enlightened thinking. It is the lack of such
original thinking and self-discovery that is breeding a nation of
drones who are taught to not think beyond their own needs.
Sorry, I didn't mean to get political. I shall soon be posting a
'blog about it for anyone who is interested. (www.aminorjourney.co.uk)
Nikki.
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Hi all,
Ken Trough wrote:
The result is that an entire generation has now grown up learning this
technique as the "norm", and many of them use it for conversation of all
kinds, even "serious" ones. I would assert that this is considered
perfectly normal and acceptable by almost everyone under 25 years of
age. -snip- This is totally mainstream now.
Here's a sub-25 year old's perspective for you: I disagree with the idea
that this kind of "butchered" English is the "norm" or "mainstream".
I'd say that, in general, its use comes only out of necessity in
applications such as SMS text messaging where full blown keyboards are
uncommon, or for IM/Chat rooms where time may be a limiting factor. But
I challenge the notion that such communication has been accepted as a
replacement for legitimate English.
I realize that, like anything in life, there are people out there who
take the time to do things right, and there are those that just don't
give a shit; doing as little as possible to get by. Then there are those
who use this kind of butchered English because they perceive it to be
cool/unique. Either way, I'd say these people are in the minority, even
considering just my age group.
My experience with AIM, E-mail, and the likes has confirmed that, while
I and many of my friends will use this butchered English, it will be
intermittent and as necessary. I know very few people who deliberately
use such butchered English in anything deemed important/formal, or in
anything that they'd want to be taken seriously about. I believe this is
because most people my age do recognize the value of communicating with
good English when necessary. Or perhaps thats just a good reflection of
the kind of people I hang out with :-)
P.S. While we're discussing bad writing habits, I'm surprised nobody has
brought up the problem of badly quoted e-mail replies...
My 0.333kWh,
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-Nick
1988 Jeep Cherokee 4x4 EV
http://go.DriveEV.com/
http://www.ACEAA.org/
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The pictures probably don't show it quite properly. I've seen a few of these in
person and I recall them being a tad more green than the pictures. It's really
close to the Insight Citrus Yellow aka "Space Alien Green" color. Although
lighting conditions will varry it a lot.
Some other pictures:
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/521313
http://www.redlinevue.com/
http://www.carsmart.com/content/research/index.cfm/aid/139276/action/showarticle
I am debating on whether to go a few shades more green though. It is nice
having a light color car in Arizona though.
Death to All Spammers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So ever since I was looking for my Insight in 2002 I wanted a
green one, but could not find one and settled on a red one. All I've
ever had was red cars so I'm opting for something way different. I
think I've found the appropriate color of choice, it's called
"Electric Lime Metallic", Paint code 930L and was used on some late
model Saturns.
>
http://www.saturnofevansville.com/image%5Farchive/ION/quad_coupe/2004/electric_lime/index.htm
>
Naw, needs to be more GREEN!
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Thanks everyone for your comments!
Based on what was said here about max voltage ratings, I'm now
considering the Ixys IXFN 80N50, 80 A 500 V 55 mohm MOSFET. Costs
about the same, but I'll have to use a few more.
http://www.ixys.com/98538.pdf
How about current ratings? Also design in a 100% safety margin?
Brad Baylor
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On May 21, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Bill Dennis wrote:
My conversion has gotten to the point of working on the 12V system,
and I
was wondering about the battery weight vs. having no battery. On the
face
of it, it seems like you'd get more energy out of a PbA than you would
burn
in the extra weight of carrying it around, so you'd be using less
energy
from the traction pack and thus extend range somewhat. But a 50Ah
cell at
12V would give around 600Wh, so maybe extend range by 3 miles for a car
getting 200Wh/mile. If you lost half of that by having to carry
around the
extra weight, then you'd get an extra 1.5 miles.
I don't think you will able to measure the loss of range on the street
for things that add or subtract 5% (or less) to a vehicles weight.
The 12v accessory battery generally won't take any load off the DC to
DC converter. The only way to get the battery to do that is to let the
"12 volt" system (actually more like 14 volt) drop under 12.6 volts so
the battery will supply the power instead of the DC to DC. That voltage
drop will be noticeable in a largely stock 12 volt wiring system (slow
heater fan, yellow headlights...)
If you have any computer systems I think you should retain at least a
small 12 volt system battery, or possibly just a auto sound
supercapacitor. Turning the headlights on can crash the 12 volt system
voltage for just an instant. The light system may draw only 10 amps,
but may try to demand 10x that (or knock the system voltage down
trying) for just an instant when first turned on.
Paul "neon" G.
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From: "nikki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I have read all of these posts with interest.
me too .. it was rather 'disturbing' to read emails and business
mails from sellers on ebay .. check this out :
'your right' ..
this is not about an rights or duties .. it meant " you are right"
' we except checks' ..
this is not about payments in any form 'except' checks
this is not about checks and balances ..
this is about "we accept cheques"
took me an awful long time to figure out that this new
way was soooo widespread that correcting it is impossible
i learnt to live with it
about capitalization .. all caps means screaming on emails ..
all smalls is almost 'standard' ..
the first letter of any word AFTER a full stop is always to
start with a capital letter ..
but with the newer keyboard based inputting methods on pc's
newer 'punctuation' marks aka simleys and newer ways of
communicating emotions and feelings have become widely
accepted
we can concentrate on trying to be perfect in our grammar
and punctuations, capitalisations and verb constructs ..
or .. more 'normally' .. sadly for sure .. we can 'accept'
the 'exceptions' and understand their 'excellent' ideas born
out of their very valuable experience and expertise.
maybe we can allow a bit more 'flexibiltiy' in groups ..
this is an entirely personal thing
..peekay
Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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On May 22, 2006, at 11:08 PM, Ricky Suiter wrote:
I am debating on whether to go a few shades more green though. It is
nice having a light color car in Arizona though.
You may have to go to an auto paint store and actually look at the
chips. This can be very deceptive too, colors appear much louder when
they cover a car compared to the chip. Still, I think the Saturn green
you are looking at may be to light (and a bit to yellow) to go well
with silver. I like your idea of keeping the silver bottom because you
may be able to get away without repainting the lower part of the car. I
have found a couple of ideas that I like (subject to seeing the actual
chips along side a chip of your silver).
The first is a Yaris sedan green 2007 Jade Sea Metallic, the second is
the 2007 Camry Aloe Green Metallic. Visit Toyota.com to find them.
Paul G.
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On May 22, 2006, at 10:04 PM, Bruce Williford wrote:
capitalsandpunctuationreallydohaveaplaceinanymessageifonewantstoexpress
anideaorsendanymeaningfullinformationeventhoughlotsofthingschangesometh
ingsremainthesameforgenuimereasons
You misspelled "meaningful" and "genuine."
Have a nice day :-)
Paul G.
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"Re: Deciding on paint scheme's for the Saturn"
When in doubt, use an apostrophe. Warns people so they are able to
brace for any upcoming "s".
Danny
peekay wrote:
we can concentrate on trying to be perfect in our grammar
and punctuations, capitalisations and verb constructs ..
or .. more 'normally' .. sadly for sure .. we can 'accept'
the 'exceptions' and understand their 'excellent' ideas born
out of their very valuable experience and expertise.
maybe we can allow a bit more 'flexibiltiy' in groups ..
this is an entirely personal thing
..peekay
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The kit looks nice but I'd opt for a Zilla rather than a 1231 Curtis. Only
200 dollar difference. Also to cheap out a bit I'd go 72v with 12 6v
Golfcart batteries & use a Altrax 72v controller with a bypass. Lawrence
Rhodes......
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From: "Bill Dennis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Batteries in Metro
If you the Metro is between 1989 and 1999, you might want to consider this
kit from Can EV. He gets 5 batteries under the hood, and 7 underneath the
read seat: http://www.canev.com/KitsComp/GeoKit/Geo-Kit.html
Bill Dennis
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of B Eskridge
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 10:12 AM
To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu
Subject: Batteries in Metro
Hello,
I am considering converting a Metro 3 Dr. to an EV for commuting and
fun.
In practice how many batteries is it possible to get under the hood at
the
front? I am specifically thinking of theTrojan 105 series.
Thanks!
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Dave Cover wrote:
Suppose you had a brand new shiny taperlock hub. You waited a long time to get
it and were anxious
to install your motor to build your EV. But there was a problem. The vendor
drilled the holes
wrong so you cannot bolt your clutch to the hub.
Since you don't specify why you think its incorrect... I'll make one
suggestion. Flywheels often look like the holes are drilled equidistant
around the center, but often they are not. It the bolts aren't lining
up you might need to do something as simple as rotating the flywheel
around the center point until the holes match up.
Mark
Would there be a problem with throwing out the
bolts and having the hub welded directly to the flywheel? Isn't this what
Gadget recommends. I was
planning on having the flywheel machined to lighten it, maybe I can find a
machine shop that could
do both procedures at the same time. It would probably be the fastest way to
fix the problem. I'm
not worried about the longevity of the flywheel, it won't be getting much abuse
anymore. And I'm
not interested in taking the time to send the hub back to have them do it
right. I just want to
get the car together.
Thanks
Dave Cover
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Yahoo! Groups Links. Arcane list info.
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From: "Bob Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: 4 electric cars from the Arcane car list. Berkeley CA.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lawrence Rhodes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@listproc.sjsu.edu>;
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "SFEVA"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:54 PM
Subject: 4 electric cars from the Arcane car list. Berkeley CA.
http://www.craigslist.org/eby/car/162689733.html The arcaners are great
scroungers. They find much more stuff than we do. It's a good idea to
watch their list.
Hi All;
What's an " arcaner" ('s) A Left Coast term? Craig's List is 'way cool.
I have used it for mundane stuff, like selling a boat, buying a washer and
fridge. Best, it's FREE! Do we have an Arcane Car List here in the Big
East?
Seeya
Bob
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On 5/21/06, nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, I took out the standard loom today and had a we look at the
car's underside. It looks as though I can get at least one lead-acid
battery per side underneath the passenger seat, four in the trunk and
another six up front. That should leave me with a 112 volt system if
I go for 12vs.
Hi Nikki.
I make it 144V? :)
Try under the back seat too, there's usually room for a few either
side of the prop shaft.
Keeping as much weight in-board of the axles is a good idea if possible.
Does anyone have a good UK source for getting deep charge batteries
from? I'm wanting to see what sort of dimensions I will need to bear
in mind for the battery compartments.
I use http://windandsun.co.uk/ a lot, as I do renewable energy stuff.
They can supply Trojan batteries (including the flooded "golf cart"
type) and also 12V concorde AGM batteries (sealed).
I would avoid 12V flooded "leisure" batteries, since they don't tend
to last very long.
Orbital batteries (very popular amongst the high performance crowd)
are also available in the UK, but they are rather expensive and I
can't recommend a supplier (just googled this one:
http://www.rthursby.co.uk/acatalog/deep_cycle.html)
For dimensions, it's best to download the datasheets from the
respective manufacturers.
By the way, interesting blog!
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I would do something "extra" to make it noticeable. If it's just another Saturn
with factory
colors, it will blend in. You want it to stand out so people will take a second
look. Maybe you
can add a brighter base coat to bring out the color. Maybe some extra metal
flake or a few more
layers of clear coat. If you are having it painted, some of these extra steps
don't add a lot of
extra cost. But the impact is noticeable. Of course, you could add lightening
bolts and a big "EV"
on the hood.
Dave Cover
(I's dotted, T's crossed and spell checked. Just can't remember my apostrophe
rules.)
--- Death to All Spammers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So ever since I was looking for my Insight in 2002 I wanted a
> green one, but could not find one and settled on a red one. All I've
> ever had was red cars so I'm opting for something way different. I
> think I've found the appropriate color of choice, it's called
> "Electric Lime Metallic", Paint code 930L and was used on some late
> model Saturns.
> >
> http://www.saturnofevansville.com/image%5Farchive/ION/quad_coupe/2004/electric_lime/index.htm
> >
>
> Naw, needs to be more GREEN!
>
>
>
>
>
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On 5/23/06, Dave Cover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(I's dotted, T's crossed and spell checked. Just can't remember my apostrophe
rules.)
A quick guide: http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif
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Nick Viera wrote:
P.S. While we're discussing bad writing habits, I'm surprised nobody
has brought up the problem of badly quoted e-mail replies...
My 0.333kWh,
. . . or the use of phrases repetitively, profanity, or salutations. It
is extremely hard to find a degree of creditability in someone who is
insistent upon lowering their demeanor merely to add emphasis to a
point. Passion is one thing if the subject matter warrants it, warrant
less complaining is another message thread altogether. This whole
discussion of how to compose messages is distracting to the threads
purpose. I've lamented about commenting on such topics as it only seems
to acerbate the problem, with replies growing more intense over petty
issues such as syntax. I find it hard to believe this is of such great
concern - whether or not someone uses upper or lower case letters, or
other grammatic mistakes. I treat each email message equally with
importance. It is, after all, the pursuit of knowledge and information
that each of us has subscribed to the email list, from the charter:
[the]EV Electric Vehicle Discussion Mailing List is intended to provide
a forum to discuss the current state of the art and future direction of
electric vehicles. It is *not* intended to discuss either EV
appropriateness or comparisons with other transportation primary drive
modes such as the venerable internal combustion engine. Those
"discussions" are best relegated to the appropriate usenet newsgroup.
Perhaps there should be mention of punctuation, syntax, etc as a
requirement of the thread? In the event I've failed to use such
punctuation, proper formatting, or perhaps misspelled a word or two, or
even totally ignored sentence structure - I apologize. This will be my
only contribution to this topic (however pointless it is) in hopes that
it dies here. Best of luck and wish to those in pursuit of such, it is
personal opinion (having personally hosted many forums) you will only
stifle some readers from participating in what could otherwise abet a
meaningful contribution on their part.
Ralph (the newbie that only wants to hear about EV stuff, regardless of
punctuation, syntax, formating, or choice of words).
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--- peekay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> maybe we can allow a bit more 'flexibiltiy' in groups ..
Altaucly pkeaey, tnurs out tehre can be a lot of fbxltilieiy!
I'm jsut not srue tihs mekas tnihgs any eiaesr for EyreVnoe esle
tuohgh...
We need the cVEiaonotnnl as mcuh as we need the uvtcninoeanonl.
Cehres!
Lcok
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Ken Trough writes:
>
> Term papers are formal communications. So are resumes. Many people do
> not consider forum posts to be formal communications no matter if they
> are archived forever or not. Archival doesn't designate formality.
>
> If what you post here is so dreadfully important, perhaps you should
> write it down in a leather bound volume with a quill pen in old English.
> 8^)
>
> Things change. The world changes. Most recognize this and roll with it.
> Some will never do so and will complain about things not being like they
> were in "the old days". I was just pointing out that the world has moved
> on. You can accept that or reject it, but it is a fact.
Part of the changed world is that it is now common for employers to
do a simple Internet search for a prospective employee's name, just
to see what pops up. So even your informal postings are open to
unexpected scrutiny...
Ralph
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