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On Fri, Feb 15, 2013, at 03:20 PM, James Massey wrote:
> At 05:46 AM 16/02/2013, you wrote:
> >Pretty sure the laws of physics apply as well in the UK as in the US.
> >
> >If you charge a battery using an alternator driven by the battery you're
> >charging you'll just waste an extra 25% of your energy.
> >
> >You don't get power for free.
>
> Since the original message has yet to hit the EVDL, from the Nabble
> archive:
> >[what if I sourced a front wheel drive (UK) ford focus, removed the
> piston engine, fitted a 72v forklift motor and 6 x 12v batteries with
> a controller, to aid range i thought about fitting a live rear axle
> and power a big 12v alternator off that charging each 12v battery via
> 6 feeds through power diodes (for 1 way flow), the alternator would
> be topping up the batteries at any time the car was moving, when not
> moving the drive motor wouldnt be consuming power.... ]<
>
> This is a basic "newbie" misunderstanding about how this electrickery
> works, and is OK to repeat the explanation now and then, as this is
> what the EVDL is here for.
>
> This is a basic, very non-technical explanation that mis-uses
> electrical units to explain the concept, so:
>
> An electric vehicle is very efficient, about 80% of the energy
> available from the batteries should make it into pushing the vehicle
> down the road. Any added inefficiencies or loads reduces range.
> The original poster asks what happens when an alternator is added to
> the non-driven wheels. Unfortunately any generated energy looses
> 20-40% (or more) before it gets into the batteries, and another 20%
> before getting back to the wheels.
> So you have a vehicle that for example needs 100 amps to hold a
> steady speed on a test road. Adding an alternator to give 20 amps
> back into the battery requires the equivalent of say around 25 amps
> of mechanical energy (being generous about the efficiency) and that
> has to come from somewhere, unfortunately that somewhere is the drive
> motor, which now has to deliver the extra power equivalent to that 25
> amps - but it is only 80% efficient, so now the drive motor needs to
> pull an extra 30 amps or more, so over 130 amps to maintain speed.
> Your system is putting back 20 amps, so a nett loss of 10 amps and
> reduced range is the result.
>
> However, if you are in hilly country, or in "pushy" stop-and-go
> traffic, where you are on and off the throttle all the time, adding
> such a system can make sense - but you only turn it on when you start
> to brake, so all the power that you get back would be otherwise
> wasted as brake heat. This is regenerative braking, and is used in
> all AC-motor drive systems (that I know of) and a few DC (harder to
> do with DC).
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards
>
> [Technik] James
>
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