I did not have a reed relay when I was doing a similar test, so in order
to measure the time with the analog clock, I powered the clock from the
battery under test using a series connection of around 100 Ohms resistor
and 3 diodes in series to get about 1.8V for the clock. Connect this to
the load resistor to measure discharge time.
I had to put a large enough Electrolytic capacitor across the clock
power to supply the peak current of the mechanism to move the hands of
the clock.

Cor van de Water
Chief Scientist
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Lee Hart
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 10:33 AM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Storing / charging LiFePO4

Michael Ross wrote:
> Freakish, eh?  How much does the state of charge change with a
variation of
> 0.05V on a LiFePO4 cell?

As many have observed, the no-load voltage of LiFe cells barely changes 
at all from 20% to 80% state of charge. Voltage is worthless as a way to

gauge state of charge in this range. You'll measure about 3.31v no 
matter what the cell's state of charge or condition. The differences are

as likely to be caused by brand, model, age, batch number, temperature, 
etc. as they are by state of charge.

> Voltage is just a crapulous way to measure SOC on LiFePO4 cells.

That's a great word for it! :-)

Here's my advice on storing LiFe cells: When they arrive, you really 
don't know if they are good or weak or bad, and you don't know their 
state of charge. Voltage alone is worthless. *Nobody* has ever tested 
them, including the factory (they ship *everything* to someone, good or 
bad). Like they say in poker, if you don't know who the patsy is, then 
*you* are the patsy.

If you're lucky, the vendor may have shipped 100% good cells, all at the

same state of charge, and all with the same self-discharge rate. Since 
good cells have a low self-discharge rate, such cells can indeed just be

sat in the corner for a year or more.

However, this has never happened to me. I have *always* found large 
variations in the initial state of charge (even though the cell voltages

are the same), and there have always been weak or defective cells in the

batch.

So, it is only prudent to test them. You don't need expensive equipment;

it only requires time. If the cells are going to be stored for a while, 
then you have lots of time.

You're only going to spend about 5 minutes per cell. The rest of the 
time is just waiting for it to discharge, and then waiting for it to 
recharge. You just check and write down the results at the beginning and

end.

Equipment:

  - An adjustable regulated power supply that you can set for 3.6v.
    Anything from 1 to 10 amps will be fine. Get one with meters
    that show volts and amps. There are thousands of these on eBay
    for $50 and less.

    I prefer to get an older used name-brand one than a new junky
    one. It will be more accurate, last longer, and you'll find
    *lots* of uses once you have it.

  - A load "resistor", which can be anything that draws 1-10 amps
    at 3.3 volts. I like light bulbs, because they draw a roughly
    constant current -- a couple 12v car headlights are fine. They
    barely light at 3.3v, but that makes no difference.

    Use your power supply to power your load resistor, and write
    down the current it draws. This will be your "discharge" current.

  - A SPDT relay, with contacts that can switch the load and charger
    current, and a coil that drops out at about 2.5v (the desired
    end-of-discharge voltage).

    A common 12v automotive relay will work. Use your adjustable
    power supply to test its pull-on and drop-out voltages. It will
    probably pull in at 6v-9v, and drop out at 1v-2v. Add cheap
    common diodes (1N4001 etc.) in series with the coil to raise
    its dropout voltage (0.6v per diode) to get to 2.5v.

  - A timer. The cheapest and easiest is an analog clock (the kind
    with hands) that's powered with a single 1.5v AA cell.

  - A reed switch. It's a little glass tube with a wire on each end.
    They are sold at Radio Shack, and any burglar alarm sales and
    service store. This is the thing you attach to a door or window,
    with a magnet on the moving half. When a magnet (or magnetic field)
    is near, the switch closes. When there is no magnetic field, the
    switch opens.

Wiring:

  - Connect the cell positive to the relay's common contact.
  - Connect the normally-closed relay contact to power supply positive.
  - Connect the normally-open relay contact to the load resistor.
  - Connect the negative of the power supply, load resistor, and cell
        all together.
  - Connect the coil (and however many diodes you need to reach 2.5v)
        across the load resistor.
  - Connect the reed switch in series with the AA cell in the clock.
        For example, remove the AA cell, and tape one wire from
        the reed switch to the AA cell's positive end. Hold the
        other wire from the reed switch against the positive contact
        in the clock's battery holder. Now insert the AA cell.
        The tape on its positive end should hold the wires in place,
        but keep them from shorting to each other. Test to see that
        the clock only runs when a magnet is held on the reed switch.
  - Wrap one of the wires to your load resistor around the reed switch
        a couple times. This creates a magnetic field when current
        is flowing to the load, and so starts the clock.

Operation:

  - Set the power supply for 3.6v (or whatever you want your "fully
    charged" voltage to be). The cell will charge at as much current
    as the power supply can provide. Any value is safe for the cell.
    (It's the power supply that may have trouble        providing its
maximum
    current for many hours -- a cheap one may burn out!)

  - Let the cell charge until the current falls to less than 1% of the
    cell's amphour capacity (i.e. under 1a for a 100ah cell, or 0.1a
    for a 10ah cell, etc.) This is not critical, and may take a day or
    more. For example, a 2 amp power supply will take 50 hours to fully
    charge a dead 100ah cell! So keep checking back once or twice a day,
    looking for a current under 1%.

  - When the cell is fully charged, manually push the relay contact
    closed with your finger. If you can't see the contact (i.e. the
    relay case has a cover), either remove the cover, or momentarily
    touch a 9v transistor radio battery across its coil to make it
    pull in.

  - When it pulls in, the relay
        a) disconnects the power supply (i.e. stops charging).
        b) powers its own coil, so it *stays* pulled in.
        c) connects the load.
        d) starts the clock.

  - Set the clock's hands to noon. The clock will run as long as
    the relay is pulled in and the load is being powered. Thus, it
    will show the elapsed time.

  - Check on it at least once every 12 hours. If it is off, write
    down the elapsed time. The cell's amphour capacity is the elapsed
    time multiplied by the load current. For example: Your load draws
    3 amps. The clock started at noon and stopped at 10:00 (10 hours).
    Then the cell delivered 3a x 10h = 30 amphours.

    If the clock is still running when you check, write down the
    elapsed time so far, and set the clock back to noon. With a big
    cell and a small load current, it could take more than 12 hours
    to fully discharge it. For example, it takes 3a x 20 hours to
    discharge a 60ah cell. So you might check and reset the clock
    3 times (reset to noon at 11 hours, then found it off with 9
    more hours when you came back in another 10 hours). So the cell
    is 3a x (11h + 9h) = 60ah.

This setup automatically turns off the load before the cell gets too 
deeply discharged, so it prevents damage if you forget to check it.

It also automatically recharges the cell after a discharge test, and 
won't hurt the cell if you forget and leave it on too long (3.6v won't 
hurt a LiFe cell even if left for days).

It's slow, but cheap! And in the end, you'll know what you really have, 
instead of having to rely on the claims of battery salesmen.

> A public-opinion poll is no substitute for thought. *Warren Buffet*

I like this quote. :-)

-- 
Scientists investigate that which already is. Engineers create that
which has never been. -- Albert Einstein
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