With all due respect, I think this is premature. I know the proposal sounds very good. The main issue I see is: what is the purpose of having fast charging every 50 miles?
Really? Except for the Tesla, most EVs have a range of 50-100 miles per charge. At 70mph that's probably at best about an hour's drive before recharging. So, if you plan to travel several hundred miles, plan on stopping every 45-60 minutes and spend another 20-30 charging. Be my guest :) So that leaves people making 50-100 mile trips. In this case, I question whether 50 miles is the right spacing. Let's say you need to go 35 miles each way and you start with a full charge. Also, the closest charge point along your route is about 40 miles out. Now, if you want to use it, you'll need to go 10 miles out of your way plus spend an additional 20-30 minutes. Again, be my guest. Third, when we do have more vehicles that can achieve 300 mile range on a charge, the current L3 will be woefully inadequate. An interesting study would be to find out who is using the existing L3 charge points along I5 in Wash. and Ore. So, please remind me, why do we want to garner support for a national quick-charge network at this time? (I will add that closer spacing might work. I occasionally take the Leaf from Seattle to Tacoma (about 35 miles each way). There's a L3 just before reaching Tacoma. I can stop there on the way back, top off the charge in 10 minutes, and continue home. That works pretty well.) Peri Hartman -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of brucedp5 Sent: 11 August, 2013 3:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: Drivers petition for national L3 quick-charging infrastructure % Please sign the White-House petition (URL below), deadline 8/22 % http://cars.chicagotribune.com/fuel-efficient/news/chi-plugin-car-fastchargi ng-infrastructure-20130805 Plug-in car owners petition for fast-charging infrastructure By Robert Duffer Aug. 5, 2013 [image http://www.trbimg.com/img-4fe484b4/turbine/chi-electric-car-charging-station -at-midway-20120622/620 Midway Airport features electric charging stations in its cell phone lot. 280 public chargers are being installed in Illinois. ((Michael Tercha/Chicago Tribune)) ] A new petition for plug-in vehicles aims to quick-charge support for a national quick-charging infrastructure sponsored by the government. The petition created on the White House website contends that fast-charging stations need to be placed at 50-mile intervals along the U.S. interstate highway system to facilitate mass adoption of plug-in vehicles. Ryan Mackenzie, a 29-year-old self-described EV enthusiast from San Antonio, has attracted 402 signatures in 10 days. Successful petitions are forwarded to policy experts for an official response. The push for an electric-charging infrastructure already has the support of the U.S. Department of Energy, automakers, engineers, plug-in vehicle enthusiasts and electric vehicles equipment suppliers. In July we reported on the Interoperability Center launched at Argonne National Laboratory to harmonize standards across the auto world to facilitate the mass adoption of plug-in vehicles. A key component of that is a fast-charging infrastructure powered by a smart power grid. Consumers need to be assured that they can get to their destination without inconvenience or worry, also known as range anxiety, and the infrastructure supplied will be compatible with their vehicles. The DOE has pumped $4.5 billion, matched by the auto industry, into reducing these anxieties. The vast majority of plug-in vehicle owners do their charging at home with a Level 1 or Level 2 AC charger. A fast-charger, or DC charger, can recharge a plug-in to 80 percent in 20 minutes. Not only is it hours faster than a Level 2 charge, it's also more like the current gas station infrastructure we're used to. It's hard to estimate how many public chargers have been installed three years into the age of the plug-in vehicle 2.0. In Illinois, Gov. Pat Quinn's ambition for the state to be the nation's largest network of fast-chargers got temporarily unplugged as the service provided floundered and its replacement has been mired in litigation. Some 280 Level 2 chargers are planned, with more than half completed, and 73 fast-charging stations are slated for the state's roadways. It's only a matter of time. Over 110,000 plug-in vehicles have been sold thus far. Mackenzie feels the urgency to create the infrastructure to support the growing number of plug-in drviers. The petition needs 100,000 signatures by August 22, 2013 for the Obama administration to respond to him. There are only 389. [C chicagotribune.com] http://www.plugincars.com/rapid-chargers-every-50-miles-white-house-petition -127930.html Petition Asks the Impossible: EV Quick Chargers Every 50 Miles August 07, 2013 - About 95 percent of all daily trips can be made in electric cars like the Nissan LEAF or Mitsubishi i-without a need for a Quick Charger ... https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-fast-charging-network-wide- scale-adoption-electric-vehicles/zf0nNH7b we petition the obama administration to: Create Fast Charging Network for Wide Scale Adoption of Electric Vehicles Fast charging stations should be installed every 50 miles across the United States Interstate Highway System. These chargers will allow electric vehicles such as the Chevrolet Spark, Nissan Leaf and other vehicles to be recharged to 80% capacity in 20 to 30 minutes. This will allow drivers of electric vehicles the freedom to travel throughout the entire US without fear that they may run out of power. There are huge societal benefits from switching to electric vehicles including reduced pollution, noise and dependence on foreign oil. ... http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=13731 National charge network ... http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023394615 White House Petition : Create Fast Charging Network for Wide Scale Adoption of Electric Vehicles For all EVLN posts use: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlSe rvlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=evln&sort=date Here are today's archive-only EV posts: EVLN: Lucky Escape After Car Door Opens On Electric-Cyclist (video) EVent: Santa Cruz EV Readiness Workshop @Ecology Action 6-7:30p 8/15 EVLN: EV charging power showdown EVLN: Study reveals benefits of Beijing's Electric taxi fleet EVLN: Tecumseh's Unconquered-Sun pushes for EVs with PVs + EVLN: The Electric Grid Easily Handles Lots of EVs {brucedp.150m.com} -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Drivers-pe tition-for-national-L3-quick-charging-infrastructure-tp4664693.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
