EV Digest 6330
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Using GPS for measure performance (was Re: wind resistance ( was where to
start )
by "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2) RE: EVs in Edmonton
by "Myles Twete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3) Re: super skinny/hard tires .. thin tyres in the 69 psi
by Danny Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4) Re: Lower price (and available) configurations
by "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5) RE: Using GPS for measure performance (was Re: wind resistance ( was
where to start )
by "Randy Burleson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6) RE: EVs in Edmonton
by Don Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7) Re: I Need You to Blitz GM Like Never Before, More Comments.
by Martin Klingensmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8) Using GPS for measure performance (was Re: wind resistance ( was
where to start )
by "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9) EVLN(Irondequoit HS solar-electric race car)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10) EVLN(20+ Dodge Sprinter pih's)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11) EVLN(I can see the day when everyone will use an EV)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12) EVLN(Leno: EVs are like pulling down the pants of a Ken doll)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13) EVLN(Phoenix Motorcars received 75 fleet orders)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14) EVLN(UQM Receives $9.25M Order From Phoenix Motorcars)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15) EVLN(Miles ZX40 EV)
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16) EVLN(Utility keeps EVs from 'being stuck in Lodi')
by bruce parmenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I've mainly only used the older Motorola Oncore, but the altitude was
always as accurate as the lat/long,and they both had similar
accuracies when they weren't within 1m or so.
I've found from speaking to other people that the more commercial
modular type of GPS tend to be more stable, perhaps because they're
destined to be used in third party application hardware. I was going
to suggest you had an antenna problem but you beat me to that by
saying your lat/long were stable.
Perhaps there's a firmware update fix for it if it is a known
problem with your particular model.
Chris
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Peter VanDerWal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Hmm, I've been thinking about doing something similar but I've
noticed an
> odd behavior from my GPS.
> FWIW My gps is a USB puck plugged into a laptop.
>
> Anyway, I was setting up one of these cheap weather stations that
measure
> barometric preassure so I needed to know my altitude. No problem,
check
> it with the GPS.
>
> The problem is, the altitude reading isn't stable. It cycles
through
> readings that vary by up to ~70 feet. The swing takes maybe a
minute to
> go from high to low and then starts up again. Not a big deal for a
weather
> station, but getting the size of a hill wrong by 70 feet can really
throw
> off your calculations when figuring EV performance.
>
> Does anyone else notice the same kind of behavior from their GPS,
or is
> there something wrong with mine? The Lat/Long is spot on, well
within a
> few feet, and it doesn't vary nearly as much.
>
> >
> > I'm converting my other mini. I've been doing some experiments to
> > measure the resistance. It should be possible to find the
resistance
> > using only a GPS.
> >
> > I've been coasting down hills in neutral at the terminal
velocity. From
> > the GPS I know my rate of climb & my velocity. I can calculate the
> > change in gravitational potential energy, and hence the power
used to
> > overcome the resistance (aero, tyres & driveline in neutral).
> >
> > Has anyone done this? Do the results compare well with other
> > measurements? My initial data suggests 7.5-10kW at 95km/h for my
Mini
> > with 145/60R12 Bridgestone Sneaker tyres at 44psi (you quote
8.9kW at
> > 96km/h). I've got to do some more work before I can bring the
margin of
> > error down, and I have to work out if the vertical component is
included
> > in my velocity.
> >
> > My goal is to have a webpage where you upload a gps track and it
plots
> > some graphs showing the net power. If you know where in the track
you
> > were coasting then you can read your resistance power at that
speed.
> >
> > Would anyone be interested?
> >
> >
>
>
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Mark Fowler asked:
> What sort of EV action is there in Edmonton?
> (Not an awful lot mentioned in the archives.)
> What about other nearby places?
If you're into old-timey electrics, there's the Reynolds-Alberta Museum in
Wetaskiwin, due south from Edmonton...I couldn't tell ya how far it is...
Anyway, at the museum they have at least a couple early electric cars
including a pristine 1912 Model 1B Hupp-Yeats "DeLuxe" Coupe with roughly
400km on it. In the automotive literature of the day, the DeLuxe coupe ($4k
new in 1911/12) had all its inside metal 22kt gold plated and the outside
metal 10kt gold plated. The museum folks weren't aware of that fact...er,
at least, the fact that it was "advertised" as being gold plated.
If you do go there, please email me any pics you take of that DeLuxe coupe
as I'm building a Model 1A "Regent" from bare chassis and many of the
details were the same.
Here's the DeLuxe:
http://www.cd.gov.ab.ca/enjoying_alberta/museums_historic_sites/site_listing
s/reynolds_alberta_museum/museum_themes/transportation/collection/1911_HuppY
eats.asp
Here's my project...: http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1018
Two pioneering aspects of the Hupp-Yeats electrics was their direct-drive
and the very low body and chassis---they led the field of electrics in that
regard. Strangely, despite having made probably between 1200-2000
electrics, only 2 complete vehicles seem to have survived. Mine would make
a third when complete...
-Myles Twete, Portland, Or.
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All gases are effectively approximated by Ideal Gas Laws at these temps
and pressures.
IGL says all gases will expand (or increase in pressure, if volume is
constrained) the same way with temp increases.
Condensation in the tire would be different, since the substance
undergoes a phase change from liquid to gas.
Different gases require different amounts of thermal energy to increase
in temp. However, I doubt this is significant, the steady state temp
should be determined by a balance of rolling resistance putting in heat
and the walls dissipating it out, neither of which are changed by the
gas type. Note the heat originates in the outer wall and is lost
through the outer wall, the thermal conductivity of the gas is generally
not involved in the process. Well a highly conductive gas will help
conduct some heat to the rim where it will be dissipated, but that
sounds fairly minor.
Thermal mass of the gas may slightly increase or decrease the time to
reach the steady state temp, but it doesn't sound significant at all.
Thermal mass of a few grams of any gas is quite negligible.
And as noted, air is already 79% nitrogen, oxygen being most of the
remainder. What could possibly by gained by an expensive process to
replacing the last 21%? If you told me oxygen degraded tire rubber,
it'd be interesting to listen to, but the idea that it's going to run
better sounds unjustified.
Danny
GWMobile wrote:
Does pure nitrogen has a smaller expansion with heat thus keeping
pressure constant?
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>>www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv.shtml has some numbers that might be
>>interesting for LRR, Aero Drag and Driveline losses.
>>It states "For passenger cars, a 5-7% reduction in rolling
>>resistance increases fuel efficiency by 1%. However, these
>>improvements must be balanced against traction, durabillity, and
>>noise." So according to these numbers only a 1% is usually achieved,
>>which is in direct conflict with the above numbers from John.
I think you are missing something here. A %5 reduction is going from a
tire with a crr of 0.015 to 0.01425.
Switching from 0.015 to 0.007 represents a 54% reduction in rr.
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> The problem is, the altitude reading isn't stable. It cycles
> through readings that vary by up to ~70 feet. The swing takes
> maybe a minute to go from high to low and then starts up again.
>
> Does anyone else notice the same kind of behavior from their GPS,
> or is there something wrong with mine? The Lat/Long is spot on,
> well within a few feet, and it doesn't vary nearly as much.
This is just part of the technology -- pretty much all GPD devices
suffer from it.
Visualize the highly acute angle of inclination to satellites on the
horizon, and the distance that the information has to travel, as
compared to the relatively steep angle and shorter distance to receive
information from an overhead satellite... the degree of error is much
more significant applied against the longer distances, working the
smaller angles to calculate Z, as opposed to the shorter distances and
larger angles to calculate X and Y.
More expensive Differential GPS technologies reference a land-based
signal that helps dial in even closer, but they, too, are more accurate
in X and Y than Z.
Randii
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Hi Mark,
At least you have the spring to look forward to! Edmonton has c-c-c-old
winters...
Since Alberta is "oil country", I am not sure there are too many EVers
there. The EVAlbum lists a couple of people, might want to send them a
personal email note.
If you get out to the coast, give us a shout...
Don
Don Cameron, Victoria, BC, Canada
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Fowler
Sent: January 22, 2007 5:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: EVs in Edmonton
Hi all,
Well the Fowler family has relocated from Sydney, Austrlia to Edmonton,
Canada for the year of 2007.
(We had to leave the EV behind, but it's in good hands. I hope :-)
What sort of EV action is there in Edmonton?
(Not an awful lot mentioned in the archives.)
What about other nearby places? (Yes, I know, nearby is a relative
term.)
We'll be doing a bit of travelling during the school breaks.
Mark
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Both of you are jumping the gun on attacking me. All I said was that we
don't have a reason to NOT tell GM we'd like to see them build the car.
That's all I said. I'm not falling into any PR trap.
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Martin K
Bob Rice wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michaela Merz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Martin K" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 9:45 AM
> Subject: Re: I Need You to Blitz GM Like Never Before
>
>
>
>> Martin:
>>
>> You are about to fall into GM's public relations trap. I am sure that some
>> guy in tie and suit is giggling about how his sting got GM some good
>> headlines. GM will never built the 'Volt' - at least not as long as they
>> can sell their cheapo gas guzzlers. They are not serious, never have been.
>>
>> Michaela
>>
>>
> Right on Michaela!
>
>>> This may be true, but I don't think it hurts to try. We don't have an
>>> affordable real EV car available so it's not like we're in a position to
>>> spite GM over their past fallacies.
>>> --
>>> Martin K
>>>
>
>
>>> I hope we DO have the beginnings of some production EV's. Lee is
>>>
> working on the Sunrise , all it takes is a bit of money. Retired, so don't
> have as much as I usta! Jerry is about to roll out the Freedom, but they
> aren't 'There" quite yet. But a hellova lot closer than last year.I'm not
> begging for money here. I hope the cars will speak for themselves, soon,
> never TOO soon. Gas WILL go up again, the Oil Co's are just waiting for
> something to happen, somewhere, that they can use as an excuse. Hurricane,
> somebody farts in the Middle East? They can come up with some pretty
> creative excuses. We have to be ready! Maybe if Jerry or Lee sold some
> stock? Isn't that how Henry Ford started? Or could get some sort of loan
> from the EV community? I would go for an interest free type loan, if it
> could come to that? How many guyz, an' gals on the List? Over a thou?
> EVerybody kicked in two bux a month? Or; (gasp!) 5 or 10?? Still less than
> going to a movie in NYC! Most of us come in between, somewhere: buying a
> Tesla, to just getting by from paycheck to paycheck? I mean like we COULD
> throw a bit of seed money when it comes time.OK I'll stop, now. No Begathons
> yet! Just some brainstorms; bring it on back!
>
>
>>> Doug McKee wrote:
>>>
>>>> I feel many are missing a small point. GM already had one and for
>>>> reasons of their own, plus the oil guys, unfettered by the fed, etc,.,
>>>> etc., decided to crush the project. The volt won't be ready for about
>>>> 3-5 years at the earliest, which is, believe me, the calculated time
>>>>
> the
>
>>>> American public will remain apathetically inactive and the automakers
>>>> and oil guys can ignore us with impunity.
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>
> And they will! "Stay the course" as our Dear Leader sez! And how many
> Sheeple say; " Geees! I NEVER knew all this actually happened", after seeing
> WKtEC, and" I lent out your DVD to the guyz at work" Why I rarely "see" my
> copies of WKtEV!
>
>
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On the back of that, I think I remember reading about somebodies kit,
I think it was a trimble, which gave you an option to ignore some
satellites, or set a viewing window angle to suit your needs....It
might be worth looking into.
Satellites furthest away from you will give the best lat/long and it
may be your system prefers using those when they're available, I
wonder what would happen or if there would be an improvement if you
made a circular shield which put the horizon out of sight and forced
acquisition of nearer satellites instead ?
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Randy Burleson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> > The problem is, the altitude reading isn't stable. It cycles
> > through readings that vary by up to ~70 feet. The swing takes
> > maybe a minute to go from high to low and then starts up again.
> >
> > Does anyone else notice the same kind of behavior from their GPS,
> > or is there something wrong with mine? The Lat/Long is spot on,
> > well within a few feet, and it doesn't vary nearly as much.
>
> This is just part of the technology -- pretty much all GPD devices
> suffer from it.
>
> Visualize the highly acute angle of inclination to satellites on the
> horizon, and the distance that the information has to travel, as
> compared to the relatively steep angle and shorter distance to
receive
> information from an overhead satellite... the degree of error is
much
> more significant applied against the longer distances, working the
> smaller angles to calculate Z, as opposed to the shorter distances
and
> larger angles to calculate X and Y.
>
> More expensive Differential GPS technologies reference a land-based
> signal that helps dial in even closer, but they, too, are more
accurate
> in X and Y than Z.
>
> Randii
>
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http://www.democratandchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070120/NEWS01/701200314/1002/NEWS
Solar car is hot on road
Irondequoit High team's vehicle has won awards for performance
Erica Bryant Staff writer
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CARLOS ORTIZ staff photographer Irondequoit High School
10th-graders Andy VanDorn, left, and Allan Hollister helped
design Zodiac, the schools champion solar-electric race car. The
vehicle can now be seen at the Rochester Museum & Science Center.
]
(January 20, 2007) IRONDEQUOIT People who have missed
Irondequoit High School's champion solar-electric race car
zipping down St. Paul Boulevard or Titus Avenue can see the
vehicle at the Rochester Museum & Science Center that is starting
today.
Plans for the car, named Zodiac, sprung from an after-school
activity at Irondequoit High School in 1999. With the help of
donations, including solar panels from Siemens Solar, a group of
teachers, students and volunteer engineers designed and built
this solar-electric car from scratch.
Since 2001, the Zodiac team has competed in the Tour de Sol, an
efficiency race held each spring as part of the Great American
Green Transportation Festival.
Victory is determined by how far racers can travel on a certain
amount of energy. Zodiac has won the one-person solar-assisted
electric vehicle category twice, including last year when the
competition was held in Saratoga Springs.
These victories are made more impressive by the fact that most
teams in the Tour de Sol are made up of college students, some of
whom come from as far away as India to compete.
On Jan. 27 and Feb 3, the Zodiac team will be at the museum
between 11 a.m. and 4 p.m. to answer questions about their
vehicle, which weighs about 1,400 pounds and can go up to 45
miles per hour.
People used to Rochester weather will probably want to know
whether the car can run when it's cloudy, dark or raining. Eric
Kazukiewicz, one of the four Irondequoit High School technology
teachers who run the project, explains that the car's battery can
also be charged with a charger that connects to a regular
electrical outlet.
Under ideal circumstances, "It's designed as a commuter car that
can be parked to charge in the sun all day and then driven home,"
he said.
In the spring, the team will start driving the car around
Irondequoit to train for racing season. The high cost of solar
technology makes it unlikely that cars such as Zodiac will be on
the market any time soon, but Kazukiewicz said that the students
who were involved see a real need to work to develop alternative
energy sources.
The exhibit, part of an effort to highlight invention and
innovation in the Rochester area, is free with museum admission
and will run through Feb. 9.
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DaimlerChrysler is the Only Manufacturer Building and Testing
Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles with Lithium-Ion Battery Technology in
Customer Fleets
- Lithium-ion battery research will accelerate future hybrid
development
- DaimlerChrysler investigates plug-in technology with test
fleet
- Dodge Sprinter Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle (PHEV) can drive
up to 20 real-world miles on electric-only power
- Industry first PHEV combined with diesel for maximum fuel
efficiency
AUBURN HILLS, Mich., Jan. 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- More than
20 Dodge Sprinter Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicles (PHEV) will be
placed in the United States between now and the first quarter of
2008 as part of a test fleet program. Four of the vehicles are
already in operation with customers. DaimlerChrysler is the only
auto manufacturer currently evaluating a variety of plug-in
hybrid powertrain configurations under customer-operation
conditions in real-world service.
[...] Lithium ion holds the greatest promise for battery
technology. A number of the Dodge Sprinter PHEVs are equipped
with lithium ion batteries which are about half the weight and
have much greater storage capacities when compared to nickel-
metal hydride batteries. The vehicles will yield technical
information through real world driving conditions about
lifetime, performance and cost of batteries.
"The future of plug-in hybrid technology rests on a number of
improvements, the most significant being batteries," said Dr.
Andreas Truckenbrodt, Executive Director - DaimlerChrysler Hybrid
Programs. "The battery systems in the PHEV Sprinter continue to
provide valuable data on the possibilities with lithium-ion
technology."
Plug-in technology lends itself to commercial applications in
which the vehicle returns to base after each shift to be plugged
into the power grid but also works well in urban traffic
situations for daily commuters.
Based on Mercedes-Benz commercial vehicle technology, the Dodge
Sprinter PHEV has the ability to drive up to 20 miles on
electric-only power. It accomplishes this with a switch on the
dashboard giving the operator the ability to manually switch
between modes as needed, or automatically by the vehicle control
system. Two different combustion engines are being offered in the
PHEV - diesel or gasoline. The diesel version will yield the
highest fuel economy benefit and is the first fleet test of a
diesel plug-in hybrid system.
Plug-in hybrid technology is part of DaimlerChrysler's advanced
propulsion technology umbrella, which also includes exceptionally
efficient gasoline engines, advanced diesel technology, ethanol
flex-fuel and zero-emission fuel cell vehicles.
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Friday » January 19 » 2007 Scooters can be life-changing
Times Colonist CREDIT: Darren Stone, Times Colonist
SCOOTERS: A man drives his scooter despite Victoria's recent
snowy conditions. One letter-writer lauds the freedom his small
electric vehicle affords him, while others point to problems
associated with scooters and offer possible solutions.
Sixty years ago, as a Royal Canadian Navy Volunteer Reserve
veteran, I fell in love with a James Bay girl, a good friend of
Emily Carr. Her grandparents lived where the Thrifty Foods store
is now located.
Time passed and now I am in my 80s and living across the street
from that store. I can only walk about half a block.
Thanks to the Department of Veterans Affairs, I am a scooter
operator. What a thrill -- it has opened a whole new world to
me.
Regarding safety, the DVA representative and the scooter
supplier's representative set me up with the vehicle and
thoroughly trained me in its idiosyncrasies. I was made aware of
all of its capabilities and the rules of the road and asked to
tour all through the Thrifty Foods store and out onto the
sidewalks for a complete education in this new form of
transportation.
I have toured James Bay, visited the Ogden Point Cafe, done the
whole waterfront and -- something that I had never done -- toured
all of Beacon Hill Park and sat with the rabbits and squirrels
while they watched this strange machine which quietly, and
without pollution, tours their habitat.
I have also gone downtown to a book store, driven right in and
made my purchase. I simply could not walk from a parking area to
do that.
And a very strange thing -- everybody along the sidewalks is so
friendly to me as I carefully pass them. They smile and say
"hello," something you simply do not get in any city while
driving a car. I must admit, it is a little weird.
I can see the day when everyone will use an electric vehicle, be
friendly to passersby and go through the trails of Beacon Hill
Park that they have never seen. I hope so.
Arthur Knight, Victoria. © Times Colonist (Victoria) 2007
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Ed Shows That Leno Is Green Car Lover
Filed under: green and famous, television, transport rebecca @
4:21 pm
Sorry Ed, I didnt catch your show until just the other day. But
Im here to say, that its pretty good. In last weeks Living
with Ed, Ed Begley Jr. goes to visit Jay Lenos garage.
First of all, let me say that the more I learn about Leno, the
more I like the guy. A car addict, this guy isnt just in to
fuel-burning speedsters. Hes got many, many cars, including some
of the first electric and hydrogen and hybrid cars that ever
existed. (Yes, a hybrid from 1916.) And thats exactly what he
showed Ed during his visit last week.
Jay also developed a super-fast, super-green car
to show that
sleek, sexy, and green can all exist in harmony. Hes putting
solar panels on the roof and plans to get the garage in shape to
produce all of the power it needs to survive. Now were talking!
When Jay looked inside Eds EV (electric vehicle) as pictured
above, he said something to the effect of, Its like pulling
down the pants of a Ken doll
theres nothing there! Electric
vehicles have fewer parts, and dont get dirty under the hood
like a regular car would.
Living with Ed is on HGTV, Sundays at 10pm.
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http://www.livingwithed.net/eguide.asp?CID=6&xepisode=Season%20I
Jay and the Big House
Though Rachelle knows Ed loves his eco-friendly home, she longs
to move into a spacious place - or at least one with more closet
space. She tries to warm Ed up to the idea, but he ignores the
subject and focuses on installing more solar lights to the yard.
Ed then goes to speak where few environmentalists go - a car
show. Ed talks to the press - along with SUV and hot rod fans -
about the new Phoenix Motorcars fully Electric S.U.T.
(www.phoenixmotorcars.com). Though Ed loves speaking at
environmental gatherings, he likes to reach the unconverted too.
While Ed is there, he gathers quiet the crowd and happily
explains all the advancements of Phoenix Motorcars and other
electronic vehicles have achieved over the years.
While Ed is out, Rachelle meets with a real estate agent to look
at a much larger house. She gasps at how much space there is in
this typical Hollywood home, and tries to find some - if any -
energy efficient details about it.
Ed leaves the auto show, and heads over in his Phoenix Motorcar
(www.phoenixmotorcars.com). to his old pal Jay Leno's garage. Jay
is known for his rare car collection and love of automobile
engineering. Jay - knowing Ed's interest in the environment -
shows off his cars that run on alternative energy.
Ed marvels over the Owen Magnetic which, as Jay explains, is a
1916 version of a hybrid car that has a gas engine and an
electric motor. The two then go for a ride in a Baker Electric
car that was built in 1909.
Rachelle continues her tour of the dream home, which includes an
ocean view and a pool. The walk-in closets alone are the size of
Rachelle's current bedroom! She's falling in love and tries to
figure out where she can add solar panels to the roof to make the
house more Ed-friendly. In the end, she knows that he won't go
for the idea and decides not to tell Ed about her house
shopping.
Back at the garage, Jay tells Ed that he's adding solar panels to
the roof. He wants to show that you can be environmentally
conscious and still be an auto enthusiast. Ed can't wait to see
Jay go off the grid.
The next day, Ed finds in the recycling bin a flyer for an open
house and a real estate agent's card. He's hurt by Rachelle
secretly seeing other homes, but decides to keep quiet for now.
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January 12, 2007 11:00 AM Eastern Time
Phoenix Motorcars Takes First Fleet Pre-Sales Orders for Its
All-Electric, Sport Utility Truck
Company on Track to Sell 500 Zero-Emission Vehicles in 2007
ONTARIO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Phoenix Motorcars has announced
the receipt of 75 fleet orders from several municipalities and an
utility company for its new zero-emission, all-electric,
freeway-ready sport utility truck. The company, which is on
target to manufacture and sell 500 fleet-ready vehicles by years
end, will produce 16 pilot-build vehicles next month.
Some of the 16 vehicles will be used to continue validation of
the federally mandated safety test process. The company is
working with Boshart Engineering, an Ontario, California company
that specializes in vehicle certification services, to gain its
Federal Motor Vehicle Certification. Boshart has already made
substantial progress towards certifying Phoenixs vehicles, said
Dan Elliott, CEO of Phoenix Motorcars. Boshart has kept to a
very aggressive timetable.
The company also confirmed that in consideration for a three-year
exclusivity agreement within the U.S., Altair Nanotechnologies,
Inc. (NASDAQ:ALTI), a leading supplier of nanomaterials and
high-power battery systems technology, received a 16.6 percent
ownership in the company. The three-year exclusivity agreement
provides Phoenix with limited, exclusive use of Altairnano's
NanoSafe battery packs in four-wheel, all-electric vehicles
having a gross weight up to 6,000 pounds. Phoenix must meet
minimum battery pack purchases, annually, to maintain the limited
exclusivity agreement. The minimum commitment to maintain
exclusivity for 2007 would provide $16 Million in battery pack
sales to Altairnano.
The Phoenix Motorcars sport utility truck can cruise on the
freeway at up to 95 m.p.h. while carrying five passengers and a
full payload, a capability that has caught the attention of fleet
dealers, consumers, Hollywood and the media. It exceeds all
specifications for a Type III ZEV and has a driving range of 130
miles. Its battery can be recharged in less than 10 minutes and
has a life-span of 12 years or more.
Phoenix Motorcars' 2007 market strategy targets operators of
fleet vehicles, such as public utilities, public transportation
providers, and delivery services. This market presents a
significant opportunity as there are more than 200,000 fleet
vehicles in the State of California alone, with an increasing
number of fleet operators now seeking freeway-capable,
zero-emission, all-electric vehicles. A limited number of
vehicles will be available to consumers in 2007 with an
expanded-consumer launch scheduled for 2008. Phoenix Motorcars
will introduce a SUV model in late 2007.
These are full-sized vehicles which carry five people at freeway
speeds, said Elliott. There is tremendous pent-up demand among
fleet buyers for a real zero-emission, all-electric vehicle, and
we are well on our way to satisfying this market demand.
ABOUT PHOENIX MOTORCARS, INC.
Phoenix Motorcars Inc., a privately-held company headquartered in
Ontario, Calif., has been an industry leader in the development
of battery-electric, freeway-speed vehicles since 2001. The
mission of Phoenix Motorcars is to manufacture zero-emission
vehicles including Sport Utility Trucks and Sport Utility
Vehicles to reduce the toxic emissions from the largest
contributor to air pollution, personal automobiles. For
additional information, visit www.phoenixmotorcars.com.
For photos, background information or fact sheets, visit the
Phoenix Motorcars Media Room.
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http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070117/law006.html?.v=72
UQM Technologies Receives $9.25 Million Production Order From
Phoenix Motorcars, Inc. Wednesday January 17, 8:30 am ET
FREDERICK, Colo., Jan. 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- UQM
TECHNOLOGIES, INC. a developer of alternative energy
technologies, announced today that it has received a $9.25
million production order from Phoenix Motorcars, Inc. for UQM®
electric propulsion systems to power Phoenix's newly introduced
all electric powered Sport Utility Truck (SUT). The order also
includes an onboard UQM® DC-to-DC converter to power the vehicle
instrumentation.
Deliveries under the order are tentatively scheduled over the
next year. This order raises the Company's current product
production backlog to approximately $14 million.
The Phoenix all electric SUT is powered by a 100 kW UQM® electric
propulsion system which produces over 400 ft-lbs of torque,
accelerates the vehicle from 0 to 60 miles per hour in less than
10 seconds, has a top speed of 100 miles per hour and operates at
peak system efficiencies of over 94%. The vehicle's 35kWh
NanoSafe(TM) battery pack supplied by Altair Nanotechnologies,
Inc. (Nasdaq: ALTI - News) can be recharged in less than 10
minutes using Altair's proprietary technology and provides safe
power and energy for the vehicle. In a typical fleet duty cycle
the vehicle will travel up to 135 miles between charges. The
vehicle is expected to qualify as a Type III ZEV in California.
Phoenix Motorcars' market strategy targets operators of fleet
vehicles, such as public utilities, public transportation
providers, and delivery services. This market presents a
significant opportunity as there are more than 200,000 fleet
vehicles in the State of California alone, with an increasing
number of fleet operators now seeking freeway-capable, zero
emission, all electric vehicles.
"The performance characteristics of the UQM® propulsion system,
including its industry leading torque delivery and energy
efficiency, adds substantially to the value proposition of our
SUT," said Daniel J. Elliott, President and Chief Executive
Officer of Phoenix Motorcars, Inc. "The performance capability of
the propulsion system is a significant factor in the driving
experience and vehicle utility for our customers and we are
pleased to be partnered with a leader in electric propulsion
technology and related vehicle electronic products."
"We are pleased that Phoenix has selected our company as their
strategic partner to supply propulsion systems for their electric
SUT production program," said William G. Rankin, UQM
Technologies, Inc. President and Chief Executive Officer. "This
order represents a major milestone in the commercialization of
our technology in the on-highway electric vehicle market and we
are looking forward to supporting and participating in Phoenix's
growth and success."
Phoenix Motorcars, headquartered in Ontario, California, has been
an industry leader in the development of battery electric freeway
speed vehicles since 2001. The mission of Phoenix Motorcars is to
manufacture zero emission vehicles to reduce the toxic emissions
of the largest contributor to air pollution, personal
automobiles. For additional information on the Company, please
visit its worldwide website at www.phoenixmotorcars.com.
UQM Technologies, Inc. is a developer and manufacturer of power
dense, high efficiency electric motors, generators and power
electronic controllers for the automotive, aerospace, medical,
military and industrial markets. A major emphasis of the Company
is developing products for the alternative energy technologies
sector including propulsion systems for electric, hybrid electric
and fuel cell electric vehicles, under-the-hood power accessories
and other vehicle auxiliaries and distributed power generation
applications. The Company's headquarters, engineering and product
development center, and motor manufacturing operation are located
in Frederick, Colorado. For more information on the Company,
please visit its worldwide website at www.uqm.com.
This press release contains statements that constitute
"forward-looking statements"
[...]
Source: UQM Technologies, Inc.
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Green Beat: Another Chinese Electric Car Promised
Date posted: 01-17-2007
Importer Miles Automotive says it will bring a "breakthrough"
electric vehicle to the U.S. from China by late 2008. Its current
product, the Miles ZX40 (pictured),
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offers an underwhelming 40-mile range and a top speed of 25 mph.
(Photo courtesy of Miles Automotive)
LAS VEGAS At the National Auto Dealers Association convention
here in February, California-based importer Miles Automotive
expects to unveil a prototype of its latest Chinese electric
car.
Dubbed XS500, the company says its "high speed" vehicle will
employ "breakthrough technology" namely, a lithium-ion battery
pack which it says will enable a speed of up to 80 miles per
hour and a range of more than 150 miles. The range, incidentally,
has shrunk by 25 percent since last year, when the company
promised 200 miles.
The XS500, according to the company's literature, will go on sale
in late 2008, priced from around $30,000. It will be joined by a
companion model, the XM200, about which there are scant details.
In fact, Miles Automotive has been quietly importing subcompacts
from China for more than a year. The company's principal product
is a tiny hatchback derived from the old Daihatsu Move,
resuscitated in China by state-owned FAW and rebadged as the
Happy Messenger.
The car, marketed in the U.S. as the Miles ZX40, is refitted with
an electric motor and batteries. It is priced from around
$15,000. The ZX40 has a modest top speed of 25 mph and a range of
only 40 miles.
What this means to you: The price tags on the Miles vehicles seem
exorbitant, given their vintage and capabilities.
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Lodi utility shines light on electric vehicles
It leases 3 and will present film about technology
By Jeff Hood January 13, 2007 Lodi Bureau Chief
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LODI - Cars capable of getting more than 100 miles per gallon -
or don't even need gasoline - are not a fantasy. The evidence was
unveiled this week at the Detroit Auto Show with the Chevrolet
Volt, and other evidence has been parked at Lodi's electric
utility for the past 51/2 years.
The utility has three battery-powered Toyota RAV4s parked beneath
solar charging panels at its headquarters. Employees use the cars
on their routes to read electric meters or attend to other
utility business.
"We're using the sun as a fuel source," said Rob Lechner, manager
of customer service and programs for the Lodi utility. "These
cars charge up in an hour to hour and a half, and we've
guesstimated they'll go about 100 miles on a charge. They've been
very reliable."
Utility director George Morrow said his department, which is
leasing the cars, was rebuffed when it tried to buy the cars from
Toyota last year. As shown in the feature-length documentary "Who
Killed the Electric Car?" electric RAV4s are typically crushed
and shredded when their leases expire.
The utility hopes to boost the public's awareness of
alternative-fuel cars at 6 p.m. Jan 22 by showing "Who Killed the
Electric Car?" at Hutchins Street Square. Former General Motors
electric vehicle saleswoman Chelsea Sexton, featured prominently
in the movie, will make some brief remarks before the movie and
will be available for a question-and-answer session afterward.
There is no charge for admission.
Sexton, who sold many of 1,117 EV1s General Motors made until she
was laid off in 2001, is now executive director of Plug-In
America, which promotes electric-powered cars.
"We're just hoping to keep the technology in the forefront of the
consumer's mind," Morrow said as the utility's reason for showing
the film.
The film chronicles how automakers responded to California's
zero-emission mandate by coming up with vehicles such as the EV1
and RAV4-EV, then how they successfully fought to have the rules
suspended. General Motors confiscated customers' EV1s after their
leases expired and destroyed them at a company property in
Arizona.
RAV4-EV owner Alexandra Paul, an actress who appeared in "Who
Killed the Electric Car?" because of her role as an
electric-vehicle activist, said Toyota has sold only 338 of its
1,500 electric RAV4s.
She said people who see "Who Killed the Electric Car?" want to
know where they can buy one and why they didn't learn about them
sooner.
"The film's been incredible for the awareness it's produced,"
Paul, an electric-car driver since 1990, said from her Los
Angeles home. "I was so amazed by the positive reaction."
Lodi's RAV4s don't look any different from gas-powered models,
except for decals advertising them as electric vehicles and a
port in the front for a charging plug.
Beneath the hood, there's dust and a few cobwebs but no sticky
oil or grime.
Outside of inspecting a few parts on a regular basis, the only
item requiring replacement on the RAV4-EV, according to its
maintenance booklet, is the coolant for a small radiator every
two years.
Lechner said the batteries have not needed replacing since Lodi
began leasing the vehicles in 2001.
"These RAV4s have a reputation of going over 150,000 miles," Paul
said. "The cars are extremely reliable because they only have one
moving part, while gas engines have many moving parts."
Emissions created by power plants to make electricity for plug-in
cars are less than what comes from the tailpipe of a gas-powered
vehicle, Paul said.
Each family or resident attending the movie Jan. 22 will receive
a compact fluorescent lamp and will be entered into a drawing for
one of five copies of "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
Contact Lodi Bureau Chief Jeff Hood at (209) 367-7427 or
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