Hi Bruce, Yes, this is at HP Boise. Luckily, the designated EV parking spots are kind of outside the normal parking areas, so space is not an issue. The spots are actually on the edge of the parking lot for shipping / receiving. We are pretty sure we could get 5-6 vehicles parked around the 3 outlets without too much trouble.
We have talked to facilities about simply pulling more circuits and making the 3 dual outlets (on 3 circuits) so that they are 6 outlets on 6 circuits. HP has a pilot program underway in the Bay Area for EV charging. Based on that, we will see what Corporate wants to do. Until then, we are kind of in a holding pattern. However, everybody can make it home on the charge they can get in 1/2 day, so that is working for now. I probably live the farthest away (23 miles, one way), but I also charge the most aggressively on the 20A circuits. My del Sol gets about 4 miles per kWh and charges at 15A, so I get about 6 miles of range per hour of charging. With a 50 mile range, I really only need 2-3 hours charging to get safely home with any errands I might do. We will see what will happens when HP finishes its pilot. I didn't realize Dennis Dillon still had so many Leafs in inventory. A friend just bought the 3rd Leaf on site and reported they had 4-5 left. Obviously, a few more than that. They have been moving them, because I have been seeing them on the road. Good progress. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Bruce EVangel Parmenter > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2013 7:09 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Growing EV Adoption in Boise > > Your work is still at the Hewlett-Packard in Boise, right? > I was out at that site many years ago and I am sure it has changed significantly > since then. > But the biggest hurdle I had to hp and agilent (no longer part of hp) sites that > had employees wanting to plug in, was allocating designated spaces. > Supplying power were never an issue at the California sites. > > In looking at what public EVSE there is using > http://www.afdc.energy.gov/locator/stations/results?utf8=%E2%9C%93&loc > ation=Boise%2C+ID&filtered=true&fuel=ELEC&owner=all&payment=all&ev_ > level2=true&radius=true&radius_miles=50 > > There seems to be mainly level-1 5-20 outlets. So, perhaps your site is more > frugal with their power than what I experienced (way in the past, I am a > former 25 year hp employee). > > I would expect that EV drivers be employees at work for at least 8 hours a > day. Level-1 is fine for that, and all plugins usually carry their L1 EVSE with > them. > > So, if increasing the number of dedicated EV spots is not a problem, then > routing level-1 to them should be straight forward. If there is room to expand > at the current locations but not enough power, it is simple to change a 5-20 > duplex outlet to have a breaker for each outlet. > That would double the capability, but you would have to have the second > plugin near by. > > If expansion of spaces is not possible, then you could ask for spaces that are > least-used out-back. Charging only 4 hours of the day at L1 (at ~4.5miles for > every hour of charge) would only give you (4hours * > ~4.5miles=) about 18 miles. Those that need more than 18 miles would use > the back-40 EV spots where they could be plugged in the entire shift. > And you would not have to jockey around half way through the day. > > If even designating spaces in the back-40 parking spaces is not going to > happen, then a way around that is to ask that a 5-20 duplex outlet be > installed every 30 feet along a least use part of the parking lot even though > the spaces are not signed or painted. Then plugin drivers could park in that > area and still reach an outlet using an extension cord. > > These duplex outlets would also have the aforementioned two breaker set > up to handle two plugins http://fam- > oud.nl/~plugsocket/US/DualVoltage_20A_scheme.jpg > Since they are outside they should be enclosed in a weather tight enclosure > http://brucedp11.150m.com/evse11/ev-charging-level1-outdoor-ca-pa- > creekside-inn-20110422-004-m.jpg > > Instead of asking the company to pay for the expensive outside EVSE, you > could change the existing EV spots over to use a combo outlet > http://i21.geccdn.net/site/images/n-picgroup/78082.jpg > and the driver could then choose to use either L1 5-20 or L2 3kW 6-20 power. > > Using these types of outlet is fairly common and easy work for electricians to > install. If the wiring run from the power panel is short you can get away with > 12 gauge wire on the L1 outlet as the most that will be drawn is 12A by > Production plugin's L1 EVSE. But there are evseupgrade.com units that can > draw 16A http://evseupgrade.com/?main_page=products_all > so I would ask that any aforementioned L2 3kW 6-20 outlets use 10 gauge > wire. To minimize issues, I asked that 10 gauge be used at the hp Cupertino, > Sunnyvale, Mayfield, and Evelyn sites (hp has since sold-off/let-go the last > three sites). > > > Interestingly, that Nissan Dealership you mentioned, Dennis Dillon Nissan, > has several Leaf EVs in stock http://www.dennisdillonnissan.com/new- > inventory/index.htm?SByear=clear&SBmake=Nissan&SBmodel=LEAF&SBbo > dystyle=clear&SBprice=clear&sortBy=internetprice%20asc%2Cmake%2Cmod > el%2Ctrimlevel%2Cyear%20desc > > as well as offering a free charge > http://www.afdc.energy.gov/locator/stations/places/46791 > And if anyone else need a L2 charge they can try > http://carstations.com/29942 > > > {brucedp.150m.com} > > > > > - > On Tue, Aug 6, 2013, at 04:13 PM, Mike Nickerson wrote: > > I wouldn't usually describe Boise, ID as the center of electric > > vehicles, but things are looking up here. A little more than a year > > ago, the Nissan > > dealership had one Leaf that they had received and were showing. For > > the > > past few years, our work site had two home-built conversions, one > > Solectria Force and an electric motorcycle. We have 3 120V/20A > > outlets designated and posted for charging EVs. > > > > Today, that same Nissan dealership now has several Leafs that are > > quickly selling out. We just got our third Leaf showing up at the > > chargers at work. > > We also have a couple of Volts around in the parking lot. In > > addition, I've seen 3 different Leafs while out driving in the city. > > > > Since we live in a state that doesn't set any quotas, we won't likely > > see any compliance cars, but Nissan seems to be trying to sell cars > > and being successful at it. > > > > We've moved to morning / afternoon sharing on the charging outlets and > > started discussions with site management on increasing charger > > opportunities. Also, discussing whether we can get any L2 charging > > for vehicles like the Leaf that could use it. > > > > Even here, EVs are slowly coming in and the people that are driving > > them are really enjoying them. Interestingly, the discussions about > > why people are getting them are starting to be as much about fuel > > savings as environmental. > > (Gas is $3.89/gal and rising here). With our local power being 54% > > renewable, there is a pretty good environmental message too. > - > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - The professional email service > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
